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Re: Diesel trains at Woking to soon be replaced by electrics?
In "South Western services" [377733/32312/42]
Posted by bradshaw at 08:35, 3rd August 2026
 

Class 158/9 fleet starting C6 overhaul which suggests they will be around for many years yet

Our engineering teams at Bournemouth Depot have begun a major overhaul of our Class 158 and 159 diesel fleet, which run on the parts of our network which aren’t electrified such as the West of England line and on the Romsey Rounder services.

The work, known as a C6, involves overhauling all the customer facing elements of the train, with the entire interior stripped out and either refurbished or replaced if needed. Apart from a few components such as air conditioning, CET/toilet tanks, and door valves, all the work is being carried out by the Bournemouth depot team.

During the works the team will be the removing and repainting interior panelling, refitting windows with new rubber seals and replacing any damaged windows, fitting new seat covers, installing new flooring, including Axminster carpets, and overhauling the toilets, including inspection for corrosion. The exterior of the train will also be repainted by the team, including a lighter roof colour to deflect heat in the summer and improve the reliability of the air conditioning system.

The fleet last had an overhaul in 2015, and this programme of works is expected to last until 2030, with each train taking up to six weeks to be completed.
https://careers.southwesternrailway.com/blogs/SWR-Blog/diesel-fleet-overhaul-begins

Re: Diesel trains at Woking to soon be replaced by electrics?
In "South Western services" [377732/32312/42]
Posted by bradshaw at 08:18, 3rd August 2026
 
The SWR Class 158 and 159 are just starting a C6 overhaul at Bournemouth, each unit will take six weeke to turn around. This suggest that they will be around for some considerable time yet

Our engineering teams at Bournemouth Depot have begun a major overhaul of our Class 158 and 159 diesel fleet, which run on the parts of our network which aren’t electrified such as the West of England line and on the Romsey Rounder services.

The work, known as a C6, involves overhauling all the customer facing elements of the train, with the entire interior stripped out and either refurbished or replaced if needed. Apart from a few components such as air conditioning, CET/toilet tanks, and door valves, all the work is being carried out by the Bournemouth depot team.

During the works the team will be the removing and repainting interior panelling, refitting windows with new rubber seals and replacing any damaged windows, fitting new seat covers, installing new flooring, including Axminster carpets, and overhauling the toilets, including inspection for corrosion. The exterior of the train will also be repainted by the team, including a lighter roof colour to deflect heat in the summer and improve the reliability of the air conditioning system.

https://careers.southwesternrailway.com/blogs/SWR-Blog/diesel-fleet-overhaul-

Re: East West Rail Timetable
In "Chiltern Railways services" [377731/29004/44]
Posted by Electric train at 07:24, 3rd August 2026
 
I'm informed that these additional staff are NOT safety-critical (I thought they were?) and Bletchley-MKC is not DOO compliant, which I did know.

Bletchley (EWR platform) would be DOO, I would be surprised if it is not.

MKC there are platform dispatch staff already so I suspect there is no need for DOO as the platform staff will give the "CD" and depart indications to the Driver

Re: West Midlands boaters race against clock as drained canals close - August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377730/32315/51]
Posted by Electric train at 07:16, 3rd August 2026
 
On the River Thames the Environment Agency have placed some restrictions -
Dry Weather and Low Flow Restrictions -
St Johns Lock to Osney Lock: Restricted to one upstream and one downstream movement every 30 minutes, with overnight lock closures from 6:00 PM to 9:30 AM starting July 25 until further notice.
Goring Lock to Culham Lock: Prolonged dry weather restrictions took effect on Monday, August 3, with specific timing rules listed on local notices.
Penton Hook Lock to Shepperton Lock: Dry weather restrictions also began on Monday, August 3.

A friend of mine who is a lockkeeper said they have been asked to ensure within a reasonable wait that Locks are full of boats before operating the Lock, so if you are boating on the Thames you may be sitting waiting a Locks longer than usual

Re: Diesel trains at Woking to soon be replaced by electrics?
In "South Western services" [377729/32312/42]
Posted by Electric train at 07:03, 3rd August 2026
 
From Will Foster, MP for Woking

South Western Railway’s diesel trains will soon be replaced by electric trains.

With cancellations and delays already a big issue on the network serving #Woking, I’ve asked the Government to ensure that the rollout of new trains don’t add to the problem.

Has he heard something we have not?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2539177199864931

The way I heard the question by Will Foster MP was "when" and not soon. 

