Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:44, 19th November 2024 |
I would be very surprised amazed if gateline staff didn't have some form of audio / audiovisual communication with other station staff who, if not already there, could be instructed to meet the passenger on the platform.
Not exactly rocket science?
Not exactly rocket science?
No. But train drivers still have to dismount from their cab, walk over the permanent way to the nearest telephone equipment, just to converse with the signaller regarding any incident. Why not use mobile phones, or cab radios, for goodness' sake?
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:19, 19th November 2024 |
Not sure that gateline staff are allowed off the gateline are they? - except in cases of emergency.
I would be
Not exactly rocket science?
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:51, 18th November 2024 |
Going off at a slight tangent here, but the now Lord Blunkett's previous assistance dogs have caused some amusement in the House of Commons in the past - generally when they were sick, at an appropriate moment:
See https://quizmonkey.net/general/dogs%20info%20blunkett.htm
David Blunkett and his guide dogs
David Blunkett has been blind since birth. He entered politics after his father, Arthur Blunkett – a gas foreman – suffered a fatal accident at work; he was past retirement age and his empoyer refused to provide his dependants with a pension.
Mr. Blunkett became Sheffield's youngest councillor in 1969, at the age of 22. After seven years as Leader of Sheffield City Council (1980-7), he served for 28 years as an MP. He spent a total of eight years in Tony Blair's cabinet: four as Education Secretary (1997-2001), three and a half as Home Secretary (2001–4), and six months as Work and Pensions Secretary (2005).
His first guide dog, Ruby, retired in 1978. She was followed by Ted, a.k.a. Teddy (1978–87), Offa (1987–94), Lucy (1994–2002), Sadie (2002–2011) and Cosby (from 2011).
Ruby was the first dog to be allowed inside the House of Commons, when she and Mr. Blunkett visited in 1971. Sixteen years later, Ted became the first guide dog to grace the floor of the Commons after his owner was elected as MP for Sheffield Brightside.
Teddy, according to Mr. Blunkett, was "a gentle giant of a dog who used to snore under the table during BBC1's Question Time, back in the days when Robin Day was chairman." He also made his presence known by lapping water.
Mr. Blunkett also told how Teddy "brought up his breakfast" during Nigel Lawson's budget speech in 1988. "The Honorable member for Bolsover" (Denis Skinner) asked who was going to clear up the mess – leading inevitably to quips about whether he meant Teddy's breakfast or the UK economy.
If Ted was a memorable character, his successor – Offa – seems to have been the most accident–prone of them all. In a relatively short career, he was sick while Labour's Shadow Environment Secretary Bryan Gould outlined his party's proposals for an alternative to the Poll Tax; suffered a violent allergic reaction when Tory MP Nicholas Fairbairn showered him with snuff at the entrance to the Chamber; and was struck by a van after bolting into the road to escape fireworks near his master's home.
It was Lucy that accompanied Mr. Blunkett through the culmination of his rise to high office, and she was not immune to accidents in the House of Commons. In 1999, when David Willetts (Conservative, Havant) was on his feet, criticising Mr. Blunkett's record as Home Secretary, Lucy was violently sick. This time, as Hansard reports, it was Mr Don Foster (Conservative, Bath) who quipped"I [...] think it rather appropriate that, while the hon. Gentleman was speaking, the Secretary of State's dog was sick." Lucy was rebuked by the Speaker.
Saint Lucy is the patron saint of the blind and partially sighted, the story being that her eyes (like those of many Christian martyrs) were gouged out prior to her execution. I'm not sure whether this was the inspiration behind the name of Mr. Blunkett's arguably most famous dog, or not.
Mr. Blunkett retired from parliamentary duty in 2015. He joked about how he and Cosby were "bow–wowing out".
© Haydn Thompson 2017
David Blunkett has been blind since birth. He entered politics after his father, Arthur Blunkett – a gas foreman – suffered a fatal accident at work; he was past retirement age and his empoyer refused to provide his dependants with a pension.
Mr. Blunkett became Sheffield's youngest councillor in 1969, at the age of 22. After seven years as Leader of Sheffield City Council (1980-7), he served for 28 years as an MP. He spent a total of eight years in Tony Blair's cabinet: four as Education Secretary (1997-2001), three and a half as Home Secretary (2001–4), and six months as Work and Pensions Secretary (2005).
