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Re: French Rail Strikes
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Re: TGV driver's suicide in France
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:06, 25th December 2024
 
Wow.  That is indeed shocking.  I offer my sympathy to his family and friends. 


TGV driver's suicide in France
Posted by stuving at 19:50, 25th December 2024
 
This seems particularly shocking. I suppose strictly the element of tragedy is the same whoever is involved, but it is certainly a surprise. From france24 (and originally AFP):
Train driver's suicide causes Christmas travel delays across France

A train driver's suicide caused widespread delays on Christmas Eve and into Christmas Day in France, with some 3,000 passengers affected during the busy holiday period.

Issued on: 25/12/2024 - 17:49

The suicide by a train driver on the job has caused widespread delays in France's rail traffic, operator SNCF said Wednesday.

Some 3,000 train passengers have been affected by delays in services between Paris and southeastern France that started Tuesday and spilled over into Wednesday.

Around 10 high-speed (TGV) trains were delayed by up to five hours Tuesday after the suicide on Christmas Eve, an exceptionally busy time for travel.

The prosecutors' office in Melun, southeast of Paris, told AFP that the driver appeared to have jumped to his death from the moving train.

His body was discovered later near the tracks.

Without a driver operating the controls, the train's automatic emergency procedure kicked in, causing the train to stop, the office said.

An investigation into the circumstances of the death was ongoing.

SNCF confirmed the driver's death, saying he "committed suicide while the train was moving".

There was no threat to the safety of passengers on the train, or to services elsewhere in the network, SNCF added.

Train traffic was "resuming progressively" Wednesday, SNCF said, warning however of some possible further delays.

Re: Free public transport comes to Montpellier (count the 'l's...)
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:47, 25th October 2024
 

Montpellier does have some previous for radical action to remove cars from the city centre, going back to the time of the long-serving and somewhat dictatorial mayor Georges Frêche.


Hmm.  We used to have one of those, in Bristol. 



Re: DRAISY - a new tiny battery train from SNCF
Posted by grahame at 12:31, 6th October 2024
 
I worry about a diddy little train with a diddly little capacity going through a breathtakingly beautiful route with spectacular tunnels and viaducts which probably cost an arm and two legs to maintain.   There may be a case for the "contraflow" train where the main service is something beefier.  As ever, I 'look local" and fancy the 07:10, 09:30, 11:30, 13:30, 16:30, and 18:30 Westbury to Swindon with a 159, returning at 08:30, 10:30, 12:30, 15:30, 17:40 and 19:30, and Draisy on the 05:30, 08:30, 10:30, 12:30, 15:00, 17:30, 19:30 and 21:30, returning on the 06:30, 09:30, 11:30, 13:30, 16:00, 18:30, 20:30 and 22:30.   But I do suspect Draisy would be overwhelmed within the year.

Re: DRAISY - a new tiny battery train from SNCF
Posted by stuving at 13:46, 5th October 2024
 
As perhaps a lighter item after the gloomy posts about the resilience of Dawlish's lifts in bad weather and list of 36 scrapped/suspended rail projects - here's what SNCF propose for lightly used branch lines (perhaps an alternative for the Parry People Mover)-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SUAuxuDy1k

It reminds me of the Revolution VLR (which seems to be still ongoing, though quietly). Draisy is part of a French government programme funding ideas for decarbonisation, so rather like FOAK. The manufacturing partner is Lohr, whose main business is road-rail systems (road trailers on rail flats). It started in 2022, and they plan to have prototypes running in 2027. 

DRAISY - a new tiny battery train from SNCF
Posted by eightonedee at 13:02, 5th October 2024
 
As perhaps a lighter item after the gloomy posts about the resilience of Dawlish's lifts in bad weather and list of 36 scrapped/suspended rail projects - here's what SNCF propose for lightly used branch lines (perhaps an alternative for the Parry People Mover)-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SUAuxuDy1k

Re: Some French trains have new luggage regulations. Here’s how to avoid a fine
Posted by stuving at 11:46, 12th September 2024
 
I guess this is part of a general trend - luggage on wheels makes it possible for people to turn up with more that "as much as you can carry yourself". So unless we go back to porters and trolleys and baggage cars there will be limits.

I did wonder whether SNCF would include in this revision something to resolve the issue of double basses (discussed earlier). But no - all musical instruments and surfboards are still subject to the unmeetable 90 x 130 limit. The only items not subject to this are skis, and non-folding bicycles (with reservation and paying €10). All "special" items replace one of your two big (bag/suitcase) items.

