| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:47, 22nd May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't argue that the capacity is needed. But the project is a farce, and, beyond the capacity that it might produce, has very little benefit (unless you're a consultant or civil engineering contractor. In which case you're right royally coining it)
The biggest blunder is cancelling phase 2 ie North of Birmingham to Manchester
As we're over £100 billion to get from Acton to Solihull, how much would the bill have been by now had phase 2 been included?
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Electric train at 16:28, 22nd May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't argue that the capacity is needed. But the project is a farce, and, beyond the capacity that it might produce, has very little benefit (unless you're a consultant or civil engineering contractor. In which case you're right royally coining it)
The farce was the Trumpian gold plating by previous Prime Ministers especially when then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson gave HS2 the official green light in February 2020, he highlighted its "extraordinarily fast journey times". While speaking in the House of Commons, Johnson stated that the new high-speed trains would "travel at speeds up to 225 miles per hour". Also the succession of start building in without all the consents and outline decisions being done.
The option to upgrade the existing WCML was never and option, it went through that in the early 2000's and by 2020 all the capacity had been used.
The biggest blunder is cancelling phase 2 ie North of Birmingham to Manchester
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Witham Bobby at 14:34, 20th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And all to get from Birmingham to the outskirts of London quarter of an hour or so quicker. If you didn't laugh, you'd cry
How many times does it need repeating that the WCML is full & no more paths exist. That was the original plan for HS" to provide additional paths for both passenger & freight. One might argue that their biggest fault was in naming the project Hi-Speed 2.
I am completely confident that additional capacity could have been built without a project that will take far too long to be completed and has dug very deeply into taxpayers pockets (£100bn is a huge amount of wonga) and would have provided a lot more "connectivity" than a shuttle route between the capital and our second city
I don't argue that the capacity is needed. But the project is a farce, and, beyond the capacity that it might produce, has very little benefit (unless you're a consultant or civil engineering contractor. In which case you're right royally coining it)
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 13:03, 20th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Reply no. 1937 on a thread that originates back in 2009 ...
And all to get from Birmingham to the outskirts of London quarter of an hour or so quicker. If you didn't laugh, you'd cry
How many times does it need repeating that the WCML is full & no more paths exist. That was the original plan for HS" to provide additional paths for both passenger & freight. One might argue that their biggest fault was in naming the project Hi-Speed 2.
The naming is certainly something that has given rise to a false narrative, but may I suggest that the implication from that naming is an even bigger fault - the heavy engineering and extra expense of a brand new line on an alignment fit for a speed that will save a few minutes.
Here are two images I have grabbed this morning - that on the left if the DfT's crowing about progress - none of which will actually be in use for, what, another decade, and on the right is a railway map showing North West London.

Now - it's too late to look at the parallel universe through retrospective glasses - but I find myself musing that had a decision been taken to restore / retain the old Great Central route north of Aylesbury, various other routes that are not at WCML capacity would have opened up. The old GC route crossed the West Coast main line at Rugby, and from the right hand side map here you'll see how close the various lines come to each other in the lead into London.
The parallel universe offered some really interesting prospects, such as express trains from the North West and Midlands (and beyond there from North Wales, the North East and Scotland) routing onto the Midland line and rather than turning right at Kentish Town carrying on along the chord across onto HS1. With the UK joining Schengen ...
* Manchester - Stoke-on-Trent - Nuneaton - London Kentish Town - Ashford - Calais - Lille - Brussels - Koln - Frankfurt
* Leeds - Sheffield - Nottingham - Leicester - Rugby - London Kentish Town - Stratford International - Paris
* Holyhead - Bangor - Crewe - Rugby - London Kentish Town - Brussels - Hannover - Berlin - Warsaw
and they would be up and running already! The engineering needed being only a fraction of that which the DfT boasts of being proudly completed on social media this morning.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ChrisB at 12:29, 20th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And all to get from Birmingham to the outskirts of London quarter of an hour or so quicker. If you didn't laugh, you'd cry
How many times does it need repeating that the WCML is full & no more paths exist. That was the original plan for HS" to provide additional paths for both passenger & freight. One might argue that their biggest fault was in naming the project Hi-Speed 2.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:40, 20th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I guess it was no great surprise that so much had been spent, presumably on consultants, agents, civil engineering designers/engineers/architects, and land purchase before even a spade had been turned in the ground.
The project was cursed from the start. I have no doubt that this is because it was all set up by politicians with their huge-scale egos and no one to say "no", and no one with any kind of useful experience being asked about the practicalities of the vision. Couple that with so many involved seeing the rape of the taxpayer as some kind of god-given right or opportunity to just take whatever they wanted.
And all to get from Birmingham to the outskirts of London quarter of an hour or so quicker. If you didn't laugh, you'd cry
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:52, 19th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Helps to put it into perspective - HS2 is now expected to cost more than NASA's Artemis moon mission!
...but will carry a few more passengers.
......over somewhat less distance!

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:19, 19th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Helps to put it into perspective - HS2 is now expected to cost more than NASA's Artemis moon mission!
...but will carry a few more passengers.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:06, 19th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
Click on the link to the BBC to view the latest update of their developing news item.
CfN.
HS2 could cost up to £102.7bn and may not open until 2039, transport secretary Heidi Alexander says
(BBC coverage includes video clips and is being updated frequently)
(BBC coverage includes video clips and is being updated frequently)
Click on the link to the BBC to view the latest update of their developing news item.
CfN.

Helps to put it into perspective - HS2 is now expected to cost more than NASA's Artemis moon mission!
(And there'll probably be men on Mars before it starts running into Euston if the BBC article is accurate!)
https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/hs2-slower-speeds-costs-heidi-alexander-b2979336.html
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:55, 19th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
HS2 could cost up to £102.7bn and may not open until 2039, transport secretary Heidi Alexander says
(BBC coverage includes video clips and is being updated frequently)
(BBC coverage includes video clips and is being updated frequently)
Click on the link to the BBC to view the latest update of their developing news item.
CfN.

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:26, 18th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Reads like an obituary.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 05:42, 18th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
HS2 failings blamed on high-speed focus and political pressure
The HS2 rail line failed due in part to a focus on achieving the highest possible speeds and political pressure, a review is expected to find.
The scheme has been undergoing a "reset", and in March Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander asked HS2 bosses to look at lowering top speeds to save money.
This latest report into HS2, expected to be published this week, is authored by former National Security Adviser Sir Stephen Lovegrove and has considered the implications for the civil service and public sector. Its findings are expected to agree with a previous review, external that HS2's so-called "original sins" included changing political priorities and ballooning costs.
The review is also expected to highlight the "gold-plating" of the high-speed concept, "resulting in [a] bespoke and highly engineered design".
In the coming days, Alexander is expected to confirm that trains won't start running by the current target date of 2033 and will also provide an updated price tag for the project. It has been widely expected that costs will exceed £100bn.
HS2's main purpose was to increase capacity on the rail network but it has suffered rising costs and delays.
Under the initial plans, first confirmed in 2012, the rail line would have run from London to Birmingham, and then on two separate lines to Leeds and Manchester.
However, in 2021, the government said it was cancelling the eastern leg going to Leeds. Two years later, the section between Manchester and Birmingham was also ditched.
In June 2025, Alexander said that after "a litany of failure" she was "drawing a line in the sand" and the government would get HS2 delivered.
Mark Wild, chief executive of the project's delivery company HS2 Ltd, was tasked with carrying out comprehensive "reset".
Earlier this year the transport secretary said she was "determined to explore every opportunity" to "bring down costs and delivery timetables" including reducing the top speeds of trains on the line.
HS2 had been designed to allow trains to run up to 360 km/h (224 mph), which would have made the line faster than any other conventional railway in the world. Most high-speed trains in the UK run at around 220 km/h, while HS1, the Channel Tunnel Rail Link, reaches speeds of up to 300 km/h.
Although it will be years before the railway opens, HS2 is in its peak construction phase. A number of key structures have been completed, for example the 10-mile tunnel under the Chilterns, and the Colne Valley viaduct.
As part of efforts to get the project back on track, HS2 Ltd has previously said it would slow or pause work such as the line towards Handsacre, so it could focus spend on areas which had fallen behind; notably the central section across Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Northamptonshire.
The HS2 rail line failed due in part to a focus on achieving the highest possible speeds and political pressure, a review is expected to find.
The scheme has been undergoing a "reset", and in March Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander asked HS2 bosses to look at lowering top speeds to save money.
This latest report into HS2, expected to be published this week, is authored by former National Security Adviser Sir Stephen Lovegrove and has considered the implications for the civil service and public sector. Its findings are expected to agree with a previous review, external that HS2's so-called "original sins" included changing political priorities and ballooning costs.
The review is also expected to highlight the "gold-plating" of the high-speed concept, "resulting in [a] bespoke and highly engineered design".
In the coming days, Alexander is expected to confirm that trains won't start running by the current target date of 2033 and will also provide an updated price tag for the project. It has been widely expected that costs will exceed £100bn.
HS2's main purpose was to increase capacity on the rail network but it has suffered rising costs and delays.
Under the initial plans, first confirmed in 2012, the rail line would have run from London to Birmingham, and then on two separate lines to Leeds and Manchester.
However, in 2021, the government said it was cancelling the eastern leg going to Leeds. Two years later, the section between Manchester and Birmingham was also ditched.
In June 2025, Alexander said that after "a litany of failure" she was "drawing a line in the sand" and the government would get HS2 delivered.
Mark Wild, chief executive of the project's delivery company HS2 Ltd, was tasked with carrying out comprehensive "reset".
Earlier this year the transport secretary said she was "determined to explore every opportunity" to "bring down costs and delivery timetables" including reducing the top speeds of trains on the line.
HS2 had been designed to allow trains to run up to 360 km/h (224 mph), which would have made the line faster than any other conventional railway in the world. Most high-speed trains in the UK run at around 220 km/h, while HS1, the Channel Tunnel Rail Link, reaches speeds of up to 300 km/h.
Although it will be years before the railway opens, HS2 is in its peak construction phase. A number of key structures have been completed, for example the 10-mile tunnel under the Chilterns, and the Colne Valley viaduct.
As part of efforts to get the project back on track, HS2 Ltd has previously said it would slow or pause work such as the line towards Handsacre, so it could focus spend on areas which had fallen behind; notably the central section across Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Northamptonshire.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:10, 15th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Another massive overspend..........consistent at least I guess?
https://www.building.co.uk/news/hs2-admits-it-got-its-numbers-wrong-as-birmingham-train-depot-let-at-more-than-three-times-original-250m-budget/5142108.article
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 11:45, 11th May 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
By way of a summary;
The Transport Secretary described the scheme as "an appalling mess".
The Transport Secretary described the scheme as "an appalling mess".
It's a bit of a giveaway on the direction that a nationalised railway might take that the present government didn't set to work to address the results of the cognitive dissonance on full display with the decision to unilaterally axe the Handsacre to Crewe leg of the thing.
The route's safeguarding was lifted in January 24 and the current government was elected in July of that year.
It's now been well aired that decisions taken since then now risk the likes of Manchester's train service seeing little acceleration in terms of end to end times and for good measure, fewer seats.
The current government really needed to reset the sense of ambition on this one - and it's something that would help them with one of their other tasks, which is to prevent the government that follows this one being of the sort that will cancel the entire project, no matter what is its state of completion when 2029 comes around. It has to be said that a cancelled HS2 would leave a remarkable series of monuments across the south midlands, but in a way the land aquisition for HS2 phase 2a, pretty well complete, while less obvious on the ground, was in itself an achievement and an asset for the railway that the UK is going to need. Without it, users of the M6 and the West Coast Main Line can look forward to increasing disruption, congestion, costs and general underachievement.
Mark
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:19, 16th April 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
'No estate agent will touch our Water Orton home due to HS2'