His first guide dog, Ruby, retired in 1978. She was followed by Ted, a.k.a. Teddy (1978–87), Offa (1987–94), Lucy (1994–2002), Sadie (2002–2011) and Cosby (from 2011).
Ruby was the first dog to be allowed inside the House of Commons, when she and Mr. Blunkett visited in 1971. Sixteen years later, Ted became the first guide dog to grace the floor of the Commons after his owner was elected as MP for Sheffield Brightside.
Teddy, according to Mr. Blunkett, was "a gentle giant of a dog who used to snore under the table during BBC1's Question Time, back in the days when Robin Day was chairman." He also made his presence known by lapping water.
Mr. Blunkett also told how Teddy "brought up his breakfast" during Nigel Lawson's budget speech in 1988. "The Honorable member for Bolsover" (Denis Skinner) asked who was going to clear up the mess – leading inevitably to quips about whether he meant Teddy's breakfast or the UK economy.
If Ted was a memorable character, his successor – Offa – seems to have been the most accident–prone of them all. In a relatively short career, he was sick while Labour's Shadow Environment Secretary Bryan Gould outlined his party's proposals for an alternative to the Poll Tax; suffered a violent allergic reaction when Tory MP Nicholas Fairbairn showered him with snuff at the entrance to the Chamber; and was struck by a van after bolting into the road to escape fireworks near his master's home.
It was Lucy that accompanied Mr. Blunkett through the culmination of his rise to high office, and she was not immune to accidents in the House of Commons. In 1999, when David Willetts (Conservative, Havant) was on his feet, criticising Mr. Blunkett's record as Home Secretary, Lucy was violently sick. This time, as Hansard reports, it was Mr Don Foster (Conservative, Bath) who quipped"I [...] think it rather appropriate that, while the hon. Gentleman was speaking, the Secretary of State's dog was sick." Lucy was rebuked by the Speaker.
Saint Lucy is the patron saint of the blind and partially sighted, the story being that her eyes (like those of many Christian martyrs) were gouged out prior to her execution. I'm not sure whether this was the inspiration behind the name of Mr. Blunkett's arguably most famous dog, or not.
Mr. Blunkett retired from parliamentary duty in 2015. He joked about how he and Cosby were "bow–wowing out".
© Haydn Thompson 2017
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by ChrisB at 17:16, 18th November 2024 |
Not sure that gateline staff are allowed off the gateline are they? - except in cases of emergency.
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Bob_Blakey at 16:25, 18th November 2024 |
.....and their need may not be immediately visible to staff, especially in a crowded Underground station.....
You would have thought, would you not, that the presence of an assistance dog would trigger an appropriate response from station staff as soon as the individual arrives at the gateline?
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:33, 17th November 2024 |
Lord Blunkett does refer to a more practical solution – staff being available to help. Perhaps officially there are, but clearly that solution didn't pan out here. It may be difficult for someone with limited or no vision to find help, and their need may not be immediately visible to staff, especially in a crowded Underground station. Staff helping out does seem to be the best solution here, though.
Yes, that would be the ideal solution. But I can't see it happening (pun very much intended).
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by grahame at 21:20, 17th November 2024 |
Are there any alternatives I have missed, or have I overcomplicated them?
Rebuild the station to have straight platforms.
It is worse than that. Reborn the tunnels to have straight tracks.
With a re-aligned river (because it's under the embankment) that seems easy enough
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Hafren at 20:48, 17th November 2024 |
I found the suggestion of filling the gaps rather questionable. If there were a height issue, raising the platform would still be quite a task but relatively feasible. But 'filling' the horizontal gap? Perhaps there could be a rolling programme to rebuild platforms to be straighter, but that would take many years and entail a huge amount of disruption, even if TfL had the budget for it and could identify alternative locations in all cases.
A FLIRT-style retracting step solution might be more practical but I'm not sure if it would work in all locations – the technology may have some limit of gap or curvature. However my impression is that FLIRTs aren't the cheapest of trains, and the S stock is relatively new, so replacement isn't on the cards any time soon, even if there is (or can be for the right price) a FLIRT-style product available for this context.