The rules for bicycles look odd to me. Whether it is folded or not, you are allowed panniers as well (presumably filled). But while for a folded bike+panniers you only get you one item of hand luggage,
if it's wheeled on you get one big item like a suitcase too. Surely it's the cycle tourer that will be taking all they need in panniers, while you might take a folded one as an extra for a "normal" trip?

Re: Some French trains have new luggage regulations. Here’s how to avoid a fine
Posted by Electric train at 10:11, 12th September 2024
 
Having used Trenitalia a few times in the last few years the amount of luggage and other item passenger load onto trains verges on ridiculous.  It seems almot like they are moving house.

Not only are the aisle blocked but often seats occupied by luggage and then there is the time taken to load and off load the items, with the dwell times on HSS being only 2 or 3 mins delays are inevitable not to mention the usual Italian "arguments" between the passenger and officials and other passengers.

 

Re: Some French trains have new luggage regulations. Here’s how to avoid a fine
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:19, 12th September 2024
 
Eurostar limits seem reasonable but how would GWR manage a similar system if it were to be introduced (which may not be a bad idea given the type of scenarios that infoman suggests)?

Re: Some French trains have new luggage regulations. Here’s how to avoid a fine
Posted by infoman at 01:48, 12th September 2024
 
In my perfect west country World,with its IET's and cross country units.

I would like to see in the luggage compartments images of cases be shown "up right"

so that you could get three(maybe) cases in an upright position.

Travelers who plonk there cases in the "flat"  position can cause problems later in the journey when other joining passengers

plonk their cases down in the "flat" position

How many of us have seen less able  travelers trying to get their case from "the bottom of the pack" under neath two very heavy cases?

Re: Some French trains have new luggage regulations. Here’s how to avoid a fine
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:40, 11th September 2024
 
Earlier this year, Italian operator Trenitalia also proposed stricter regulations on luggage that would have limited passengers to two items per person
UK next, I wonder?

Only two surfboards, then.


Some French trains have new luggage regulations. Here’s how to avoid a fine
Posted by ChrisB at 21:17, 11th September 2024
 
From EuroNews, via MSN

France has introduced new rules regarding luggage on trains with fines for travellers who don’t comply.

Limits on the number and size of suitcases will become obligatory on France’s high-speed services in mid September.

Earlier this year, Italian operator Trenitalia also proposed stricter regulations on luggage that would have limited passengers to two items per person.

However, the proposal was contested by consumer rights groups and was withdrawn. 

What are the new luggage rules on trains in France?
In February, French national operator SNCF announced new limits for the amount and size of luggage on high speed TGV InOui and Intercité trains. 

Passengers are now limited to two large pieces of baggage measuring a maximum of 70cm x 90cm x 50cm per person plus a smaller item like a backpack or laptop case with dimensions of up to 40cm x 30cm x 15cm.
Passengers are also allowed to carry a handbag or purse. Items including pushchairs and buggies, sports equipment and musical instruments do not count towards the luggage limit.

The new regulations came into force on 15 February but without fines for noncompliance. Starting from 15 September, passengers now face a €50 fine for exceeding the allowance.

What are the existing luggage limits on French trains?
Those travelling on the TGV budget OuiGo services are already subjected to baggage regulations.

Passengers holding a standard ticket are permitted one piece of luggage measuring up to 36cm x 27cm x 15cm and one piece no bigger than 55cm x 35cm x 25cm.

Passengers can pay an extra charge to bring additional items.

Local TER trains don’t impose a luggage limit but storage space can be limited and passengers must ensure baggage is stowed safely and does not become a hazard for other travellers.

Standard and Standard Premier ticket holders on the Eurostar travelling between London and Paris are permitted two items of baggage and one handbag.

There are no weight restrictions but passengers must be able to carry and lift their suitcases without requiring assistance.

UK next, I wonder?

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:17, 1st August 2024
 
... first applied to industrial workers of a Luddite tendency.

That'll be me - albeit inadvertently: I just don't understand modern technology. 


Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TonyK at 15:03, 1st August 2024
 

My little dictionnaire étymologique probably does know better; certainly it knows different. The verb saboter once meant something like to clog (in this sense) - to stamp, make a loud noise, or shake. But now it means roughly to bodge: to work shoddily or carelessly, damaging the work or machines. So sabotage (as the verbal noun) can only be done by the workers themselves, which probably was its main sense when first applied to industrial workers of a Luddite tendency.

