Another vote for Aspen but as II says it is more expensive. I'm looking at getting a generator as my water supply (from a borehole) needs electricity to power the pumps but the logistics around storing 'fresh' petrol keeps putting me off and the cost of more Aspen is also off putting.

I was recommended to use Aspen Alkylate Petrol in my mower as it doesn’t go stale anywhere near as quickly and is kinder on the wear and tear of the engine and less polluting.

It is pricier though.

https://aspenfuel.co.uk/

My Government job meant that it was possible that I might have had a place in the bunker opposite Basingstoke Station. On a course at the Home Defence College at Easingwold, I had the temerity to suggest that some officials might not turn up,preferring to be with their families; this prompted the tutor to have a dig at me later when he suggested that I might be one such. In the event of escalating tension, selected officials would report to a hotel in Newbury (close to the strategic targets of Aldermaston, Greenham Common and the USAF bomb depot at Welford) and then be bussed to Basingstoke.

There were fears that some might prefer to see out Armageddon with their families so, bizarrely, the Government  said that some relatives might be allowed in to the bunker ("Bouches inutiles"  - "Useless Mouths") and one guy nominated his grandmother.

Happily the world became a safer place    and the bunker was de-commissioned ...

Those who have NOT already prudently stocked petrol, might need to start panic buying.

Considerable disruption to European distribution of oil and oil products is reported due to a large hacking attack on oil infrastructure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60250956

Fair enough.  The only petrol I store in my garage is in a can for use in my lawn mower.  It's a 5 litre capacity can, but I never have more than one litre in it - otherwise, it goes stale before I will use it.   

In the days when I drove a petrol car, I would always fill up completely, just to extend the time before I had to do it again. An aircraft has other considerations that make it much more important.

The bunker in question is not mine, but I am promised a space in it in return for help in designing and stocking.
It is above ground but sheltered by a very substantial earth mound, this looks like a small hill but is manmade.

If too close to a nuclear explosion survival is not possible, but a bunker increases the chances of survival in the event of a more distant explosion, or drifting fallout.

As a rough guide,
 being inside an average house reduces the dose to one tenth of that received in the open.
A deep basement but without any specific protective measures reduces the dose to about one hundredth of that received in the open.
A  basic purpose built shelter reduces the dose to about one thousandth of that received in the open.

Once met someone who’s father had before retiring had a large corner shop and she said their garage always had stock for the shop. It was always just tinned, canned and any other goods that had a long shelf life and didn’t require water to cook. Also all the canned drinks and bottled water were stored in the garage too before going to the shop.

A while after the end of the cold war her father admitted that he had a reason for doing this. It wasn’t as he’d told them that there wasn’t enough space for the stock at the shop. It was because in the event of the cold war turning hot, they’d have plenty to eat and drink. She actually admitted she hoped to die in a fireball rather than live through it, but had never told him that.

It is above ground but sheltered by a very substantial earth mound, this looks like a small hill but is manmade.

If the country/world ever develops into a situation where an underground bunker is the best option, then I will be very happy to exit stage left rather than clamber down the steps into it and live through the tortured life that would follow.

There's always the bottles of Port. 

If the country/world ever develops into a situation where an underground bunker is the best option, then I will be very happy to exit stage left rather than clamber down the steps into it and live through the tortured life that would follow.

My wife uses our car for work during the week, so I offered to get some petrol, while I was taking some rubbish up to the tip yesterday.  At the filling station, I paused and thought, "Shall I fill up a full tank, or just get what she will need for the next week?"  I decided to get just £20 - that's more than a half tankful top-up and all she will need for the whole week.

My view, broadgage, is that she would otherwise be driving around with a full fuel tank, which is dead weight, increases our actual fuel consumption - and is unnecessary.

Sometime, if I'm in Minehead, I'd love to see your underground bunker. 

Already stocked with 24 bottles of port, and a good supply of spirits.
Food, water, guns, and ammo are arguably of greater importance in an emergency and are stocked in generous volumes.
Other defensive equipment includes crossbows, sporting bats, and hunting knives. None of which need a licence to posses, though carrying same in a public place without good reason, is a serious offence.
Petrol is not stored within the bunker due to the fire risk, but a good supply is stored underground nearby.
Battery lighting for a month, candles for a year.

Hope there's room for a few bottles of Port!

No but I have booked a place ! in a neighbours bunker that I helped design, build, and stock.