Lord Blunkett does refer to a more practical solution – staff being available to help. Perhaps officially there are, but clearly that solution didn't pan out here. It may be difficult for someone with limited or no vision to find help, and their need may not be immediately visible to staff, especially in a crowded Underground station. Staff helping out does seem to be the best solution here, though.
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by eXPassenger at 20:42, 17th November 2024 |
Are there any alternatives I have missed, or have I overcomplicated them?
Rebuild the station to have straight platforms.
It is worse than that. Reborn the tunnels to have straight tracks.
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by JayMac at 19:46, 17th November 2024 |
Are there any alternatives I have missed, or have I overcomplicated them?
Rebuild the station to have straight platforms.
Re: Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by grahame at 16:41, 17th November 2024 |
From the BBC:
Lord Blunkett said: "Whenever you step into a Tube station in London you hear the tannoy warn people to 'mind the gap'. But too often there are no staff members to actually help you if, like me, you cannot see."
He is calling for TfL to fill the widest gaps on platforms and make sure there is always someone there to help, especially during rush hour. He added "some of our platforms are death traps. The gap between the walkway and train is huge and they are unsafe for everyone, but particularly for blind people.
He is calling for TfL to fill the widest gaps on platforms and make sure there is always someone there to help, especially during rush hour. He added "some of our platforms are death traps. The gap between the walkway and train is huge and they are unsafe for everyone, but particularly for blind people.
Not necessarily easy or I think it would have been done. The platform at Westminster is curved
* Widening the platform would foul the ends of the carriage on the outside, and the centre of the carriages on the inside.
* Shorter carriages (as you would have found when the station opened) would reduce the gap
* steps that come out from the train or the platform when the train stops and then retract before the train leaves aren't typically cheap, easily fitted, or available off the shelf.
Are there any alternatives I have missed, or have I overcomplicated them?
Lord Blunkett injured in Tube platform gap fall - October 2024 Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:03, 17th November 2024 |
From the BBC:
Lord Blunkett has called for an urgent review into what he described as "death trap" Tube platforms after he was injured falling into a gap as he boarded a train at Westminster station.
It happened as the Labour Peer, who is blind, slipped while getting on to a District line train with his guide dog, last month. He wants Transport for London (TfL) to do more to ensure visually impaired people are kept safe.
"I didn't fully know what had happened. I felt enormous pain in both my legs; they were bruised and grazed," the 77-year-old former home secretary and health secretary wrote in the Sun on Sunday.
London Underground said it was "extremely sorry" that Lord Blunkett was injured and will be meeting with him to ensure that lessons are learned from the incident.
Lord Blunkett, who served as the MP for Sheffield Brightside and Hillsborough between 1987 and 2015, said: "As I took a step to get on to the Tube train I suddenly felt both my feet disappearing down the gap. In an instant my body had been propelled forward into the carriage and I was face down on the floor. My legs had somehow been scraped out of the gap and into the carriage."
The fall comes after Lord Blunkett had a recent heart attack which means he must take blood thinners - making any bruising or bleeding more dangerous. He explained that an X-ray confirmed "extraordinary bruising", but no broken leg, and he was "angry" about what had happened.
Lord Blunkett said: "Whenever you step into a Tube station in London you hear the tannoy warn people to 'mind the gap'. But too often there are no staff members to actually help you if, like me, you cannot see."
He is calling for TfL to fill the widest gaps on platforms and make sure there is always someone there to help, especially during rush hour. He added "some of our platforms are death traps. The gap between the walkway and train is huge and they are unsafe for everyone, but particularly for blind people."
Lord Blunkett is expected to request TfL launch an urgent review into the safety of the busiest tube stations.
Nick Dent, London Underground's director of customer operations, said: "We were extremely sorry that Lord Blunkett was injured on our network. We have written to, and will be meeting with, him to discuss how we could have managed the incident better and to ensure that lessons are learned. The safety of our customers and staff is at the forefront of everything we do, and while injuries like the one experienced by Lord Blunkett are rare, we are undertaking a huge range of work aimed at eradicating such incidents and making travelling even safer for everyone."