Of course it may turn out that this has been done by very left-wing railway workers: there certainly are some - whole unionsful of them - in France.

I am obliged - I don't own such a detailed reference work. I did understand that the word saboter derived from the word sabot, in much the same way that there is a link between the use of the English clog as verb or noun. It's all fascinating, if slightly off thread.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by stuving at 20:47, 31st July 2024
 
Now - does anyone know the French for "saboteur"?

I knew already, just a little tease. The term derives from the French sabot, a wooden clog worn by aggrieved workers, who implemented early forms of industrial action by messing things up. They didn't use the clogs to damage anything, as walking home with one bare foot was uncomfortable, but the name stuck. So I understand, others may know better.

My little dictionnaire étymologique probably does know better; certainly it knows different. The verb saboter once meant something like to clog (in this sense) - to stamp, make a loud noise, or shake. But now it means roughly to bodge: to work shoddily or carelessly, damaging the work or machines. So sabotage (as the verbal noun) can only be done by the workers themselves, which probably was its main sense when first applied to industrial workers of a Luddite tendency.

Of course it may turn out that this has been done by very left-wing railway workers: there certainly are some - whole unionsful of them - in France.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TonyK at 19:58, 31st July 2024
 
Last night a proper suspect was arrested -according to AFP and their friends in the police. Mind you, quite why anyone would be daft enough to be driving around at that time of the morning with wire cutters, SNCF keys, and the kind of literature that gets you identified as a left-wing extremist is a puzzle.
 

My thoughts too, on the literature matter. Maybe he was hoping to radicalise the cops who came for him, and hadn't thought the idea through completely.


Now - does anyone know the French for "saboteur"?

I knew already, just a little tease. The term derives from the French sabot, a wooden clog worn by aggrieved workers, who implemented early forms of industrial action by messing things up. They didn't use the clogs to damage anything, as walking home with one bare foot was uncomfortable, but the name stuck. So I understand, others may know better.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by stuving at 10:46, 29th July 2024
 
Last night a proper suspect was arrested -according to AFP and their friends in the police. Mind you, quite why anyone would be daft enough to be driving around at that time of the morning with wire cutters, SNCF keys, and the kind of literature that gets you identified as a left-wing extremist is a puzzle.

There were also a number of vandalism/sabotage cases on fibre-optic links of telecoms companies, taking out several of their services locally. There was one similar on Friday morning too, with a claim from one of the left/anarchist splinter groups (groupuscules) that have always been a French speciality.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 08:56, 29th July 2024
 
 One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist .

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:10, 29th July 2024
 

Now - does anyone know the French for "saboteur"?

Freedom fighter ? patriot ?

............always be wary of an overhead shot..........

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by broadgage at 01:43, 29th July 2024
 

Now - does anyone know the French for "saboteur"?

Freedom fighter ? patriot ?

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TonyK at 22:22, 28th July 2024
 
The senders of those messages may or may not be the perpetrators of the sabotage. If they are not, they certainly wouldn't be the first to try to take credit for someone else's handiwork. The terrorist group who committed the many outrageous murders in Moscow last March were most annoyed at the Kremlin government's attempts to attribute the attack to Ukraine. I hope the French investigators sort this one out quickly and accurately before it encourages copycat attacks.

Now - does anyone know the French for "saboteur"?

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by stuving at 09:34, 28th July 2024
 
An e-mail was sent to several media organisations yesterday claiming responsibility for these attacks, so some of its content now been made public. Obviously the timing means its source might have nothing to do with whoever did it, and one report describes it as more a message of support.

The wording, as often in such cases, comes from a particular dialect of agit-prop, here ultraleft/anarchist. It starts by saying its from a "delagation inattendue", which I take to mean an uninvited delegation to the Olympics. It criticises the games as "a celebration of nationalism, a huge staged dramatisation of the subjection of peoples by states".

Official word is that the investigators think they will know who they are looking for soon. I imagine that's based on evidence found at the sites, especially of the failed attack, rather than any incoherent message.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by stuving at 12:41, 27th July 2024
 
Often an event like this leads to reporters diving into their (virtual) cuttings file, and pulling and putting out whatever they find. If there are only previous instances of speculation based on prejudice, and no-one identified as culpable, that gets rehashed.