While I was still working a year ago I was involved in traction power supply discussions as part of the plans being prepared by GBR to replace the 1990's / early 2000's passenger rolling stock both diesel and electric with units with battery power.  For non electrified areas the GWR technology is an option along with "gap" electrification (this is an area, of a few miles to charge the batteries on the move and some sidings, platforms, electrified).   

My guess is from Will Foster MP question is that he is raising concerns over outline timetable changes possibly being floated by DfT following the introduction of new rolling stock or leading up to the introduction

Re: [otd] 8th August (1898) - opening of the Waterloo and City line
In "Transport for London" [377728/32307/46]
Posted by grahame at 06:44, 3rd August 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_%26_City_line

Thank you ... to confirm that first public trains date from that article:

The Waterloo and City Railway opened to the public at 8 a.m. on Monday 8 August 1898, with a train leaving each terminal simultaneously. The fares were 2d one class only, payable at a turnstile, but returns and season tickets, and add-ons to surface tickets were available. From 1900, the turnstiles were removed and conductors travelled on the trains, carrying Bell Punch ticket machines.

Re: Looking and learning - but where?
In "The Lighter Side" [377727/32306/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:31, 3rd August 2026
 
Well, we now know where you were yesterday because you told us - Chemnitz!

Yeah - the train->tram story was too good not to post, and experiences are coming so thick and fast that if I don't write them up quickly, I fear I never will.

The day also saw me catching trains at Hof, Zwickau, Schwarzenberg and Aue

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377726/31359/18]
Posted by Trowres at 23:00, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
Perhaps "congestion" was passengers at Bath Spa and they needed an extra train from there to Bristol?

I considered that. Not impossible, although there were no obvious rail-related causes such as cancellations or short-forms at Bath in the relevant time period.

Re: Diesel trains at Woking to soon be replaced by electrics?
In "South Western services" [377725/32312/42]
Posted by eightonedee at 21:53, 2nd August 2026
 
That's a different answer to a different question.

Clearly, the training he's been given about how to answer a question when he's no idea has worked....

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377724/32295/51]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 21:47, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Chris from Nailsea
 
For equally obscure reasons, some 50 years ago a fellow pupil and I needed to take a rolled-up carpet to school.  It fitted nicely along a row of 6 seats in a compartment in a dmu. One of us at each end, quickly onto the train at Denham before the guard spotted us, a couple of friends helping block the view, then out at High Wycombe carrying it low down and waving our season tickets high up to divert attention. Process reversed some days later.  Mission accomplished.

Re: [otd] 8th August (1898) - opening of the Waterloo and City line
In "Transport for London" [377723/32307/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:15, 2nd August 2026
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_%26_City_line

Re: Okehampton
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377722/18334/24]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:58, 2nd August 2026
 
I've noted on some of the videos that were recorded that the platform information signs were still indicating no services on opening day.

That's because "opening day" was Friday - and there were no public services - they started on Saturday. One or two videographers were invited on Friday.

Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377721/32313/34]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:00, 2nd August 2026
 
Indeed he is. But he's still responsible for ordering & specifying the IET....

Re: Looking and learning - but where?
In "The Lighter Side" [377720/32306/30]
Posted by stuving at 19:45, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
Well, we now know where you were yesterday because you told us - Chemnitz!

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377719/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:00, 2nd August 2026
 
Congestion

Hmm...

The only thing I can see that might be termed "congestion" is that trains between Paddington and South Wales are running via Chippenham today (and are also a bit off booked times due to yesterday's fire west of Newport).


Perhaps "congestion" was passengers at Bath Spa and they needed an extra train from there to Bristol?

Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377718/32313/34]
Posted by grahame at 18:22, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
It should be a very interesting evening.  I have met Peter a number of times - both during and after his time with the Department for Transport; he was always very professional, and since his DfT days my respect for him has grown further.

Re: Lineside fire 01/08/2026
In "London to South Wales" [377717/32309/11]
Posted by Trowres at 17:39, 2nd August 2026
 
Yes, the GWR info on Journeycheck was clear and a fair representation of the plan being followed.

TfW have abandoned Journeycheck; their website gave the following on Sunday afternoon (2/8/26):
Update: Incident due to a fire next to the track between Newport (South Wales) (NWP) and Cardiff Central (CDF) until 20:00.

Due to a fire next to the track between Newport (South Wales) (NWP) and Cardiff Central (CDF):

Services will be delayed by up to 60 minutes.

Services will be cancelled in both directions between Cardiff Central (CDF) and Newport (South Wales) (NWP).

We expect the incident to last until 20:00 and disruption to services is expected from 14:00 on 01/08/2026 until 00:00 on 03/08/2026.