A total of 11 properties on Attleboro Lane have reported damage caused by HS2 construction
People living in a Warwickshire village on the path of HS2's railway line from London to Birmingham have described the "devastating" impact the project is having on their lives.
Linda Franklin and her husband Ed had planned to downsize their home in Water Orton once their three daughters had grown up but said, because of how close they live to the construction, "no estate agent will touch it".
The retired nurse, who lives on Attleboro Lane, claimed vibrations caused by heavy machinery had damaged their property: "It's destroyed our home, I'm embarrassed about home, it's falling apart."
HS2 said they engaged regularly with the local community and tried to minimise the local impact of the works. But 59-year-old Franklin said she had been "fobbed off" by the company.
The couple, who have lived at the property for 29 years, have cracks in their plaster, floor tiles, wall tiles and ceilings and have been quoted £7,000 for repairs. She said HS2 had acknowledged that it caused the damage, but only offered to pay half the cost when she submitted a claim. "I dread coming home, it's just destroying every part of it", she said.
When they have looked into selling their property, the feedback from estate agents was negative. "The minute they know where we are, they've said categorically because of HS2 they can't market it, nobody will put a mortgage on it, the only way we'll get a buyer is a cash buyer," Franklin said.
The couple are not prepared to sell their home below market value which means they are "stuck, we're just in limbo".
"On a good day it's frustrating, on a bad day it's devastating, I could cry", she said. The huge delays to the project have also added to her misery, she said, adding: "It feels like there's no end to it, there's no way out of it all."
Last year, the government confirmed the high-speed rail project would not be completed as planned by 2033.
HS2 said they acknowledged some people would experience effects as a result of construction and urged residents to continue to talk to local engagement teams.
(BBC article continues)

A total of 11 properties on Attleboro Lane have reported damage caused by HS2 construction
People living in a Warwickshire village on the path of HS2's railway line from London to Birmingham have described the "devastating" impact the project is having on their lives.
Linda Franklin and her husband Ed had planned to downsize their home in Water Orton once their three daughters had grown up but said, because of how close they live to the construction, "no estate agent will touch it".
The retired nurse, who lives on Attleboro Lane, claimed vibrations caused by heavy machinery had damaged their property: "It's destroyed our home, I'm embarrassed about home, it's falling apart."
HS2 said they engaged regularly with the local community and tried to minimise the local impact of the works. But 59-year-old Franklin said she had been "fobbed off" by the company.
The couple, who have lived at the property for 29 years, have cracks in their plaster, floor tiles, wall tiles and ceilings and have been quoted £7,000 for repairs. She said HS2 had acknowledged that it caused the damage, but only offered to pay half the cost when she submitted a claim. "I dread coming home, it's just destroying every part of it", she said.
When they have looked into selling their property, the feedback from estate agents was negative. "The minute they know where we are, they've said categorically because of HS2 they can't market it, nobody will put a mortgage on it, the only way we'll get a buyer is a cash buyer," Franklin said.
The couple are not prepared to sell their home below market value which means they are "stuck, we're just in limbo".
"On a good day it's frustrating, on a bad day it's devastating, I could cry", she said. The huge delays to the project have also added to her misery, she said, adding: "It feels like there's no end to it, there's no way out of it all."
Last year, the government confirmed the high-speed rail project would not be completed as planned by 2033.
HS2 said they acknowledged some people would experience effects as a result of construction and urged residents to continue to talk to local engagement teams.
(BBC article continues)
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:32, 23rd March 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
By way of a summary;
The Transport Secretary described the scheme as "an appalling mess".
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:18, 23rd March 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
HS2 trains could run slower than planned to save money

HS2 high speed railway trains could be made to run slower than initially planned to keep costs down.
The government is to order the company building the project to consider lower speeds on the line from London to Birmingham, which has been hit by delays and cost overruns.
HS2's chief executive Mark Wild was expected to say this month the line would not be completed until after the current 2033 deadline and it would cost over £100bn in today's prices, but that announcement has now been delayed until after the May elections.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander is said to be weighing up all options to claw back as much time and money for the taxpayer as possible. Among the options is a lower initial operating speed on the line.
HS2 has been designed to allow trains to run at up to 360km/h (224mph). Department for Transport sources point out that this is faster than any other conventional railway in the world.
Most high speed trains in this country run at up to 200km/h (125mph), while those on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (HS1) operate at up to 300km/h.
This means HS2 trains could not be tested at their intended operating speeds until a bespoke test track, or the railway itself is complete, something DfT sources claim would delay completion of the project by several years and cost billions of pounds.
The alternative, they say, would be to send trains to China to be tested on existing tracks there.
The government has been highly critical of decisions taken by previous administrations. Last year, the Transport Secretary described the scheme as "an appalling mess".
The Conservatives have been approached for comment.
Wild had previously worked as chief executive of Crossrail, the project that became London's Elizabeth Line. He was appointed as chief executive of HS2 under the previous government in May 2024 to oversee the completion of the railway.
Wild has spent more than a year working on a "reset" of the entire project which is meant to set out a realistic schedule and budget for delivering the line.
A number of major developments, including tunnels and bridges, have been built along the line but it is still years away from completion.
HS2 was originally envisaged as a high-speed railway that would connect London with Leeds and Manchester. However, the sections north of Birmingham were subsequently cancelled.
Under current plans, HS2 trains will travel from Birmingham to Manchester, but at reduced speed on the existing West Coast Main Line.

HS2 high speed railway trains could be made to run slower than initially planned to keep costs down.
The government is to order the company building the project to consider lower speeds on the line from London to Birmingham, which has been hit by delays and cost overruns.
HS2's chief executive Mark Wild was expected to say this month the line would not be completed until after the current 2033 deadline and it would cost over £100bn in today's prices, but that announcement has now been delayed until after the May elections.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander is said to be weighing up all options to claw back as much time and money for the taxpayer as possible. Among the options is a lower initial operating speed on the line.
HS2 has been designed to allow trains to run at up to 360km/h (224mph). Department for Transport sources point out that this is faster than any other conventional railway in the world.
Most high speed trains in this country run at up to 200km/h (125mph), while those on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (HS1) operate at up to 300km/h.
This means HS2 trains could not be tested at their intended operating speeds until a bespoke test track, or the railway itself is complete, something DfT sources claim would delay completion of the project by several years and cost billions of pounds.
The alternative, they say, would be to send trains to China to be tested on existing tracks there.
The government has been highly critical of decisions taken by previous administrations. Last year, the Transport Secretary described the scheme as "an appalling mess".
The Conservatives have been approached for comment.
Wild had previously worked as chief executive of Crossrail, the project that became London's Elizabeth Line. He was appointed as chief executive of HS2 under the previous government in May 2024 to oversee the completion of the railway.
Wild has spent more than a year working on a "reset" of the entire project which is meant to set out a realistic schedule and budget for delivering the line.
A number of major developments, including tunnels and bridges, have been built along the line but it is still years away from completion.
HS2 was originally envisaged as a high-speed railway that would connect London with Leeds and Manchester. However, the sections north of Birmingham were subsequently cancelled.
Under current plans, HS2 trains will travel from Birmingham to Manchester, but at reduced speed on the existing West Coast Main Line.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:05, 23rd January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
Leamside Line agreement between Gateshead and County Durham signed 'subject to value for money'

North East Mayor Kim McGuinness (left) and Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander met in the region to sign the agreement
An agreement to reopen a regional rail line has been signed by the transport secretary, subject to the assurance that it delivers good value for money.
Further development work on the Leamside Line, which runs from Pelaw in Gateshead to Tursdale in County Durham, is set to progress as part of the Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) initiative.
Regional politicians said the line could provide train links for 100,000 people in the north-east of England, after it closed to passengers in the 1960s.
The document stated the government would ensure resources were available for the Leamside Line reopening "subject to agreement of that business case and assurance that this delivers good value for money".
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander met Labour's North East Mayor Kim McGuinness on Thursday to progress the long-awaited proposal, the Local Democracy Reporting Service said.
Funding was agreed in 2025 for a restoration of the northern section of the disused route as part of a new Washington loop of the Tyne and Wear Metro.
The document stated the government would work with the North East on the business case for the remainder of the proposed Leamside Line reopening, including considering better connectivity for Sunderland.

A map showing the potential stations on the Leamside Line, including the planned Metro line to Washington
As well as allowing for new train services through Ferryhill, Sincliffe, Belmont, West Rainton and Penshaw, the route could also provide an alternative path for freight trains to free up more capacity on the congested East Coast Main Line between York and Newcastle.
The NPR scheme also includes plans to improve rail services from Durham, Darlington and Newcastle.
Alexander said: "We're giving the region the support it needs to unlock the full economic and social benefits for its people."
McGuinness added: "For the first time in decades, the new line will give communities a rail link which will be transformational for local people, in the same way the Northumberland Line has been for South East Northumberland."

North East Mayor Kim McGuinness (left) and Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander met in the region to sign the agreement
An agreement to reopen a regional rail line has been signed by the transport secretary, subject to the assurance that it delivers good value for money.
Further development work on the Leamside Line, which runs from Pelaw in Gateshead to Tursdale in County Durham, is set to progress as part of the Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) initiative.
Regional politicians said the line could provide train links for 100,000 people in the north-east of England, after it closed to passengers in the 1960s.
The document stated the government would ensure resources were available for the Leamside Line reopening "subject to agreement of that business case and assurance that this delivers good value for money".
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander met Labour's North East Mayor Kim McGuinness on Thursday to progress the long-awaited proposal, the Local Democracy Reporting Service said.
Funding was agreed in 2025 for a restoration of the northern section of the disused route as part of a new Washington loop of the Tyne and Wear Metro.
The document stated the government would work with the North East on the business case for the remainder of the proposed Leamside Line reopening, including considering better connectivity for Sunderland.

A map showing the potential stations on the Leamside Line, including the planned Metro line to Washington
As well as allowing for new train services through Ferryhill, Sincliffe, Belmont, West Rainton and Penshaw, the route could also provide an alternative path for freight trains to free up more capacity on the congested East Coast Main Line between York and Newcastle.
The NPR scheme also includes plans to improve rail services from Durham, Darlington and Newcastle.
Alexander said: "We're giving the region the support it needs to unlock the full economic and social benefits for its people."
McGuinness added: "For the first time in decades, the new line will give communities a rail link which will be transformational for local people, in the same way the Northumberland Line has been for South East Northumberland."
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:07, 15th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In the meantime, I have revised the heading of this topic, pending the result of a discussion among the admin / moderator team here on the Coffee Shop forum.
Democracy in action. CfN.

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 09:37, 15th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks times two - for the my-bad location catch and also the intermodal reveal.
Mark
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TonyN at 21:49, 14th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
One Uy Hoang has captured, for Google Streetview, a glimpse of actual tangible HS2 phase 2a embankment - from the towpath of the Staffs and Worcs Canal.
Mark
https://tinyurl.com/3vje36vw
Mark
https://tinyurl.com/3vje36vw
Its actualy on the Trent and Mersey just south of Fradley Junction with the Coventry canal.
Passengers will be able to transfer from a temporary terminus to a narrowboat service to Manchester taking about 3 days. Fares will be cheaper if they work the locks.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 13:43, 14th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
One Uy Hoang has captured, for Google Streetview, a glimpse of actual tangible HS2 phase 2a embankment - from the towpath of the Staffs and Worcs Canal.
Mark
https://tinyurl.com/3vje36vw
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:40, 14th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
According to Rail
RAIL understands that the DfT still holds the land between Birmingham and Crewe with HS2’s compulsory purchase order powers for the now-cancelled Phase 2 expire on February 11. It’s thought discussions are under way to decide how to proceed.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Noggin at 10:37, 14th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As the present platforms at Manchester Picc are already at high level (The Metrolink trams in the undercroft are at ground level), I would be interested to see how that would work.
The original HS2 plan has the new lines on the east side of the station.
Actually my guess is that they would put the platforms underneath Piccadilly and then follow the alignment of the proposed 1970's Picc-Vicc tunnels to get to Victoria and the Transpennine line, with an extra west-bound branch to enable Manchester to Glasgow HS.
In Antwerp they put platforms on two levels, a lower one for HS services and an upper level for regional services. If I were Andy Burnham I'd be looking at ways to do that and have a few intermediate stations to effectively build an S-Bahn.
A pair of tunnels for regional services would also have the benefit of reducing traffic on the Oxford Road corridor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picc-Vic_tunnel
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Sixty3Closure at 10:18, 14th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Without trying to delve into politics my first thought on reading about this is that it was a bit light on dates and actual commitment and will probably not get built.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:39, 14th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I remember seeing pictures of Mayfield and seem to remember it existing quite recently. any scope there?
The site is still there with platforms and buildings but disappointingly appears to have been earmarked for non-railway redevelopment.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 21:54, 13th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The original plan had HS2 going to high-level platforms at Manchester Piccadilly, so will be interesting to see what the proposal is for Manchester
I remember seeing pictures of Mayfield and seem to remember it existing quite recently. any scope there?
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:41, 13th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As the present platforms at Manchester Picc are already at high level (The Metrolink trams in the undercroft are at ground level), I would be interested to see how that would work.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Noggin at 20:44, 13th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The suggestion is that the Mayors of Liverpool and Manchester (Rotherem and Burnham) will be allowed to develop the proposals for a HS line between the two via Manchester Airport, presumably providing that they can get developers to pay for the bulk of the project, which is not inconceivable if they are left to their own devices.
As that's the expensive (and politically difficult bit of the HS2 project), the extension of HS2 to Middlewich "when HS2 is open and the NPR line is ready" is presumably a fairly cheap commitment to make, justifies retaining existing land holdings etc.
Rotherem supposedly wants the HS terminus on the Liverpool Central site, already the busiest station on the Merseyrail lines, with a rejig of Merseyrail as part of the project.
The original plan had HS2 going to high-level platforms at Manchester Piccadilly, so will be interesting to see what the proposal is for Manchester
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:27, 13th January 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
New Birmingham-Manchester rail link to be proposed