Politicians and the media in France are generally being quite cautious about that kind of naming the usual suspects. In the past the security types would, as in most places, have the left marked down as most likely to. But after some earlier railway sabotage (labelled "Tarnac") with a different modus operandi, they picked on a group and eventually prosecuted them. And the whole case fell apart, for want of any real evidence. So since then there has been a bit more care exhibited, in public at least, about confusing prejudice for facts.

I'm wondering about the kind of recreational rioters (aka Black Blocs) that hide in the back of big demo marches until they spot a chance to smash a load of windows. They have shown the ability to plan and organise, and get away with it, and any original political motivation has been left behind by wanting to play at secret agents. The lack of any kind of claim of or threat of further damage does suggest that strong political beliefs are not involved.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TonyK at 10:31, 27th July 2024
 
And many French families were travelling not to Paris but going on holiday elsewhere in France or further afield, and the quoted figure for disrupted journeys would reasonably include those not DIRECTLY affected but suffering from overcrowding

Exactly. The last Friday in July is traditionally the start of the départ, where Paris changes populations as those who can escape head for the coast. It's a very busy day for road and rail alike.

A lot of news oulets are reporting Russian links to this, with some naming a Russian with alleged FSB ties who has been arrested by the French. Someone (and I’ll have to be careful here) told me much earlier in the day that this was the Russians and authorities were concerned that this was only the start of things.

Every sparrow that falls in Russia these days is blamed on Ukraine. Similarly, Russia is the current first thought when looking to apportion blame for mischief elsewhere, and it could be the malefactor in this case, directly or by proxy. France, however, has a long history of protest, leading to stunts that would appal the Just Stop Oil prisoners, and one of the many groups within could be the culprit. I shall reserve judgment.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by broadgage at 10:08, 27th July 2024
 
And many French families were travelling not to Paris but going on holiday elsewhere in France or further afield, and the quoted figure for disrupted journeys would reasonably include those not DIRECTLY affected but suffering from overcrowding

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:01, 27th July 2024
 
Do the media get told to exaggerate the situation?

Okay, 15 London to Paris journeys each set has maximum 750 passengers,

 equates to 11,250 carried each day add Paris to London means 22,500 passengers each day.

Where do they get 800,000  travelers will have their travel plans disrupted?


Er.....because not everyone heading to Paris is going via that specific route?

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by infoman at 09:56, 27th July 2024
 
Do the media get told to exaggerate the situation?

Okay, 15 London to Paris journeys each set has maximum 750 passengers,

 equates to 11,250 carried each day add Paris to London means 22,500 passengers each day.

Where do they get 800,000  travelers will have their travel plans disrupted?

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:54, 27th July 2024
 
...........simply couldn't have happened in 2012, we had it all covered......

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by broadgage at 02:30, 27th July 2024
 
Russian responsibility sounds likely to me. France is AFAIK the only nation to have seriously considered sending troops to help Ukraine remove the russian invaders.

Other possibilities include militant or extreme Islam. Not that likely IMHO, Such groups tend to prefer more dramatic attacks, such as running amok with large knives or firearms and killing people at random. There have been many such attacks in France and elsewhere, including at least one on a train. 

Or perhaps home grown communist/extreme socialist groups ? Possible but not that likely in my view. I doubt that such groups have the resources and organisation to carry out several simultaneous attacks.

No matter whom is behind these attacks, they are probably pleased with the results and might well carry out repeat attacks, either in France or elsewhere.
Other groups without any connection to these attacks might well be thinking "we could do that"

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by 1st fan at 20:31, 26th July 2024
 
A lot of news oulets are reporting Russian links to this, with some naming a Russian with alleged FSB ties who has been arrested by the French. Someone (and I’ll have to be careful here) told me much earlier in the day that this was the Russians and authorities were concerned that this was only the start of things.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by stuving at 13:13, 26th July 2024
 
The nature of these sabotage attacks is pretty clear - all done at the same time and at main junctions used by TGVs. One attack (on the Sud-Est line) was spotted and they escaped, but that no doubt will give a little more evidence. In each case cables have been cut and then set on fire in ducts.

There was something similar done in January last year, and I don't recall hearing who did that. There might be a link, if only as a model to copy.

While there are always diversions on the classic lines, they don't have the capacity for what is one of SNCF's busiest days. So some trains are running with severe delays, others get cancelled. I'm sure SNCF try to manage this as best they can, but clearly a lot of people who specifically wanted to travel early today will end up being let down.

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by infoman at 11:32, 26th July 2024
 
BBC news are stating that Croisilles is the location where the live pictures are coming from, which is ten miles south of Arras.