What's Happened?

Following a lineside fire in the Marshfield area between Cardiff Central and Newport.
Fewer services are able to run, but residual delays of around 60 minutes are to be expected.
We apologise for the disruption caused to your journey.

Your ticket can be used on the following alternative routes to help you complete your journey, with the Train Operating Companies listed below at no extra cost:

    Great Western Railway by any reasonable route
    CrossCountry between Cardiff Central and Cheltenham Spa

These arrangements are in place on services until the end of the day.

If you decide to travel from a different station due to this disruption and need to return to that station later, you will also be able to use your existing ticket to do this at no extra cost.

You can use the following local bus services to help you complete your journey, at no extra cost:
X24 / 23 provided by Stagecoach South Wales between Newport and Pontypool via Cwmbran.
Route 30 provided by Cardiff Bus between Cardiff and Newport.
Route X30 provided by Newport Bus between Newport and Cardiff.
You may use your ticket on the following alternative dates at no extra cost:
    02/08/2026
    03/08/2026

Meanwhile the local e-rag has provided the following advice from TfW:
In a series of updates this morning, August 2, Transport for Wales Rail said the incident “is expected to last until further notice and disruption to services is expected until further notice”, confirming that trains between Cardiff Central (CDF) and Newport (NWP) are cancelled in both directions and that fewer services are able to run across the wider network.

(my highlighting).


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377716/31359/18]
Posted by Trowres at 17:18, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
Congestion

Hmm...

The stock for the 1404 Frome-Swindon (1M11) comes from Westbury as an ECS (5M11), departing Westbury sidings at 1325.
Today, it appears not to have run.

Instead, there was a Very-short-term-planning (VST) passenger service from Westbury to Bristol TM, scheduled to depart from Westbury at 1330. Coincidence that its reporting code was 1Z11?

It returned from Bristol to Westbury as 1Z12, arriving a little earlier than the scheduled 1523 at platform 2.

This suggests it was in the right place to form the rump end to Frome of the otherwise cancelled 1544 Swindon-Frome.

The only thing I can see that might be termed "congestion" is that trains between Paddington and South Wales are running via Chippenham today (and are also a bit off booked times due to yesterday's fire west of Newport).



West Midlands boaters race against clock as drained canals close - August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377715/32315/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:11, 2nd August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Boaters race against clock as drained canals close


Repair work is under way at a lock on the Hatton flight near Warwick - Image © Nici Griffin

Boaters are racing against the clock to beat canal closures as waterways run dry due to extreme heat.

Some channels connecting large parts of the Midlands and the North of England have lost several inches of water, leaving narrowboats stuck and those already on the canals facing being stranded miles from home for weeks on end.

Campaigner George Seward said he was getting up at 05:00 BST and cruising until dark to get his narrowboat through the Atherstone flight of locks, after a sudden closure was announced.  "They're unlikely to be open again for many weeks and I want to make sure I get through that flight so I can get my boat safely home," he said.

The locks on the Coventry Canal in Warwickshire are due to shut on Tuesday morning, with last entry on Monday afternoon, as the Canal and River Trust (CRT) tries to conserve dwindling supplies.

For Seward, who is Midlands regional chair of the Association of Waterways Cruising Clubs, the deadline is the difference between getting his boat home to Hinckley in Leicestershire and being potentially marooned for an unspecified period.

(BBC article continues)


Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377714/32313/34]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:42, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Responsible for the order, not necessarily being a responsible civil servant!

Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377713/32313/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:34, 2nd August 2026
 
Hmmm. 

At the risk of possibly causing offence to Peter West: I amended grahame's original post, where he had referred to Peter West as 'the franchise manger at the DfT' - and is there any such entity as a 'responsible civil servant'?

I apologize for any offence I may cause by posting this, my personal opinion, not an official view from the Coffee Shop forum.

CfN. 

Re: The People's Emergency - film, free, 27.5.2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377712/32079/34]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:27, 2nd August 2026
 
More left than Burnham's lot.....sorry, they're not tropes, all true.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377711/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:23, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by rogerw, JohnM
 
You have no idea what congestion there can be, at Melksham station. I''ve seen it - five cars in the parking area there, all at the same time! 

Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377710/32313/34]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:20, 2nd August 2026
 
ooooohhh....wsh I could be there.

I've always wanted to know why he ordered IETs that are so not suited to the Wests railways.....and he  was the responsible civil servant

Re: Cannington Viaduct visit weekend
In "Railway History and related topics" [377709/32301/55]
Posted by chuffed at 16:07, 2nd August 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
The calender CFN keeps in the Nookies and Trannies cupboard...