The Northern Powerhouse rail project is aimed at cutting travel times between northern cities and towns
The government is set to announce its intention to build a new rail link between Birmingham and Manchester, the BBC understands.
Previous plans for the HS2 high-speed rail line had included a line between the two cities, but that part of the project was scrapped by Rishi Sunak's government.
On Wednesday, the government is also expected to confirm proposals for new and improved rail links across the North of England in a scheme known as Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR). Little detail about a new Birmingham to Manchester route is anticipated, other than the intention to build it after NPR is completed, meaning it may not happen for decades.
Plans to bring high-speed rail to the north of England were first put forward by former Conservative chancellor George Osborne in 2014.
A new rail line between Liverpool and Manchester is seen a central piece of the overall Northern Powerhouse rail project, which is aimed at cutting travel times between northern cities and towns as well as boosting the UK economy outside of London. But expected announcements from the current government were put on ice several times last year due to cost concerns.
Insiders said an extended review process of the project was under way in a bid to avoid mistakes made with HS2, which has been dogged by problems and costly delays.
HS2 is currently tens of billions of pounds over budget and around a decade behind schedule. Reports state that the now-shortened line between Birmingham and London could cost £81bn. Accounting for inflation, that would mean at least £100bn will be spent but only 135 miles of railway built.
HS2 Ltd, the company created by the Department for Transport, has accepted it failed to keep overall costs under control and said delivery has not matched what it described as the unrealistic early expectations.

The Northern Powerhouse rail project is aimed at cutting travel times between northern cities and towns
The government is set to announce its intention to build a new rail link between Birmingham and Manchester, the BBC understands.
Previous plans for the HS2 high-speed rail line had included a line between the two cities, but that part of the project was scrapped by Rishi Sunak's government.
On Wednesday, the government is also expected to confirm proposals for new and improved rail links across the North of England in a scheme known as Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR). Little detail about a new Birmingham to Manchester route is anticipated, other than the intention to build it after NPR is completed, meaning it may not happen for decades.
Plans to bring high-speed rail to the north of England were first put forward by former Conservative chancellor George Osborne in 2014.
A new rail line between Liverpool and Manchester is seen a central piece of the overall Northern Powerhouse rail project, which is aimed at cutting travel times between northern cities and towns as well as boosting the UK economy outside of London. But expected announcements from the current government were put on ice several times last year due to cost concerns.
Insiders said an extended review process of the project was under way in a bid to avoid mistakes made with HS2, which has been dogged by problems and costly delays.
HS2 is currently tens of billions of pounds over budget and around a decade behind schedule. Reports state that the now-shortened line between Birmingham and London could cost £81bn. Accounting for inflation, that would mean at least £100bn will be spent but only 135 miles of railway built.
HS2 Ltd, the company created by the Department for Transport, has accepted it failed to keep overall costs under control and said delivery has not matched what it described as the unrealistic early expectations.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ChrisB at 15:55, 30th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From The Telegraph, via MSN
HS2 bought hundreds of people’s homes – and now makes millions renting them out
HS2 is raking in £14m a year as a landlord, including letting out homes bought along the cancelled legs of the railway.
Of the 782 homes which have been voluntarily bought along the route of the high-speed railway since 2012, when the project began, 602 have been rented out, data released to The Telegraph under Freedom of Information rules showed.
Nearly half of the rental properties are on the cancelled legs – Phase 2 – of the project, which would have run from Birmingham to Manchester and Leeds but was scrapped in 2023 under the then prime minister Rishi Sunak.
Between Birmingham and Crewe, 121 of the 122 homes bought have been rented.
The average monthly rent for homes along Phase 1, between London and Birmingham, is more than £2,100, while for the second leg up to Manchester, average monthly rents are lower, at £1,733.
Taking the average rent from Phase 1 and Phase 2, this means HS2 Ltd – the company responsible for delivering the project – is making more than £14.1m a year as a landlord. Meanwhile, the project is projected to cost the taxpayer £81bn.
Joanna Marchong, of the Adam Smith Institute think tank, said: “It is unlikely that these funds are being channelled back into the Exchequer, or whether they are contributing to lowering the cost of this doomed mega-project.
“HS2 should explain why it is undertaking this practice and whether these rents are offsetting taxpayer funding or just being recirculated for executive bonuses.”
Penny Gaines, chairman of campaign group Stop HS2, said: “£14m from rent might sound like a lot of money, but it is dwarfed by the ongoing cost of HS2. The latest figures show that HS2 cost the Government more than £7bn for the last year, so however much they have taken in rent, it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the continuing cost of HS2.”
“Meanwhile, the Government is about to start selling off land and properties it purchased for HS2. Stop HS2 thinks that they should be offered back to the original owners at the price HS2 paid for it.”
Ms Gaines added: “It looks like HS2 will end up being a vastly extravagant shuttle service from the suburbs of London to somewhere near the centre of Birmingham. They should put the whole project out of its misery and cancel it entirely as soon as possible.”
Most of the rental contracts are periodic – meaning they renew month to month or over a set time frame – although some are guaranteed for as long as two years.
But the renters will not benefit from the changes brought in by the Renters’ Rights Act, which will ban Section 21 “no-fault” eviction notices and outlaw fixed-term contracts. This is because the properties are Crown tenancies.
An HS2 source confirmed that it would comply with all applicable changes introduced by the Renters’ Rights Act.
These requirements could delay any later sell-off of the purchased homes, with court delays running to several months. Previously, HS2 allowed those who sold their homes to the railway to “rent back” the property until work commenced.
The rail project – which was first proposed 13 years ago – will not be in operation until at least 2033, following delays and changed plans.
In October 2023, the then prime minister Rishi Sunak cancelled the Birmingham to Manchester leg of the route, with Sir Keir Starmer’s administration confirming a year later that it would not revive the full project. It was reported at the time that £600m had already been spent on properties along the northern route.
The eastern leg of the original HS2 plans, which would have run from Birmingham to Leeds, was cancelled in 2021.
The scheme, approved in 2012 in its original three-pronged form between London, Manchester and Leeds, was expected to cost £33bn. This was revised up to £57.5bn in 2015, with the final cost now estimated at £81bn in 2019 prices.
Once inflation has been taken into account, this represents a final bill of more than £100bn.
The chief executive of HS2, Mark Wild, is overseeing a cost-cutting reset, which will deliver new estimates of the total cost of the project. He is expected to deliver an update to ministers in January.
In November, it was announced that HS2 was planning a fire sale of surplus land in an effort to offload land that is no longer required around stations and the main depot on the 140-mile London to Birmingham line.
The announcement, which contradicted original plans to hold on to the land until the line was open, came months after Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander described the project as an “appalling mess”, and said its opening would be delayed beyond 2033.
Parliamentary powers allowing the Government to begin work on the cancelled line to Crewe will expire early next year. A link with the West Coast Mainline has been delayed for at least four years.
Labour has committed to Northern Powerhouse Rail, with Rachel Reeves reiterating this at the Budget last month, but details on funding and routes are light.
A spokesman for HS2 Ltd said: “Rent charged on properties acquired for HS2 is income for the taxpayer – ultimately offsetting costs incurred by the project.
“Hundreds of properties spanning a variety of prices were voluntarily sold to the Government for the new high-speed rail network.
“Routing the line through less populated rural areas meant that large, detached dwellings situated on their own land formed a significant number of total purchases. As a result, the concentration of high-value properties in our rental portfolio affects average rental prices. Wherever possible, they are let out at market rates.”
A DfT spokesman said: “We will dispose of surplus property in a sensitive and sensible way, including developing a disposal strategy that ensures we do not flood local markets and achieve the best outcome for the taxpayer.”
HS2 is raking in £14m a year as a landlord, including letting out homes bought along the cancelled legs of the railway.
Of the 782 homes which have been voluntarily bought along the route of the high-speed railway since 2012, when the project began, 602 have been rented out, data released to The Telegraph under Freedom of Information rules showed.
Nearly half of the rental properties are on the cancelled legs – Phase 2 – of the project, which would have run from Birmingham to Manchester and Leeds but was scrapped in 2023 under the then prime minister Rishi Sunak.
Between Birmingham and Crewe, 121 of the 122 homes bought have been rented.
The average monthly rent for homes along Phase 1, between London and Birmingham, is more than £2,100, while for the second leg up to Manchester, average monthly rents are lower, at £1,733.
Taking the average rent from Phase 1 and Phase 2, this means HS2 Ltd – the company responsible for delivering the project – is making more than £14.1m a year as a landlord. Meanwhile, the project is projected to cost the taxpayer £81bn.
Joanna Marchong, of the Adam Smith Institute think tank, said: “It is unlikely that these funds are being channelled back into the Exchequer, or whether they are contributing to lowering the cost of this doomed mega-project.
“HS2 should explain why it is undertaking this practice and whether these rents are offsetting taxpayer funding or just being recirculated for executive bonuses.”
Penny Gaines, chairman of campaign group Stop HS2, said: “£14m from rent might sound like a lot of money, but it is dwarfed by the ongoing cost of HS2. The latest figures show that HS2 cost the Government more than £7bn for the last year, so however much they have taken in rent, it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the continuing cost of HS2.”
“Meanwhile, the Government is about to start selling off land and properties it purchased for HS2. Stop HS2 thinks that they should be offered back to the original owners at the price HS2 paid for it.”
Ms Gaines added: “It looks like HS2 will end up being a vastly extravagant shuttle service from the suburbs of London to somewhere near the centre of Birmingham. They should put the whole project out of its misery and cancel it entirely as soon as possible.”
Most of the rental contracts are periodic – meaning they renew month to month or over a set time frame – although some are guaranteed for as long as two years.
But the renters will not benefit from the changes brought in by the Renters’ Rights Act, which will ban Section 21 “no-fault” eviction notices and outlaw fixed-term contracts. This is because the properties are Crown tenancies.
An HS2 source confirmed that it would comply with all applicable changes introduced by the Renters’ Rights Act.
These requirements could delay any later sell-off of the purchased homes, with court delays running to several months. Previously, HS2 allowed those who sold their homes to the railway to “rent back” the property until work commenced.
The rail project – which was first proposed 13 years ago – will not be in operation until at least 2033, following delays and changed plans.
In October 2023, the then prime minister Rishi Sunak cancelled the Birmingham to Manchester leg of the route, with Sir Keir Starmer’s administration confirming a year later that it would not revive the full project. It was reported at the time that £600m had already been spent on properties along the northern route.
The eastern leg of the original HS2 plans, which would have run from Birmingham to Leeds, was cancelled in 2021.
The scheme, approved in 2012 in its original three-pronged form between London, Manchester and Leeds, was expected to cost £33bn. This was revised up to £57.5bn in 2015, with the final cost now estimated at £81bn in 2019 prices.
Once inflation has been taken into account, this represents a final bill of more than £100bn.
The chief executive of HS2, Mark Wild, is overseeing a cost-cutting reset, which will deliver new estimates of the total cost of the project. He is expected to deliver an update to ministers in January.
In November, it was announced that HS2 was planning a fire sale of surplus land in an effort to offload land that is no longer required around stations and the main depot on the 140-mile London to Birmingham line.
The announcement, which contradicted original plans to hold on to the land until the line was open, came months after Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander described the project as an “appalling mess”, and said its opening would be delayed beyond 2033.
Parliamentary powers allowing the Government to begin work on the cancelled line to Crewe will expire early next year. A link with the West Coast Mainline has been delayed for at least four years.
Labour has committed to Northern Powerhouse Rail, with Rachel Reeves reiterating this at the Budget last month, but details on funding and routes are light.
A spokesman for HS2 Ltd said: “Rent charged on properties acquired for HS2 is income for the taxpayer – ultimately offsetting costs incurred by the project.
“Hundreds of properties spanning a variety of prices were voluntarily sold to the Government for the new high-speed rail network.
“Routing the line through less populated rural areas meant that large, detached dwellings situated on their own land formed a significant number of total purchases. As a result, the concentration of high-value properties in our rental portfolio affects average rental prices. Wherever possible, they are let out at market rates.”
A DfT spokesman said: “We will dispose of surplus property in a sensitive and sensible way, including developing a disposal strategy that ensures we do not flood local markets and achieve the best outcome for the taxpayer.”
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:23, 30th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
To save time on reading the whole article I will summarise - it's going to cost a lot more and take a lot longer.
That could be included as the 'Executive Summary' in any official document relating to the railways.