Would the classic route be Calais-Abbeyville-Amiens-Paris,although not sure if it has over head wires though.

Having said that if you can get to Lillle then Paris is approx 140 miles(hire a car?)

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by broadgage at 11:16, 26th July 2024
 
Reports are coming in of "an incident" closing a major airport in France. I have posted re. this in the "buses and other waya to travel forum http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=28943.0

Re: French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by Phantom at 10:13, 26th July 2024
 
I have a horrible feeling that this is just the start of many problems Paris will experience today
Hopefully it goes no further than distruption

French railways falling victim to "massive" sabotage today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:08, 26th July 2024
 
https://news.sky.com/story/vandals-target-paris-olympics-by-setting-fires-to-damage-high-speed-train-routes-13184855

Also affecting Eurostar - SNCF advising people not to travel.

Someone's trying to sabotage the Olympics it would seem.

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:31, 12th July 2024
 
Compare, in the UK, Voyagers.  Just live with it!   


Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 19:35, 12th July 2024
 
This year's first attempt (no doubt more serious ones will happen during the Olympics) is unusual.
A TGV linking Paris to Nantes on Thursday had to be stopped at Sablé-sur-Sarthe (Sarthe) in the evening, because of a 'strong smell'. The firefighters were mobilized and the 1,200 passengers were evacuated.

The 1,200 travellers on a Paris-Nantes Ouigo train were evacuated on Thursday evening at Sablé-sur-Sarthe (Sarthe), due to a "strong and irritating" odour from the toilet, AFP has learned from SNCF and the prefecture.

While some made their own way onward (it was still before 9 pm) the rest were stuck for 6 hours until a replacement train arrived after 2 am. Nothing harmful was identified, so it's hard to know serious it was.

Re: Grand Paris Express - ast last!
Posted by Noggin at 08:21, 27th June 2024
 
If you want an excuse to try out the new Orly extension of Line 14, EasyJet do Bristol to Orly a couple of times a day.

Not only are the flights usually cheaper than CDG, it's usually quite a lot faster to get through Orly as well, particularly on arrival, as you don't get lumped with all the transatlantic passengers.

The other handy thing is that there are now two independent rail options (three if you include the tram) unlike CDG which just has the one RER line - when that's delayed it can be carnage.

Grand Paris Express - ast last!
Posted by stuving at 20:27, 24th June 2024
 
I thought we had a thread about the Grand Paris Express, but apparently not - just a couple of mentions in despatchesposts. It's a really big project, because it's several projects (lines) at the same time.

One of the aspects of it that should familiar from London is that, of the bits of new line originally promised for the Olympics, some have not quite made that deadline. But two bits have, just, and opened a couple of weeks ago (Métro line 11) and today (line 14). Line 11 has been extended to the east, which is not particularly useful Olympicswise.

Line 14 has been extended to the north to St Denis-Pleyel, so will serve the Stade de France. At the south end it now serves Orly airport. Both of those are going to heavily used by Olympic crowds, so will need to work right out of the box. Line 14 is in effect the first of the new high-speed Métro lines, and will be reclassified as part of Grand Paris express when that is a thing.

Re: Slow but sure. New services on France's underutilized railway lines.
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:18, 29th May 2024
 
Sounds an interesting idea, my main misgiving is the large number of stops proposed, 29 on one route !

I can see the merit of stops in order to enjoy attractions en-route, purchase food and drink ...

29 stops sounds very tedious though. Perhaps fewer might be better ?

I never thought I'd read member broadgage here complaining that 29 stops to collect food and drink was too many. 


Re: disability issues getting around Paris
Posted by stuving at 09:15, 21st May 2024
 
It would have needed a lot more than seven years notice to do much with the Metro.

RATP have followed a plan for accessibility, which is to fully adapt one mode or line at a time, starting with the less impossible ones. Trams, being the most recent, were accessible from new. They claim that so far they have made all buses in Paris intra muros accessible unaided, by raising kerbs and specifying suitable buses. Of course being accessible does not guarantee that there is room for a wheelchair - and I'm not sure how helpful Parisians are when faced with this.

RER stations as almost all accessible, but the trains need a ramp provided (and, or course, the procedure is different for their lines and the ones SNCF operate!). Metro lines will be done one at a time as rolling stock is renewed and each line upgraded - so far only the newest line (14) is available. I guess that even finding room for a lift at street level won't be easy at most stations, given how the Metro was built.