The situation in the Middle East continues to worsen, with an all out war now a distinct possibility.
It would therefore be prudent to review fuel stocks, not just petrol but also diesel fuel, heating oil, paraffin, and bottled gas.

If you use fire wood or coal I also suggest stocking up, supplies of these fuels wont be DIRECTLY affected by events in the ME, but shortages are likely if other domestic heating fuels run short or become even more expensive.

Despite the progress made with renewables, a significant proportion of UK electricity is still produced from natural gas. Much of it imported from the ME. BE PREPARED  with alternatives.

Strike at oil refinery, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66223036
Time to prepare perhaps.
If those striking get what they want, then I expect more such disputes "if they won XX% we want the same, or a bit more"
If the strikers do not achieve their aims then I expect a prolonged dispute.

Strike at oil refinery, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66223036
Time to prepare perhaps.
If those striking get what they want, then I expect more such disputes "if they won XX% we want the same, or a bit more"
If the strikers do not achieve their aims then I expect a prolonged dispute.

We've not seen any problems at all at our local filling station...

Discount for forum members BG? 

Undated, so not immediately obvious, but I think that's an article from 2021.

Mark

Intrigued by the smorgasbord of units in the Wikipedia article TonyK linked to - it mixes ancient and modern in the same column, or even cell.

Further information is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_oil_pipeline_network#Petroleum_product_pipelines

Wikipedia supports this view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_freight_in_Great_Britain

Very limited distribution of fuel by rail these days. Most by pipeline to the distribution centres. I do not have the data.

Most petrol and diesel fuel is transported in bulk by rail, with final distribution by road to filling stations.

It may at first seem bizarre, but you can use this feature to rescue another EV with a flat battery. Not as quick as siphoning out some petrol, but in an hour or so you may be able to transfer enough energy to get them to a charge point.

If you drive an electric vehicle, then an electr....

Hang on, I'll get my coat.

If you drive a petrol car or use a petrol motorcycle, then a petrol generator has the merit that the same fuel supply may be used in either vehicle or generator. Most petrol generators have small fuel tanks and need frequent refueling.

If you drive a diesel vehicle, then a diesel generator might be best to simplify fuel storage. Whilst red diesel may be legally used in a domestic generator, I would store the more costly white diesel in order that it may lawfully be used on the road if need be. A diesel generator will often run 24 hours without refueling.

Those who have NOT already prudently stocked petrol, might need to start panic buying.

Considerable disruption to European distribution of oil and oil products is reported due to a large hacking attack on oil infrastructure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60250956

Really, broadgage?

The UK doesn't, and actually can't, even under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, run over and shoot peaceful protesters. That would illegal under the Human Rights Act 1998. HRA 1998 is the one piece of legislation that cannot be amended, superceded or ignored when enacting emergency measures under CCA 2004. Even if the protesters turned violent there wouldn't be an order to arbitrarily kill civilians. Arrests, military backed dispersal, curfews, road blocks... all yes. Shoot-to-kill? No.

Judicial processes would still function under the Civil Contingencies Act.

If you want to further enflame civil unrest then extra-judicial killing is certainly the way to go.

I was just completing my petrol station manager training at a Texaco in Portsmouth when the fuel protests/blockades of September 2000 took place, and to say that it was a baptism of fire would be somewhat of an understatement. When it ended, we were told that had it gone on any longer that we would have had to prepare - and I can still quote exactly - for a "breakdown of society event" - The situation was considered that serious.

Less than a month later I was managing my own petrol station in Gosport, and it was as if it never happened. I wouldnt want to go through the experience again though, and certainly not beyond the extent it got to in 2000.

When you combine the petrol station issue with the antics of insulate Britain around and now in London, that “breakdown of society event” may not be far off.

When you are attempting to change the way we do things that improves the environment around us you need the public on your side and right now neither the government or these protesters have them on their side.

Oh please no!!!

As has already been said, the current petrol panic is largely due to panic buying with no shortage of the fuel at depots and refineries.
That however might change. Greenpeace have blockaded the Shell oil facility at Rotterdam. If this is long continued or repeated elsewhere then there is the potential for actual shortages.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211004-greenpeace-boats-block-dutch-shell-refinery

Doesn't everyone know their 3YE-1203 from their 1T-1910?

And how much petrol was consumed in following the tanker ?
And fuel tankers have to display signs warning of the flammability of the contents, but I suppose you can not expect the average motorist to understand that.