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:42, 29th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
To save time on reading the whole article I will summarise - it's going to cost a lot more and take a lot longer.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:21, 29th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
An update, from the BBC:
HS2 goal to be running by 2033 'cannot be met'

Earlier this year, HS2 CEO Mark Wild acknowledged that construction had been "harder than thought" and "needed a reset"
HS2 has confirmed that its aim to get trains running between Birmingham and London between 2029 and 2033 "cannot be achieved".
Birmingham's Curzon Street Station is currently taking shape in the heart of the city but the divisive high-speed railway project has been plagued by serious challenges.
Earlier this year, HS2 CEO Mark Wild acknowledged that construction had been "harder than thought" and "needed a reset" involving a review of the project's cost and schedule.
In an end of year update, HS2 insisted that significant progress had been made throughout 2025 with the project now at an "advanced stage of a comprehensive reset". However, it went on to say that Mr Wild had "provided advice" to the government confirming that the railway's 2029/2033 opening schedule could not be achieved. "HS2 Ltd has since been finalising a new range of credible cost and schedule estimates," a statement read.
In this latest update, Mr Wild said he made a commitment to address "the failures of the past and get HS2 on track".
"It's clear that we can only do so with a fundamental reset," he continued. "Over the last year we've been through the programme with a fine tooth comb and we're now very close to establishing a clear path forward. We've shown what can be done and I expect that to continue throughout 2026 and beyond as we deliver HS2 as safely and efficiently as possible and for the lowest reasonable cost."
A number of changes have been made already as part of the reset, including "toughening up" cost controls; strengthening the leadership team and reshaping HS2 into a "less bureaucratic organisation". It has also established a new construction schedule to prioritise completing the initial phase of the railway between Old Oak Common in London and Birmingham.
In its latest update, HS2 said it was at "peak production", with all 23 miles of deep-bore tunnels having now been excavated on the opening section of the railway between Old Oak Common and Birmingham Curzon Street.
"Figures show 70% of the project's vast earthworks programme has now been delivered," it continued. "Almost 300,000 tonnes of steel has been used – 69% of that required for the railway. HS2 is now focused on completing the complex civil engineering programme across the 140-mile route, ahead of the next vital stage when the track, signalling and communications systems are installed."
HS2 also said it has increased the number of staff in front-line construction roles to help "drive productivity" and that construction partners exceeded many targets set for them this year.

Earlier this year, HS2 CEO Mark Wild acknowledged that construction had been "harder than thought" and "needed a reset"
HS2 has confirmed that its aim to get trains running between Birmingham and London between 2029 and 2033 "cannot be achieved".
Birmingham's Curzon Street Station is currently taking shape in the heart of the city but the divisive high-speed railway project has been plagued by serious challenges.
Earlier this year, HS2 CEO Mark Wild acknowledged that construction had been "harder than thought" and "needed a reset" involving a review of the project's cost and schedule.
In an end of year update, HS2 insisted that significant progress had been made throughout 2025 with the project now at an "advanced stage of a comprehensive reset". However, it went on to say that Mr Wild had "provided advice" to the government confirming that the railway's 2029/2033 opening schedule could not be achieved. "HS2 Ltd has since been finalising a new range of credible cost and schedule estimates," a statement read.
In this latest update, Mr Wild said he made a commitment to address "the failures of the past and get HS2 on track".
"It's clear that we can only do so with a fundamental reset," he continued. "Over the last year we've been through the programme with a fine tooth comb and we're now very close to establishing a clear path forward. We've shown what can be done and I expect that to continue throughout 2026 and beyond as we deliver HS2 as safely and efficiently as possible and for the lowest reasonable cost."
A number of changes have been made already as part of the reset, including "toughening up" cost controls; strengthening the leadership team and reshaping HS2 into a "less bureaucratic organisation". It has also established a new construction schedule to prioritise completing the initial phase of the railway between Old Oak Common in London and Birmingham.
In its latest update, HS2 said it was at "peak production", with all 23 miles of deep-bore tunnels having now been excavated on the opening section of the railway between Old Oak Common and Birmingham Curzon Street.
"Figures show 70% of the project's vast earthworks programme has now been delivered," it continued. "Almost 300,000 tonnes of steel has been used – 69% of that required for the railway. HS2 is now focused on completing the complex civil engineering programme across the 140-mile route, ahead of the next vital stage when the track, signalling and communications systems are installed."
HS2 also said it has increased the number of staff in front-line construction roles to help "drive productivity" and that construction partners exceeded many targets set for them this year.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 07:35, 8th October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
“Go on, give him another series!”

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:18, 8th October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've been watching the new Alan Partridge series. You can probably guess that he's against HS2.
Whilst looking back on his career he said, "It's summer 2023, Britain is sweltering in record temperatures, HS2 has just been cancelled, correctly, in my view - who wants to get to the north quicker?"
Whilst looking back on his career he said, "It's summer 2023, Britain is sweltering in record temperatures, HS2 has just been cancelled, correctly, in my view - who wants to get to the north quicker?"

Sound advice as ever from Alan Partridge - here's some more (in the railway context) that's worth observing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NBKHtSpTdE
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by JayMac at 20:02, 7th October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've been watching the new Alan Partridge series. You can probably guess that he's against HS2.
Whilst looking back on his career he said, "It's summer 2023, Britain is sweltering in record temperatures, HS2 has just been cancelled, correctly, in my view - who wants to get to the north quicker?"