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377708/31359/18]
Posted by GBM at 16:01, 2nd August 2026
 
14:04 Frome to Swindon due 14:57
14:04 Frome to Swindon due 14:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to congestion.

15:44 Swindon to Frome due 16:38
15:44 Swindon to Frome due 16:38 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham and Trowbridge.
This is due to congestion.
I'd love to know what GWR's definition of 'congestion' is.
So many questions around one word, which to me, doesn't say anything!

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377707/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:13, 2nd August 2026
 
14:04 Frome to Swindon due 14:57
14:04 Frome to Swindon due 14:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to congestion.

15:44 Swindon to Frome due 16:38
15:44 Swindon to Frome due 16:38 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham and Trowbridge.
This is due to congestion.

Re: Diesel trains at Woking to soon be replaced by electrics?
In "South Western services" [377706/32312/42]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:09, 2nd August 2026
 
Hmm.

That's a different answer to a different question. 

Re: Diesel trains at Woking to soon be replaced by electrics?
In "South Western services" [377705/32312/42]
Posted by stuving at 12:47, 2nd August 2026
 
The replies on Facebook are quite fun to read, but so far he doesn't seem to have explained what he has based his bizarre claim on.

I found it interesting that the minister (?) replying on behalf of the government did not point out that his claim was wrong, but pointed out that electric trains will bring efficiencies ... which (he hoped) would include the minister's consituency.   I find myself wondering if GBR|SW in their timetable recast is considering terminating diesel trains from west of Basingstoke at Basingstoke, with connections from there onwards into London?

I thought the PUSS's answer sounded like the question was based on a government statement of some kind. I also wondered when that exchange took place - no date I could see.

I actually came from commons question to the SoS for transport, on June 11th. This section is headlined in Hansard as about transport decarbonisation, but I'm not sure if it was planned as such or just emerged. The three questions in that section start with:
Amanda Martin
(Portsmouth North) (Lab)

10. What steps she is taking to help decarbonise the transport sector. (900360)

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport
(Keir Mather)

Decarbonising transport is vital for our energy security and to make the network fit for the future. We are turbocharging the roll-out of electric vehicles, overhauling public transport, supporting low carbon fuel uptake in aviation, and funding technology innovation for maritime through the multimillion-pound UK Shipping Office for Reducing Emissions research programme.

After that rather woolly (but still overstated) answer and her follow-up question about Portsmouth port, Will Forster jumps in with his. So it was seen at the time, I'm sure, as based on the published decarbonisation plans, which as we all know are largely a deadline-free zone. For the record:
Mr Will Forster
(Woking) (LD)

Can the Minister assure me that when the diesel trains that operate on the South Western Railway network are replaced with electric trains to decarbonise the network, there will be no reduction in service for my commuting constituents in Woking?

Keir Mather

We believe that the benefits of having electric rolling stock for our train services actually allow us to improve efficiency on the railway, and I hope that those improvements can be realised for the hon. Gentleman’s constituents.

Indonesia - Five dead, 41 missing, after ferry catches fire - 2 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377704/32314/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:28, 2nd August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Five dead, 41 missing, after Indonesia ferry catches fire


KMP Mutiara Sentosa 2 ferry with thick plumes of smoke billowing from behind - Image © Basarnas

Five people have been found dead and 41 are missing after an Indonesian ferry carrying at least 250 people caught fire while at sea, officials say.

The captain of the ship reported the fire - off Madura island - as the vessel sailed from the country's second-largest city, Surabaya in East Java, to Makassar in South Sulawesi, according to Basarnas, the National Search and Rescue Agency.

Footage played by local Indonesian news outlet iNews shows large numbers of people in life jackets on what appears to be a lifeboat.

Other clips show people climbing down from the ferry that has flames and plumes of smoke coming from the top of the vessel.

Basarnas posted a video to its TikTok, with a statement saying at 08:24 (02:24 GMT) the Surabaya Search and Rescue office received information that passenger ship KMP Mutiara Sentosa 2 was on fire.

"Based on information from the shipping company, the fire occurred at around 06:00-07:00 (00:00-01:00 GMT)."

Later, Basarnas said it got confirmation the ferry "was almost entirely engulfed in flames" as "passengers held on in the ship's bridge and bow while awaiting rescue".

In some of the footage, can be seen jumping into the sea, with crowds of people in life jackets gathering and lifebuoys being thrown to some before they are carried into a rescue ship.

(BBC article continues, and is being updated)


 
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