Doesn't everyone know their 3YE-1203 from their 1T-1910?

And fuel tankers have to display signs warning of the flammability of the contents, but I suppose you can not expect the average motorist to understand that.

Fuel supplies: Mortar tanker tailed by drivers looking for petrol

A tanker driver has told how he was tailed by about 20 drivers who were dismayed to discover he was not transporting petrol.

Johnny Anderson, who drives for Weaver Haulage, was transporting 44 tonnes of mortar from Bilston, Wolverhampton, to a building site in Northamptonshire. When he reached his destination, he saw a line of traffic backed up behind him.

"The man at the front... actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker," he said.

The incident came as lengthy queues formed at forecourts amid petrol and diesel supply problems.

Mr Anderson, from Harworth, Nottinghamshire, said he was delivering cement to the David Wilson Homes development at Overstone on Thursday. He was on the A43 when he first realised he was being followed.

"I didn't notice initially but then on the dual carriageway, I noticed nobody was overtaking me and saw a string of about 20 cars behind me," he said. "When I eventually turned left into a road that would take me to the site entrance, all these cars turned left with me."

Three-quarters of a mile later, when he stopped at the site entrance, he heard car horns honking, he said. Thinking something had fallen off his vehicle, he got out and saw the queue of vehicles.

"The man at the front wound down his window and asked me which petrol station I was going to," he said. "When I said I wasn't, he asked me 'Why not?' and when I said I wasn't carrying petrol, he actually said 'You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker.'

"I couldn't believe it... I just went full McEnroe and said 'You cannot be serious!'

"Then the bloke behind asked me where the nearest petrol station was. It just beggars belief."

Mr Anderson, who has been driving double-bellied mortar tankers for about six years, said while it was "quite funny", there was also a serious side. "My cargo isn't dangerous but if they are following a petrol tanker, their training is to call the police if they think they're being followed," he said. "People need to stop and think... driving a tanker, no matter what the product, is quite a pressurised job, so following them puts extra pressure on drivers already under pressure without having to worry about absolute morons."

The number of workers on furlough has fallen steadily this year as lockdown restrictions eased and businesses reopened but the latest figures available showed about 1.6 million remained on the scheme in July.

[snip]

But the foundation's recent research suggested that a small rise in unemployment was a "real risk" for those still on the scheme as it ends, particularly older workers or those in the travel sector.

[snip]

According to Citizens Advice, people could work elsewhere while furloughed - if their employment contract allowed.
Many forecasters, including the Bank of England, are expecting a small rise in unemployment now the scheme has ended.

Passers by are amazed when they see me produce water from my butt.

If water itself is in short supply, we probably have more pressing worries than dirty cutlery.

I have an existing stash of disposable plastic cutlery for emergencies. The environmental  harm from manufacture has already been done, and nothing is to be gained by discarding the items unused.
I do not intend to buy any more plastic cutlery, any future purchases will be the biodegradable wood sort.

It's a bit hard to turn over your vegetable patch with your fingers!

Disposable cutlery should be avoided too, unless biodegradable/compostable.

I also keep a stock of very low consumption incandescent torch bulbs, these give a miserable light, but better than no light, and economise on batteries. A 2.7 volt, 0.15 amp bulb on two alkaline D cells will give over 100 hours service, and the light is sufficient for indoor use.

remembering that fingers were invented before forks.

Disposable cutlery can be useful for emergencies...

Just remember when buying candles, if you need four, it's better to ask for, "three, plus one more" in the hardware store, to avoid confusion.

Agree, I avoid hoarding or panic buying since others may thereby be deprived, and panic buying can be more expensive or entail more trouble than ordinary purchasing.

I do purchase prudent stocks, at ordinary prices, long before any panic or crisis.

I had hundreds of toilet rolls LONG BEFORE the great toilet roll panic.
I had the maximum lawful amount of petrol LONG BEFORE the last panic.

I have a large supply of logs BEFORE the next heating fuel panic.
I have half a ton of anthracite BEFORE the next panic.

Candles, paraffin, oil lamps and other supplies likewise.

Agree, I avoid hoarding or panic buying since others may thereby be deprived, and panic buying can be more expensive or entail more trouble than ordinary purchasing.

I do purchase prudent stocks, at ordinary prices, long before any panic or crisis.

I had hundreds of toilet rolls LONG BEFORE the great toilet roll panic.