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:38, 7th October 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
HS2 eastern leg land holdings being sold off
A few months old, sorry if already noted elsewhere
https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/civils/hs2/government-to-sell-off-hs2-eastern-leg-properties-18-07-2025/
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:19, 29th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
Huge HS2 viaduct slid into place over M6
A huge viaduct that will form part of the HS2 high speed rail line into Birmingham has been moved into place over the M6 motorway.
The 3,200-tonne structure, which is 230m long, will eventually carry two tracks on the London-to-Birmingham route.
Both carriageways on the M6 were closed between junctions four and 4A near Birmingham Airport at the weekend to allow it to be slid into place.
The motorway was reopened ahead of schedule at 12:30 BST on Sunday.
Travelling at 10 metres per hour, the East Deck viaduct was moved using a series of winches.
At a later date, another section will be added to extend the viaduct to 320m, while a parallel West Deck will be added to carry another pair of tracks.
The scaled down HS2 line, terminating at Birmingham, rather than further north, is expected to open between 2029 and 2033.
A huge viaduct that will form part of the HS2 high speed rail line into Birmingham has been moved into place over the M6 motorway.
The 3,200-tonne structure, which is 230m long, will eventually carry two tracks on the London-to-Birmingham route.
Both carriageways on the M6 were closed between junctions four and 4A near Birmingham Airport at the weekend to allow it to be slid into place.
The motorway was reopened ahead of schedule at 12:30 BST on Sunday.
Travelling at 10 metres per hour, the East Deck viaduct was moved using a series of winches.
At a later date, another section will be added to extend the viaduct to 320m, while a parallel West Deck will be added to carry another pair of tracks.
The scaled down HS2 line, terminating at Birmingham, rather than further north, is expected to open between 2029 and 2033.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:02, 25th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
Prime Minister 'remains committed' to Northern Powerhouse Rail
The Prime Minister has said his government "remains committed" to Northern Powerhouse Rail amid recent uncertainty over the major infrastructure project.
It comes after plans to extend high-speed rail across the north of England were delayed further, which the BBC understands was due to concerns over long-term costs.
Sir Keir Starmer said he wanted to "get it right" following the scrapping of HS2's northern phases. "While I do understand the frustration, I think that anyone who looks at the mess the last government made of HS2 would say getting it right matters rather than taking decisions that unravel like HS2," he added.
Northern Powerhouse Rail aims to cut journey times between northern towns and cities, including those in Yorkshire. It would include infrastructure upgrades and new lines but is a plan that numerous politicians have failed to deliver.
The prime minister said £3.5bn had been invested into the upgrade of the existing line, which was announced in the last budget.
On losing ground to Reform in Yorkshire, Sir Keir said people needed to decide whether they wanted the "toxic divide" that he says that party offers.
"You can have patriotic national renewal with Labour – or the politics of grievance which is Reform – where they want to trade on the problems not fix the problems because if we were to fix the problems their whole reason to exist dies away," he said. "We need to make our argument about what we're doing, also we need to remind people what we have done. It takes time to unpick 14 years of failure."
The Prime Minister has said his government "remains committed" to Northern Powerhouse Rail amid recent uncertainty over the major infrastructure project.
It comes after plans to extend high-speed rail across the north of England were delayed further, which the BBC understands was due to concerns over long-term costs.
Sir Keir Starmer said he wanted to "get it right" following the scrapping of HS2's northern phases. "While I do understand the frustration, I think that anyone who looks at the mess the last government made of HS2 would say getting it right matters rather than taking decisions that unravel like HS2," he added.
Northern Powerhouse Rail aims to cut journey times between northern towns and cities, including those in Yorkshire. It would include infrastructure upgrades and new lines but is a plan that numerous politicians have failed to deliver.
The prime minister said £3.5bn had been invested into the upgrade of the existing line, which was announced in the last budget.
On losing ground to Reform in Yorkshire, Sir Keir said people needed to decide whether they wanted the "toxic divide" that he says that party offers.
"You can have patriotic national renewal with Labour – or the politics of grievance which is Reform – where they want to trade on the problems not fix the problems because if we were to fix the problems their whole reason to exist dies away," he said. "We need to make our argument about what we're doing, also we need to remind people what we have done. It takes time to unpick 14 years of failure."
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by infoman at 03:28, 25th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Maybe the instillation of ticket gates/barriers at Preston Doncaster Rotherham Barnsley Chesterfield and Sheffield
might help collect the revenue that is being lost.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by John D at 19:47, 24th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Again, due to cost.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckge94030g7o
That won't go down well in Liverpool (which is where Labour conference is being held in few days time)
Starmer does seem to know how to alienate North, whilst being London centric in his thinking.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:09, 24th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Again, due to cost.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckge94030g7o
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Kernow Otter at 22:59, 9th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Have long thought that the better use of funds would be to 'level up' the whole of the network before embarking on new builds. Electrification, line speed improvements, fully regional freight facilities, service frequency....
When everywhere is at the same level, then perhaps invest in high speed lines.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by eightonedee at 22:33, 9th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"Across Europe, every other country connects its big cities by modern high-speed rail," said Greater Manchester's Labour mayor. "
Hmmm....the German purpose-built lines is very much a patchwork of partial links, with Munich lacking any complete high-speed line to any other major city. Better than the UK, but still nothing like France or Spain, for example.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:14, 9th September 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
Reform 'would scrap' high-speed northern rail line
A Reform UK government would scrap plans to build the Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) link, its deputy leader has said.
In a report to the right-leaning Policy Exchange think tank, Richard Tice said companies considering bidding for contracts to build east-to-west high-speed rail links should "not bother".
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham rejected Tice's comments and suggested Reform UK wanted a "second-class railway" for the north of England.
The government also said northern England had been stuck with "second-rate" transport links for too long, and that this was "leaving communities cut off and holding back growth".
The NPR is a project to boost rail services going east to west across northern England, and was first proposed by former Tory chancellor George Osbourne in 2014 before being shelved under Boris Johnson's administration.
Labour is expected to announce the return of the scheme within the next few weeks.
Tice said a Reform UK government would "spend the money instead on things the country needs more". Citing the "billions in overspending" related to HS2, he described the government's expected commitment to more high-speed rail links as "insanity".
The Policy Exchange report proposed a set of alternative schemes, including a Manchester version of London's Elizabeth Line. It predicted NPR would be an "even greater train crash" than HS2, as a new line between Liverpool and Manchester could cost £30bn.
Researchers warned journeys between the cities on this line would take one minute longer than the fastest current services - which are 34 minutes - because it would also serve Manchester Airport.
Policy Exchange claimed the "crisis in HS2 is even worse than ministers admit", as the "true cost" for the line between London and Birmingham is "up to 22%" higher than the amount declared to Parliament.
A spokesperson for HS2 Ltd said: "We do not recognise these claims. HS2 Ltd is committed to the highest levels of transparency and our accounts are extensively audited by the National Audit Office."
Tice said: "Even as the historic disaster of HS2 blows through more billions in overspending and more years of delay, even as it sucks money from things the country actually needs, even as taxes on people and business rise, ministers are about to commit to further high-speed rail schemes which could make HS2's problems and price tag look trivial."
But Burnham said Tice and Reform UK leader Nigel Farage were both "creatures of the London establishment" and he was not "surprised in the slightest" to hear of their opposition to NPR. "Across Europe, every other country connects its big cities by modern high-speed rail," said Greater Manchester's Labour mayor. "But, like the Conservatives before them, the Reform party seems to believe that this should be a privilege only conferred on the southern half of the UK. We have higher ambitions for the North than them."
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "The North has been stuck with second-rate transport for too long, leaving communities cut off and holding back growth. The government is delivering the transport infrastructure needed for faster and more reliable journeys to create jobs and deliver stronger growth – such as the Transpennine Route Upgrade which is already delivering more efficient journeys between Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds and York. We will set out our ambitions for Northern Powerhouse Rail in the near future."
A Reform UK government would scrap plans to build the Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) link, its deputy leader has said.
In a report to the right-leaning Policy Exchange think tank, Richard Tice said companies considering bidding for contracts to build east-to-west high-speed rail links should "not bother".
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham rejected Tice's comments and suggested Reform UK wanted a "second-class railway" for the north of England.
The government also said northern England had been stuck with "second-rate" transport links for too long, and that this was "leaving communities cut off and holding back growth".
The NPR is a project to boost rail services going east to west across northern England, and was first proposed by former Tory chancellor George Osbourne in 2014 before being shelved under Boris Johnson's administration.
Labour is expected to announce the return of the scheme within the next few weeks.
Tice said a Reform UK government would "spend the money instead on things the country needs more". Citing the "billions in overspending" related to HS2, he described the government's expected commitment to more high-speed rail links as "insanity".
The Policy Exchange report proposed a set of alternative schemes, including a Manchester version of London's Elizabeth Line. It predicted NPR would be an "even greater train crash" than HS2, as a new line between Liverpool and Manchester could cost £30bn.
Researchers warned journeys between the cities on this line would take one minute longer than the fastest current services - which are 34 minutes - because it would also serve Manchester Airport.
Policy Exchange claimed the "crisis in HS2 is even worse than ministers admit", as the "true cost" for the line between London and Birmingham is "up to 22%" higher than the amount declared to Parliament.
A spokesperson for HS2 Ltd said: "We do not recognise these claims. HS2 Ltd is committed to the highest levels of transparency and our accounts are extensively audited by the National Audit Office."
Tice said: "Even as the historic disaster of HS2 blows through more billions in overspending and more years of delay, even as it sucks money from things the country actually needs, even as taxes on people and business rise, ministers are about to commit to further high-speed rail schemes which could make HS2's problems and price tag look trivial."
But Burnham said Tice and Reform UK leader Nigel Farage were both "creatures of the London establishment" and he was not "surprised in the slightest" to hear of their opposition to NPR. "Across Europe, every other country connects its big cities by modern high-speed rail," said Greater Manchester's Labour mayor. "But, like the Conservatives before them, the Reform party seems to believe that this should be a privilege only conferred on the southern half of the UK. We have higher ambitions for the North than them."
A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "The North has been stuck with second-rate transport for too long, leaving communities cut off and holding back growth. The government is delivering the transport infrastructure needed for faster and more reliable journeys to create jobs and deliver stronger growth – such as the Transpennine Route Upgrade which is already delivering more efficient journeys between Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds and York. We will set out our ambitions for Northern Powerhouse Rail in the near future."
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:59, 18th August 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"HS2 Limited did not wish to comment"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn927y5vjz7o
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TonyK at 18:13, 4th August 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A link to a thread on Bluesky that puts out feelers re. HS2 phase 2a...
Mark
https://bsky.app/profile/roadscholar.bsky.social/post/3luxcviohgc2g
Mark
https://bsky.app/profile/roadscholar.bsky.social/post/3luxcviohgc2g
Interesting indeed. The Manchester leg is not yet dead, it could seem.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 18:28, 27th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A link to a thread on Bluesky that puts out feelers re. HS2 phase 2a...
Mark
https://bsky.app/profile/roadscholar.bsky.social/post/3luxcviohgc2g
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 10:10, 17th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
HS2 tenants reveal problems over rent and repairs

When Rob Taylor first moved into his HS2-owned barn conversion in the Warwickshire hamlet of Gilson, it was his "little piece of heaven".
Ten years later, the area is surrounded by the High Speed Two works, with road closures, dust and noise now part and parcel of everyday life.
Despite the surroundings, he has had two large rent increases in quick succession - £250 a month last year and £400 a month this year. "It's crazy, I don't know who could afford it," My Taylor said.
HS2 said it carries out rent reviews in line with tenancy agreements, and that several properties, including Gilson, were historically let below market value to account for their proximity to major construction activity.
But the heating engineer said he cannot see how Carter Jonas, the company that manages the properties on behalf of HS2, can justify the rise. "We're in the middle of a 360 building site and it gets more and more intense."
He also accuses the company of failing to address several maintenance issues, including his garden decking which he says still hasn't been replaced three years after it was removed.
"It doesn't matter how much I complain, nothing happens." He added it was sad to see the house "rolling into poor condition", with threadbare carpets, loose brickwork on an external wall and leaks all being ignored.
HS2 bought up hundreds of homes along the high-speed rail route, letting out those it didn't demolish and said it had to balance tenant circumstances with its responsibility to deliver value for public money.
Mr Taylor is among a number of tenants in Gilson who have contacted the local MP, Rachel Taylor, who represents North Warwickshire and Bedworth.
She has written a letter to HS2 demanding answers, and also raised it in a meeting with them recently. "There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to how they can put the rent up by so much and not carry out essential repairs," she said.
In a statement, HS2 said they were increasing the rent in line with market conditions but she argued there should be an element of compensation for people living with the High Speed Two works on their doorstep.
She is also critical of Carter Jonas and the way it has treated people and said it was "failing" in its role as managing agent.

When Rob Taylor first moved into his HS2-owned barn conversion in the Warwickshire hamlet of Gilson, it was his "little piece of heaven".
Ten years later, the area is surrounded by the High Speed Two works, with road closures, dust and noise now part and parcel of everyday life.
Despite the surroundings, he has had two large rent increases in quick succession - £250 a month last year and £400 a month this year. "It's crazy, I don't know who could afford it," My Taylor said.
HS2 said it carries out rent reviews in line with tenancy agreements, and that several properties, including Gilson, were historically let below market value to account for their proximity to major construction activity.
But the heating engineer said he cannot see how Carter Jonas, the company that manages the properties on behalf of HS2, can justify the rise. "We're in the middle of a 360 building site and it gets more and more intense."
He also accuses the company of failing to address several maintenance issues, including his garden decking which he says still hasn't been replaced three years after it was removed.
"It doesn't matter how much I complain, nothing happens." He added it was sad to see the house "rolling into poor condition", with threadbare carpets, loose brickwork on an external wall and leaks all being ignored.
HS2 bought up hundreds of homes along the high-speed rail route, letting out those it didn't demolish and said it had to balance tenant circumstances with its responsibility to deliver value for public money.
Mr Taylor is among a number of tenants in Gilson who have contacted the local MP, Rachel Taylor, who represents North Warwickshire and Bedworth.
She has written a letter to HS2 demanding answers, and also raised it in a meeting with them recently. "There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to how they can put the rent up by so much and not carry out essential repairs," she said.
In a statement, HS2 said they were increasing the rent in line with market conditions but she argued there should be an element of compensation for people living with the High Speed Two works on their doorstep.
She is also critical of Carter Jonas and the way it has treated people and said it was "failing" in its role as managing agent.
(article continues)
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ellendune at 12:20, 13th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Please remember, the London to Scotland routes are of a length where speed does make a difference, though whether that should have been 175 mph or 225mph I don't know. Cutting HS2 off at Birmingham is what makes it a nonsense, though it time I believe it will be built.
There are benefits though for those towns on the existing WCML as taking the fast non-stop (e.g. first stop Crewe or Warrington) off the lower section of the WCML will create huge extra capacity for more freight and local trains. Though it might be limited by capacity between Birmingham and Crewe at the moment.
It will bring the same benefits to the ECML and the MML if the eastern leg is built. For those who think we should just improve existing lines ask the people of Bedford for their views as improvements to make way for the EW Rail means demolition of houses built on former railway in order to widen the MML to 4 tracks for a short distance.
We should use the pause caused by the last government's decision to cancel north of Lichfield, in order to do what Mark Wild says should have been done in the first place. So there is a shovel ready scheme in place when the chaos that will come in Staffordshire when HS2 opens comes to pass.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 09:29, 13th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Picking up - if I dare - on the "Codswallop" I posted a couple of days ago. Saving 15 minutes on a journey from London to Birmingham by having a huge build cost increase does not to me feel like common sense. Saving several hours on a journey like we made yesterday - Strasbourg to Rennes = 840 kms (525 miles) does make sense; almost exactly 5 hours city centre to city centre, top speed 315kms/hr does make sense.
The project has moved from being a whole Great Britain one to a regional one across just the lower part of the Heart of England. Project drift and at this point and with hindsight, some of the what is there now is over specification ... it may come back into its own should high speed go further north; the Scottish Lowlands would seem to have been logical. We can argue all year as to how much should be invested for such a future ...
Personally, and it's not so much HS2 as HS1.75, I would have liked to see HS2 linked across to HS1. The Frankfurt (Main) Hbf model is an interesting one where some long distance trains across the country and beyond reverse in the Hbf (Hauptbahnhof - Main Station) and others call as stations around such as the airport and others terminate there. Too late for such a model; I am very much aware that the UK decided it no longer wanted to be part of the EU, and it's not (never has been) part of Schengen (or Euro) - that different paths would have had some challenges but many of the issues we as individuals and as a country faced today would have been less or eliminated.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Electric train at 07:16, 13th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
HS2 was conceived to provide extra capacity (sorely needed in many places, not just on the London to Birmingham route) and to be fit for the future
Lord Hendy now saying that it didn't need to be constructed with such high speed limits in mind does not fully explain the tunnels, many of which are for NIMBY reasons, the viaducts instead of earthworks, the slab track, or the bat tunnel, and several other specification extravagances
Lord Hendy now saying that it didn't need to be constructed with such high speed limits in mind does not fully explain the tunnels, many of which are for NIMBY reasons, the viaducts instead of earthworks, the slab track, or the bat tunnel, and several other specification extravagances
Judging by Hendy's comments, it would appear that the 225mph running speed was the greatest "specification extravagance" of them all!

HS2 became a political vanity toy, Governments and particular PM's wanted the construction to start so they could beat their chests in Parliament and media that they were getting things done. The comments Mark Wild has made that planning and consents are key to the success to any infrastructure projects both in terms of budgets and timescale.
Mark Wild HS2 July update on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_Mef7LHkE
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by JohnM at 15:51, 12th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks Chris - I should have guessed there was an HS2-related discussion ongoing somewhere.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 01:14, 12th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The government has made the demise of domestic air travel an explicit policy target for the first time by aiming to replace short-haul flights with a new 250mph high-speed rail network.
I was reminded of the original post in our previously merged topic on the subject of HS2 - so I've now merged the latest discussion into this one, in the interest of continuity.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:15, 11th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
HS2 was conceived to provide extra capacity (sorely needed in many places, not just on the London to Birmingham route) and to be fit for the future
Lord Hendy now saying that it didn't need to be constructed with such high speed limits in mind does not fully explain the tunnels, many of which are for NIMBY reasons, the viaducts instead of earthworks, the slab track, or the bat tunnel, and several other specification extravagances
Lord Hendy now saying that it didn't need to be constructed with such high speed limits in mind does not fully explain the tunnels, many of which are for NIMBY reasons, the viaducts instead of earthworks, the slab track, or the bat tunnel, and several other specification extravagances
Judging by Hendy's comments, it would appear that the 225mph running speed was the greatest "specification extravagance" of them all!

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Witham Bobby at 16:06, 10th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
HS2 was conceived to provide extra capacity (sorely needed in many places, not just on the London to Birmingham route) and to be fit for the future
Lord Hendy now saying that it didn't need to be constructed with such high speed limits in mind does not fully explain the tunnels, many of which are for NIMBY reasons, the viaducts instead of earthworks, the slab track, or the bat tunnel, and several other specification extravagances
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by a-driver at 15:25, 10th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
London to Birmingham is 118 miles
At 225 m.p.h., that's 32 minutes
At 180 m.p.h., it's 40 minutes
At 140 m.p.h., it's 51 minutes
And at 125 m.p.h. its 57 minutes
Of course it will take longer - you have to allow for accelerating and breaking, and allow for the two minutes that you need to be there for closing of the doors, and time to get to and from the stations and platform. Rather more I would ask about the freqency and how long you'll have to be at the station to check in before your train is called - one hopes not as long as Eurostar.
I find myself remaining of the personal opinion that 140 m.p.h. would have been quite fast enough, with half of the extra money spent to raise the speed limit on good access in and out of that backbone.
Questions - for what proportion of the journey will the trains be running at their top speed or even over 200 m.p.h., and are the ends engineered to a less fast standard - Old Oak Common to Perivale - 4.5 miles - at 225 m.p.h. would take a minute and 12 seconds.
At 225 m.p.h., that's 32 minutes
At 180 m.p.h., it's 40 minutes
At 140 m.p.h., it's 51 minutes
And at 125 m.p.h. its 57 minutes
Of course it will take longer - you have to allow for accelerating and breaking, and allow for the two minutes that you need to be there for closing of the doors, and time to get to and from the stations and platform. Rather more I would ask about the freqency and how long you'll have to be at the station to check in before your train is called - one hopes not as long as Eurostar.
I find myself remaining of the personal opinion that 140 m.p.h. would have been quite fast enough, with half of the extra money spent to raise the speed limit on good access in and out of that backbone.
Questions - for what proportion of the journey will the trains be running at their top speed or even over 200 m.p.h., and are the ends engineered to a less fast standard - Old Oak Common to Perivale - 4.5 miles - at 225 m.p.h. would take a minute and 12 seconds.
Utter codswallop!!!!!! It’s a piece of infrastructure that’s going to be in place for 100s of years, you build it with the future in mind and thus you need to obtain the maximum speed as possible. You’re in competition with road and air.
When it comes to high speed rail around the world, they didn’t get to 125mph and said that’s fast enough. They are still pushing for faster speeds.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 13:43, 10th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
London to Birmingham is 118 miles
At 225 m.p.h., that's 32 minutes
At 180 m.p.h., it's 40 minutes
At 140 m.p.h., it's 51 minutes
And at 125 m.p.h. its 57 minutes
Of course it will take longer - you have to allow for accelerating and breaking, and allow for the two minutes that you need to be there for closing of the doors, and time to get to and from the stations and platform. Rather more I would ask about the freqency and how long you'll have to be at the station to check in before your train is called - one hopes not as long as Eurostar.
I find myself remaining of the personal opinion that 140 m.p.h. would have been quite fast enough, with half of the extra money spent to raise the speed limit on good access in and out of that backbone.
Questions - for what proportion of the journey will the trains be running at their top speed or even over 200 m.p.h., and are the ends engineered to a less fast standard - Old Oak Common to Perivale - 4.5 miles - at 225 m.p.h. would take a minute and 12 seconds.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by JohnM at 12:55, 10th July 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the Telegraph:
HS2 ran tens of billions of pounds over budget and will open years late because it was designed to be unnecessarily fast, MPs have been told.
Lord Hendy, the rail minister, made the claim as he criticised the decision for the route to be built for trains running at speeds of 225mph, faster than on most high-speed networks overseas.
He said: “It is hard to understand why there was such zealotry about the highest-speed, high-speed railway in a relatively small country when the origination of it was to relieve capacity [problems].
“The case for better connectivity is pretty clear. The West Coast Main Line was predicted to be nearly full, and it is nearly full and under huge pressure.
“But there are two questions that doesn’t answer. One is why we needed an exceptionally fast railway, rather than just a fast railway.
“The other is the speed of delivery. I’m not sure I can make the case that it was desperate. Why it was pursued with such speed – and now we are suffering the cost of it – is hard to say.”
Lord Hendy questioned why HS2 needed to be even faster than the High Speed 1 route that runs between London’s St Pancras International Station and the Channel Tunnel, which at 186mph, he said was “quite fast as it is” and the standard speed for European high-speed lines.
He said about one-third of the HS2 route runs underground or through cuttings in order to keep the line straight and maximise speed, which had created significant engineering challenges.
The former chairman of Network Rail, which manages the UK’s train tracks and major stations, told the House of Commons transport committee that civil engineering work that should have been completed by now was still only about 60pc complete, with just one-third of the wider scheme, including tracks, trains and overhead power lines, finished.
‘Appalling mess’
Last month, the Government said that the opening of HS2 would be delayed beyond 2033 after cost overruns swelled to £37bn, despite the northern half of the project being scrapped to save money.
Heidi Alexander, the Transport Secretary, said the scheme was an “appalling mess” following a “litany of failures” and could end up becoming the most expensive railway line in the world. Some £2bn alone was spent on its now-cancelled second phase to Manchester.
Alan Over, director general for major rail projects at the Department for Transport, told MPs that HS2 was built to such a high specification in part because of a political desire to go one better than Britain’s European rivals.
He said: “If you are going to build a new railway, you might as well make it faster than our historic railways. The speed helps a bit with the capacity as well, because you can get more trains through in the given amount of time.
“The question is, why did the country choose to do it faster than the French or faster than the Germans or faster than the Spanish? There was a bit of ‘we want to join the high-speed revolution’ and be as good as everyone else in that regard.”
Mr Over added: “It’s not bad to have a national ambition. But you have to understand the consequences, that you are then pushing the boundaries and introducing more risk, and that leads to more cost.”
He said that the HS2 was designed for trains faster than all but the speediest Japanese and Chinese models.
Mark Wild, who took over as HS2’s chief executive in December after running London’s Crossrail project, conceded that the project had been too ambitious but said there was now no choice but to persevere with the truncated plans.
He said: “The mistake made here is that the railway is just too fast and too stiff, and that has produced very, very significant civil engineering costs.
“We have clearly got into terrible trouble with the estimate. But the die is cast now and we have to make the best we can of it.”
Lord Hendy, the rail minister, made the claim as he criticised the decision for the route to be built for trains running at speeds of 225mph, faster than on most high-speed networks overseas.
He said: “It is hard to understand why there was such zealotry about the highest-speed, high-speed railway in a relatively small country when the origination of it was to relieve capacity [problems].
“The case for better connectivity is pretty clear. The West Coast Main Line was predicted to be nearly full, and it is nearly full and under huge pressure.
“But there are two questions that doesn’t answer. One is why we needed an exceptionally fast railway, rather than just a fast railway.
“The other is the speed of delivery. I’m not sure I can make the case that it was desperate. Why it was pursued with such speed – and now we are suffering the cost of it – is hard to say.”
Lord Hendy questioned why HS2 needed to be even faster than the High Speed 1 route that runs between London’s St Pancras International Station and the Channel Tunnel, which at 186mph, he said was “quite fast as it is” and the standard speed for European high-speed lines.
He said about one-third of the HS2 route runs underground or through cuttings in order to keep the line straight and maximise speed, which had created significant engineering challenges.
The former chairman of Network Rail, which manages the UK’s train tracks and major stations, told the House of Commons transport committee that civil engineering work that should have been completed by now was still only about 60pc complete, with just one-third of the wider scheme, including tracks, trains and overhead power lines, finished.
‘Appalling mess’
Last month, the Government said that the opening of HS2 would be delayed beyond 2033 after cost overruns swelled to £37bn, despite the northern half of the project being scrapped to save money.
Heidi Alexander, the Transport Secretary, said the scheme was an “appalling mess” following a “litany of failures” and could end up becoming the most expensive railway line in the world. Some £2bn alone was spent on its now-cancelled second phase to Manchester.
Alan Over, director general for major rail projects at the Department for Transport, told MPs that HS2 was built to such a high specification in part because of a political desire to go one better than Britain’s European rivals.
He said: “If you are going to build a new railway, you might as well make it faster than our historic railways. The speed helps a bit with the capacity as well, because you can get more trains through in the given amount of time.
“The question is, why did the country choose to do it faster than the French or faster than the Germans or faster than the Spanish? There was a bit of ‘we want to join the high-speed revolution’ and be as good as everyone else in that regard.”
Mr Over added: “It’s not bad to have a national ambition. But you have to understand the consequences, that you are then pushing the boundaries and introducing more risk, and that leads to more cost.”
He said that the HS2 was designed for trains faster than all but the speediest Japanese and Chinese models.
Mark Wild, who took over as HS2’s chief executive in December after running London’s Crossrail project, conceded that the project had been too ambitious but said there was now no choice but to persevere with the truncated plans.
He said: “The mistake made here is that the railway is just too fast and too stiff, and that has produced very, very significant civil engineering costs.
“We have clearly got into terrible trouble with the estimate. But the die is cast now and we have to make the best we can of it.”
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TonyK at 17:03, 21st June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In the Times the other day, I saw Morten Morland's cartoon and thought "TG will like this".

| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Sixty3Closure at 23:31, 20th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I was talking to someone who owns a business contracting on HS2. A piece of equipment stopped working so they sent an engineer. The engineer explained that they needed to turn the machine on to see the error code although it was probably a £400 card but the HS2 person refused as it broke safety protocols and there was no one available to manage the change process to allow the machine to be turned on. This went on for a while until HS2 asked if the engineer could install a whole new unit which apparently was allowed and there was a change process for. £20,000 later this was done and as an added bonus the contractor was asked to take the old kit away. He replaced the card for £400 and then sold it for £15K.
I've kept the details vague to avoid identifying anyone but fair to say this was not in a high risk area. It does highlight though that perhaps there's not great financial controls and a culture that doesn't really think about the sums of money being spent or sees spending as an easier way to fix problems than managing them. £20K is probably a tiny part of someone's discretionary spend but repeat this hundreds of times over the course of the project and you can see why costs mount up. Also how dysfunctional is a project if you can swap a machine out but not turn it on to run diagnostics?
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Trowres at 21:57, 19th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It is interesting to compare HS2 with schemes elsewhere.
Denmark's first high speed line (Copenhagen-Ringsted) had a slight head start on HS2, the idea being considered from 2007 (vs. 2009 for HS2). Again, capacity was a primary motivation. Speed aspirations were more modest, with 250kph being considered.
Much of the route runs parallel with motorways. There is some tunneling in urban areas; also some viaducts; but not on the scale of HS2. The work was planned as multiple contracts in the range of Euro30m to Euro200m.
Construction started in 2012 and it was opened in 2019. Operations had a very gradual start due to problems with the ETCS. The route forms an integral part of the Danish network and will, a few years from now, connect to the European network via the Fehmarn Belt link to Germany.
Outturn cost for the 60km double track electrified line? DKK10bn, or about £1.2bn (give or take a bit on the exchange rates)
(edited to correct the name of the link to Germany)
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:00, 19th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
........and this is what happened to those who spoke out....
https://www.geplus.co.uk/news/hs2-whistleblower-who-lost-his-job-awarded-319000-13-06-2025/
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Timmer at 17:58, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
All the billions of pounds that have been poured into this massive white elephant that could have been spent elsewhere on the rail network. One project in particular that comes to mind is the bottleneck at Welwyn that would have increased capacity on the ECML.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:32, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Earlier article updated following Commons statements......
BBC News - HS2 line to be delayed again with no new date given - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0wr7nw7wxo
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by John D at 14:16, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Links to some HS2 summer newsletters
Aylesbury area
https://assets.hs2.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/NC2A-North-Newsletter-Summer-2025-v2.pdf
North Chilterns area
https://assets.hs2.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/NCA-Summer-Newsletter-2025-to-publish-2.pdf
Calvert area
https://assets.hs2.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/HS2-Calvert-Area-Summer-Newsletter-2025.pdf
Twyford-Greatworth (Brackley) area
https://assets.hs2.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/T2G-HS2-Newsletter-Summer-2025.pdf
Greatwoth-Southam area
https://assets.hs2.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Greatworth-to-Southam-HS2-Newsletter-Summer-2025.pdf
Lots of updates, photos, and expected work in next few months.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by John D at 12:10, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The rescheduling and re specifying things has not only pushed up costs by billions, it has made complete mockery of timescale.
There are you tube videos showing some sections have finished the earthworks and structures and are being landscaped. Only one TBM is now working (at Bromford), all the others have finished. But they have disbanded the crews rather than start the 2 Euston TBMs which are ready to go. Politicians don't understand basic continuity to save money.
There are set of newsletters, and these suggest in next few months many more new bridges will be in use, and the earthworks completed where there are currently old roads and deviations blocking the way.
Of course, big question is what has been gained by having some sections built (ready for fit out ) by mid 2026 if other parts have been deliberately/carelessly delayed upto 5 years
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by JayMac at 11:58, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
An additional £25bn is being thrown into this money pit. Quietly slipped into the Spending Review. Rachel Reeves decided not to mention this massive contribution to infrastructure spending when she gave her speech to the house. I wonder why?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/13/labour-hs2-money-rachel-reeves-spending-review
The Chancellor should've cancelled the entire project rather than throw more money at it. The assessment was probably that it's too far gone, not physically but politically, to cancel.
What's the scientific name for HS2?
album elephanto pretiosa
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:22, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A couple of days a week I drive up the M42 and back for work. Sometimes also travel around the Hams Hall area, on the A446.
This area is where the HS2 line will have junctions to take trains into Birmingham Curzon Street and out again, on towards Lichfield, where there will be a junction onto the WCML
I've watched progress for months and months, building (so far) one overbridge, and mile upon mile of piers for what will be viaducts. I can't help thinking that the job has been specified to include all the "nice to haves", and not kept to the basics. I'm not a civil engineer, but I suspect that viaducts are multiple times more costly than embankments
I just wonder who (if anyone) is in charge of what and how much is being spent on what
The whole thing smacks of politicos not wanting to get themselves a bad reputation on spending or specification grounds, so they've handed it over to an arms length contracting system, without proper oversight. There is no one to carry the can for when things go wrong. everyone concerned can point at everyone else. The story of modern government in the UK
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ellendune at 08:34, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
More delay, more cost............
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0wr7nw7wxo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0wr7nw7wxo
Yes and we know who to blame now politicians who didn't know how to govern. Clearing up their mess seems a good description here.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:44, 18th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
More delay, more cost............
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0wr7nw7wxo
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:35, 15th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
HS2 reports subcontractor over alleged fraud
The company building the HS2 rail line between London and Birmingham has reported one of its subcontractors to the tax authorities over possible fraud.
Whistleblowers made allegations over the way pay was handled for some construction staff on the high-speed line.
HS2 Ltd said last month it was conducting its own investigation, looking into two firms who supplied it with workers. The company has now also referred the matter to HMRC.
The firms in question were providing workers to Balfour Beatty Vinci (BBV), a contractor for HS2.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander is expected to raise the issue in Parliament this week. It is the latest difficulty to beset the troubled giant rail infrastructure project.
HS2 has faced myriad challenges and spiralling costs since it was first announced in 2009.
It was originally designed to boost capacity on the railways between the north and south of England but the last, Conservative, government decided to scrap the second phase of the project, which included building lines to Manchester and Leeds.
Earlier this year whistleblowers flagged concerns over the way some subcontracted staff were being paid. They said self-employed workers had been falsely declared as salaried staff, with "fake" payslips submitted at a higher payrate. The allegations were first published in the i newspaper in May.
One of the labour suppliers is understood to remain suspended from new contracts while inquiries continue.
An HS2 spokesperson said: "We treat all whistleblower allegations seriously and are continuing to conduct our own investigation."
The firm said it encouraged anyone with relevant information to report it via confidential internal channels.
The Department for Transport said last month it had "a zero-tolerance attitude towards fraud, bribery, and corruption" and would ensure any claims of wrongdoing were thoroughly investigated.
The company building the HS2 rail line between London and Birmingham has reported one of its subcontractors to the tax authorities over possible fraud.
Whistleblowers made allegations over the way pay was handled for some construction staff on the high-speed line.
HS2 Ltd said last month it was conducting its own investigation, looking into two firms who supplied it with workers. The company has now also referred the matter to HMRC.
The firms in question were providing workers to Balfour Beatty Vinci (BBV), a contractor for HS2.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander is expected to raise the issue in Parliament this week. It is the latest difficulty to beset the troubled giant rail infrastructure project.
HS2 has faced myriad challenges and spiralling costs since it was first announced in 2009.
It was originally designed to boost capacity on the railways between the north and south of England but the last, Conservative, government decided to scrap the second phase of the project, which included building lines to Manchester and Leeds.
Earlier this year whistleblowers flagged concerns over the way some subcontracted staff were being paid. They said self-employed workers had been falsely declared as salaried staff, with "fake" payslips submitted at a higher payrate. The allegations were first published in the i newspaper in May.
One of the labour suppliers is understood to remain suspended from new contracts while inquiries continue.
An HS2 spokesperson said: "We treat all whistleblower allegations seriously and are continuing to conduct our own investigation."
The firm said it encouraged anyone with relevant information to report it via confidential internal channels.
The Department for Transport said last month it had "a zero-tolerance attitude towards fraud, bribery, and corruption" and would ensure any claims of wrongdoing were thoroughly investigated.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:45, 14th June 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From Rail Advent:
Significant progress in excavating 8.4-mile-long HS2 tunnel under London - June 2025

Further significant progress in excavating the 8.4-mile-long Northolt Tunnel for HS2 was made when the third of four tunnel boring machines completed its work in the tunnel last Friday, 6th June.
Emily made the breakthrough after completing a 3.4-mile drive at Green Park Way in Greenford, west London, and the fourth TBM, Anne, is due to finish its boring this summer.
The second bore was completed by TBM Caroline in April this year.
Emily was named after Emily Sophia Taylor, who helped establish the Perivale Maternity Hospital in 1937 before becoming Ealing’s first female mayor in 1938.
It was launched in February 2024 and worked on one bore of the eastern section of the tunnel, from where it removed 775,000 tonnes of London Clay and installed 17,514 tunnel segments.
Four TBMs are being used to construct the Northolt Tunnel, with two TBMs building the eastern section from Victoria Road in North Acton and two TBMs building the western section from West Ruislip. Each TBM will finish its task at Green Park Way, from where it will be lifted out from its underground shaft.
Because of high water pressure in the ground at the Green Park Way site, the TBMs are finishing their drives in a reception can in the shaft, which allows pressure to be maintained while sealant is applied from the tunnel lining to prevent water ingress.
Emily was designed specifically for the soft London Clay of the tunnel. Built by Herrenknecht in Germany, it weighs 1,700 tonnes and has a 9.11m diameter cutterhead.
Three teams of 48 employed by HS2’s London Tunnels contractor, Skanska Costain STRABAG JV, worked around the clock to bore the tunnel, with Emily advancing at around 38 metres per day at peak production.
Excavated clay was removed from the tunnel on a conveyor system to the London Logistics Hub at Willesden Euro Terminal, then transported by rail and reused at sites in Cambridgeshire, Kent and Warwickshire.
The excavated tunnel shaft was lined with concrete segments, each weighing up to 7 tonnes, and made at Hartlepool in County Durham by STRABAG.

Further significant progress in excavating the 8.4-mile-long Northolt Tunnel for HS2 was made when the third of four tunnel boring machines completed its work in the tunnel last Friday, 6th June.
Emily made the breakthrough after completing a 3.4-mile drive at Green Park Way in Greenford, west London, and the fourth TBM, Anne, is due to finish its boring this summer.
The second bore was completed by TBM Caroline in April this year.
Emily was named after Emily Sophia Taylor, who helped establish the Perivale Maternity Hospital in 1937 before becoming Ealing’s first female mayor in 1938.
It was launched in February 2024 and worked on one bore of the eastern section of the tunnel, from where it removed 775,000 tonnes of London Clay and installed 17,514 tunnel segments.
Four TBMs are being used to construct the Northolt Tunnel, with two TBMs building the eastern section from Victoria Road in North Acton and two TBMs building the western section from West Ruislip. Each TBM will finish its task at Green Park Way, from where it will be lifted out from its underground shaft.
Because of high water pressure in the ground at the Green Park Way site, the TBMs are finishing their drives in a reception can in the shaft, which allows pressure to be maintained while sealant is applied from the tunnel lining to prevent water ingress.
Emily was designed specifically for the soft London Clay of the tunnel. Built by Herrenknecht in Germany, it weighs 1,700 tonnes and has a 9.11m diameter cutterhead.
Three teams of 48 employed by HS2’s London Tunnels contractor, Skanska Costain STRABAG JV, worked around the clock to bore the tunnel, with Emily advancing at around 38 metres per day at peak production.
Excavated clay was removed from the tunnel on a conveyor system to the London Logistics Hub at Willesden Euro Terminal, then transported by rail and reused at sites in Cambridgeshire, Kent and Warwickshire.
The excavated tunnel shaft was lined with concrete segments, each weighing up to 7 tonnes, and made at Hartlepool in County Durham by STRABAG.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:55, 19th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The only HS2 train running in this decade is an enormous gravy train
This nation has "complianced" herself into an incapability to run infrastructure projects. See also Hinckley Point, etc.
A nation, once full of energy and zeal, that built railway lines all over the globe, is now unable to build a 140 mile railway between two of her great cities
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:26, 16th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Further delays and costs..................
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/fears-birmingham-hs2-station-could-be-delayed-amid-new-2039-finish-date/ar-AA1ERgS1?ocid=socialshare
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:30, 9th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
HS2 tunnel machine breaks through for milestone
A giant HS2 boring machine has broken through to complete the first section of a three and-a-half mile (5.6km) tunnel on the route's approach into Birmingham.
The 125m (137yd) long, 1,600-tonne machine emerged on Friday morning after 652 days and nights of construction work.
The device was named Mary Ann by the local community in a nod to the Warwickshire-born writer George Eliot, which was the pen name of Mary Ann Evans.
The tunnel is the first of two bores of the Bromford Tunnel, running from Water Orton in north Warwickshire to Washwood Heath in Birmingham, passing under the area's motorway network and the River Tame. The breakthrough - HS2's first in Birmingham - was described by officials as a "significant milestone" for the line.
About 31,000 people are employed on the programme across the 140-mile (225km) route.
An HS2 spokesperson estimated that the second bore of the Bromford Tunnel would be completed later this year by another tunnel boring machine, this one named Elizabeth, after the social reformer and activist Dame Elizabeth Cadbury.

Following the excavation, teams will begin fitting out the tunnel with cross passages, concrete finishing works, base slabs and emergency and maintenance walkways.
At peak production, Mary Ann advanced at about 30m (98ft) each day, with teams reinforcing the tunnel with more than 20,000 pieces of concrete.
"Today's breakthrough is a significant milestone for the project and I'm immensely proud of the men and women who have worked day and night to bring Mary Ann and her crew home safely," said Mark Wild, HS2 Ltd's chief executive. "Washwood Heath is set to become one of the most important sites on the entire HS2 network - the point at which the railway will be operated, controlled and maintained using the very latest digital technology."
Mary Ann dug out about a million tonnes of soil to create the structure, which will become the longest railway tunnel in the West Midlands. The earth which was excavated will be reused to support construction of a nearby network of 13 viaducts, officials added.
A giant HS2 boring machine has broken through to complete the first section of a three and-a-half mile (5.6km) tunnel on the route's approach into Birmingham.
The 125m (137yd) long, 1,600-tonne machine emerged on Friday morning after 652 days and nights of construction work.
The device was named Mary Ann by the local community in a nod to the Warwickshire-born writer George Eliot, which was the pen name of Mary Ann Evans.
The tunnel is the first of two bores of the Bromford Tunnel, running from Water Orton in north Warwickshire to Washwood Heath in Birmingham, passing under the area's motorway network and the River Tame. The breakthrough - HS2's first in Birmingham - was described by officials as a "significant milestone" for the line.
About 31,000 people are employed on the programme across the 140-mile (225km) route.
An HS2 spokesperson estimated that the second bore of the Bromford Tunnel would be completed later this year by another tunnel boring machine, this one named Elizabeth, after the social reformer and activist Dame Elizabeth Cadbury.

Following the excavation, teams will begin fitting out the tunnel with cross passages, concrete finishing works, base slabs and emergency and maintenance walkways.
At peak production, Mary Ann advanced at about 30m (98ft) each day, with teams reinforcing the tunnel with more than 20,000 pieces of concrete.
"Today's breakthrough is a significant milestone for the project and I'm immensely proud of the men and women who have worked day and night to bring Mary Ann and her crew home safely," said Mark Wild, HS2 Ltd's chief executive. "Washwood Heath is set to become one of the most important sites on the entire HS2 network - the point at which the railway will be operated, controlled and maintained using the very latest digital technology."
Mary Ann dug out about a million tonnes of soil to create the structure, which will become the longest railway tunnel in the West Midlands. The earth which was excavated will be reused to support construction of a nearby network of 13 viaducts, officials added.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 21:23, 29th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
An on-the-ground account on this Substack blog. The conflict really is dismal.
Mark
https://martinrobbins.substack.com/p/i-visit-britains-most-expensive-farm
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:22, 26th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This could prove calamitous for Bucks CC if HS2 appeals and wins.
Calamity and HS2 are never far apart.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TonyK at 19:58, 25th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This could prove calamitous for Bucks CC if HS2 appeals and wins.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Bob_Blakey at 13:37, 25th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The entire built-up area of Wendover is separated from the HS2 route, a chunk of which will be hidden in the Wendover Green Tunnel, by the A413. Planning application 25/00406/APP shows that the chamber was proposed to be located on farmland to the NW of Wendover and it appears that it was the Kings Farm track which could have been extended to provide access.
Personally, given the cost so far, I would have approved a new direct access from the A413 with a bridge over the railway.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:50, 25th April 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
More money required for the Acton-Solihull line................
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3qk6g4692o
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ChrisB at 20:06, 26th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'm not sure that this is within the GWR remit is it? If the DfT want them to stop, they'll errr....stop.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:09, 26th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Claire Young is MP for Thornbury and Yate, in a constituency which includes a section of the main London to South Wales line on it with a single station which at present does not have a regular scheduled local service to London, being served by only by trains from Cardiff running to and through Bristol toward the West Country - indeed as far as Penzance.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Is Claire the LibDem Transport spokesman? That would explain why it was her that mentioned these?
I reckon it's the 175s (correct number of units).
Paul Kohler - MP for Wimbledon - in the Commons
Baroness Pidgeon - in the Lords
So she isn't the transport spokesperson, doesn't have a station in her constituency which will be affected either way, and has started announcing things that are already under way, something traditionally done by the government rather than the opposition. The news that trains will not be stopping at a station that hasn't been built yet is unlikely to have champagne corks popping amongst even her more fervent supporters, and will only be true for as long as the various bodies involved think that trains stopping at OOC is not a good idea.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/big-u-turn-controversial-railway-10039622?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TonyK at 17:32, 24th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Claire Young is MP for Thornbury and Yate, in a constituency which includes a section of the main London to South Wales line on it with a single station which at present does not have a regular scheduled local service to London, being served by only by trains from Cardiff running to and through Bristol toward the West Country - indeed as far as Penzance.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Is Claire the LibDem Transport spokesman? That would explain why it was her that mentioned these?
I reckon it's the 175s (correct number of units).
Paul Kohler - MP for Wimbledon - in the Commons
Baroness Pidgeon - in the Lords
So she isn't the transport spokesperson, doesn't have a station in her constituency which will be affected either way, and has started announcing things that are already under way, something traditionally done by the government rather than the opposition. The news that trains will not be stopping at a station that hasn't been built yet is unlikely to have champagne corks popping amongst even her more fervent supporters, and will only be true for as long as the various bodies involved think that trains stopping at OOC is not a good idea.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 16:40, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Claire Young is MP for Thornbury and Yate, in a constituency which includes a section of the main London to South Wales line on it with a single station which at present does not have a regular scheduled local service to London, being served by only by trains from Cardiff running to and through Bristol toward the West Country - indeed as far as Penzance.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Is Claire the LibDem Transport spokesman? That would explain why it was her that mentioned these?
I reckon it's the 175s (correct number of units).
Paul Kohler - MP for Wimbledon - in the Commons
Baroness Pidgeon - in the Lords
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ChrisB at 16:21, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Claire Young is MP for Thornbury and Yate, in a constituency which includes a section of the main London to South Wales line on it with a single station which at present does not have a regular scheduled local service to London, being served by only by trains from Cardiff running to and through Bristol toward the West Country - indeed as far as Penzance.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome.
Is Claire the LibDem Transport spokesman? That would explain why it was her that mentioned these?
I reckon it's the 175s (correct number of units).
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Western Pathfinder at 16:03, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Requiring of a rather hefty pinch of salt thinks me.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by stuving at 15:11, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Then either none do & the current timetable would still work on the main lines, OR this will mean that there will be fewer paths available per hour as some stop (so the more 'locals' - Cotswolds, Bristol (poss not, as XC direct would be quicker than via OOC), Cardiffs, WSMs) while others don't....
Or else it is a very easy promise to make, since by the time Old Oak Common station opens there won't be any Great Western Railway. And as an operational timetabling matter, I would doubt any promise so far into the future, even from the provisional GBR, was worth much.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 14:49, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Bluesky post from an MP, an update on Old Oak Common services.
"After much lobbying from @libdems.org.uk MPs, I am glad to confirm Great Western Railway trains travelling from the South West to London Paddington will not stop at Old Oak Common as standard - as had been proposed - and that there will be an additional 26 trains added to the fleet."
Mark
"After much lobbying from @libdems.org.uk MPs, I am glad to confirm Great Western Railway trains travelling from the South West to London Paddington will not stop at Old Oak Common as standard - as had been proposed - and that there will be an additional 26 trains added to the fleet."
Mark
Claire Young is MP for Thornbury and Yate, in a constituency which includes a section of the main London to South Wales line on it with a single station which at present does not have a regular scheduled local service to London, being served by only by trains from Cardiff running to and through Bristol toward the West Country - indeed as far as Penzance.
Are the 26 trains mentioned a fresh announcement or are they the class 175 units which will be very welcome. The use of the word "additional" suggests to me a net fleet growth, but other reports including from GWR suggest that some of the trains in this transfer are not additional but rather as replacement for other trains being withdrawn.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ChrisB at 14:31, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Then either none do & the current timetable would still work on the main lines, OR this will mean that there will be fewer paths available per hour as some stop (so the more 'locals' - Cotswolds, Bristol (poss not, as XC direct would be quicker than via OOC), Cardiffs, WSMs) while others don't....
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 14:19, 17th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Bluesky post from an MP, an update on Old Oak Common services.
"After much lobbying from @libdems.org.uk MPs, I am glad to confirm Great Western Railway trains travelling from the South West to London Paddington will not stop at Old Oak Common as standard - as had been proposed - and that there will be an additional 26 trains added to the fleet."
Mark
https://bsky.app/profile/claireyoungmp.bsky.social/post/3lkgyydpypk26
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TonyK at 19:00, 12th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Well - hopefully both the PAC and vast number of UK-knockers might take some comfort from this take from DW (Germany's answer to BBC) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDChSmyf-0
Seems like it's a universal problem!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDChSmyf-0
Seems like it's a universal problem!
Even that's a little simplistic. Yes, the USA laid 2000 miles of track in the 1860s, but they don't have quite the same supply of cheap labour as back then from Ireland and China. Nor do we have the human power available to Brunel back in the olden days. As to "doomed" - depends on which bit of HS2 you mean.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by eightonedee at 21:40, 10th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Well - hopefully both the PAC and vast number of UK-knockers might take some comfort from this take from DW (Germany's answer to BBC) -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDChSmyf-0
Seems like it's a universal problem!
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:35, 28th February 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Another roasting for HS2 from the Public Accounts Committee........
https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/civils/hs2/hs2-civils-contracts-slammed-as-extremely-poor-value-for-money-28-02-2025/
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by ChrisB at 13:41, 26th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Added 75mins and a reversal
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by PhilWakely at 22:28, 25th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think hourly 9/10-car IET diversions into Waterloo, in addition to the Euston ones, would make more sense but were ruled out, this Christmas at least, for a few reasons. As well as the Westbury blockade there's nothing running between Woking and Basingstoke until 5th January so diversions from Exeter via Yeovil/Salisbury weren't possible.
I presume that diverting into Waterloo via Kensington Olympia and Clapham Junction was ruled out early?
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 20:24, 25th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think hourly 9/10-car IET diversions into Waterloo, in addition to the Euston ones, would make more sense but were ruled out, this Christmas at least, for a few reasons. As well as the Westbury blockade there's nothing running between Woking and Basingstoke until 5th January so diversions from Exeter via Yeovil/Salisbury weren't possible.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by Mark A at 18:31, 25th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What real difference would a short DMU running a handful of services a day through to Waterloo actually make in the grand scheme of things? Not much I would suspect.
Thinking of passenger flows + an Old Oak Common blockade, if people did take to a Waterloo - Bristol route in numbers, that's a good point. From the passenger's point of view, unless swamped, it's an opportunity to provide a functional and more accessible alternative though.
The other qualities offered by the route are for another (extant and already well-filled) thread though. If it had not been for the pandemic, they'd still be in the timetable and we'd be grumbling about the Salisbury-Trowbridge blockade suspending them for much of January.
Mark
PS Seasons greetings, all.
| Re: HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) - Government proposals, alternative routes, discussion Posted by grahame at 12:33, 25th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What real difference would a short DMU running a handful of services a day through to Waterloo actually make in the grand scheme of things? Not much I would suspect.
Indeed - but then an hourly through service all stations Bristol Temple Meads to Salisbury ... and onwards all stations to Basigntoke, Farnbourough, Woking, Clapham Junction and Waterloo ... would make a difference.
"Where would the trains and crews come from?". Well - the Bristol to Westbury is already there. In many hours that extends to Salisbury already, and in many of those it doesn't it carries on to Salisbury. Salisbury to Waterloo is already there. So it's a bit of joining up that's needed and NOT a handful of (extra) services that need to be found from somewhere.
I do accept that at times that the line into Paddington is not available, but Westbury IS, the though Bristol to London (Waterloo) service would be distinctly busy. I'm not sure where we're going with 158s, 159s, 165s, 166s and 175s next year - but it's not beyond imagination to suggest that 158s could be replaced on Cardiff - Exeter services by IETs not headed to London on those days, with the 158s used to make the Bristol - Salisbury services up to 5 carriages, with 8 onwards to Waterloo.