Re: disability issues getting around Paris
Posted by GBM at 04:32, 21st May 2024
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyrlr5m4rj0o
It is "absolutely scandalous" that more has not been done to improve accessibility on Paris's underground trains network ahead of the Paralympics, a leading French disability charity has said....................

disability issues getting around Paris
Posted by infoman at 04:17, 21st May 2024
 
Nicky Fox the Disability campaigner had an article on Sky news about Paris Olympics starting in July 2024.

It seems that it will be very hard to get around to the events if your in a wheelchair for the games.

Re: Slow but sure. New services on France's underutilized railway lines.
Posted by grahame at 15:03, 17th April 2024
 
Slow but sure. New services on France's underutilized railway lines.

The subject line struck me when it came up again this morning

From Amiens, 9 platforms (at least) the other day.  For the next three hours - 7 departures and all to different destinations; I had 2 hours to wait for my "connection" - arrived from Lille and onward service to Rouen only running a few times each day.  Another wait there of well over an hour for a train to Dieppe.




Re: Slow but sure. New services on France's underutilized railway lines.
Posted by stuving at 11:32, 17th April 2024
 
This lot have not been making much news for a while, but it now appears they have been trying to find backers with real useful money to spend on stuff - and failing. There is, of course, no substitute, even if you do have some keen volunteers line up. This from Railway Gazette International:
Railcoop on brink of liquidation as financing gap stymies restructuring hope

By Railway Gazette International17 April 2024

FRANCE: Open access co-operative Railcoop is expected to be formally liquidated on April 29, the company President Nicolas Debaisieux has confirmed.

The collapse of the co-operative comes after it was placed into judicial administration on October 16 for a period of up to six months. With this period now expiring, a hearing was held at the administrative court in Cahors on April 15 to begin arranging the formalities for creditors, two weeks ahead of the formal liquidation.

While this would bring to an end the idea of using a co-operative model to launch open access trains such as Railcoop’s planned Lyon – Bordeaux service, Debaisieux believes that the project could still be salvaged through outside investment. Railcoop had been planning to restructure itself into an operating business and an asset management ‘opco’.

The co-operative has been negotiating with investment fund Serena Partners and a rolling stock leasing company with a view to progressing the proposed restructuring. According to Debaisieux, these investors had secured 60% of the €11m required to establish the planned Lyon – Limoges - Bordeaux open access service, but this still left a €3·5m gap in the business plan...

Re: At least eleven dead as French TGV test train derails near Strasbourg - 14 November 2015
Posted by stuving at 19:56, 4th March 2024
 
Two SNCF employees, including the train’s driver, and one Systra employee will also be on trial, facing maximum sentences of three years in prison and fines of up to €45,000 each.
That's a bit misleading; all three of the people who collectively drove the train are on trial. The reports are not using the same terminology as the BEA-TT report (based on SNCF's documents) either. Those three were the hands-on driver, a driver manager who told him what to do and when, and a Systra engineer who handed over the "script" to the other two and then was meant to monitor the trial and answer technical questions. 

Re: At least eleven dead as French TGV test train derails near Strasbourg - 14 November 2015
Posted by stuving at 12:58, 4th March 2024
 
As expected, Systra has been mis en examen (roughly charged) and SNCF is expected to follow in a few days. That allows for formal questioning, though how cautioning works with a company I'm not sure.

Finally, with all the urgency we've come to expect of the French legal system, the trial of several bits of SNCF, including Systra, began today. Here from RFI:
Trial of deadly 2015 high speed train crash opens in Paris

The French national rail operator, SNCF, along with two of its subsidiaries and three rail workers are due to appear at the Paris criminal court at the start of a two month trial for their role in the accident involving a high speed TGV train on a test run in 2014 that left 11 people dead and 42 injured.

Issued on: 04/03/2024 - 11:53

The SNCF and its subsidiaries Systra and SNCF Réseau are on trial for “injury and involuntary homicide” for the 14 November 2015 accident that killed 11 of the 53 people on board the train and injured everyone else.

The defendants are facing 88 civil parties, including survivors who were not employees, but were on board the train anyway.

The crash occurred near Strasbourg, in eastern France, on what was supposed to be the final test run of the new high-speed line connecting the city with Paris.

The train struck a bridge and derailed, breaking in two as it landed in the Marne-Rhine canal.

Systra, the company responsible for railway tests, is being prosecuted for its decision to try a test speed of 330 kilometres – the train’s upper limit - rather than the 187 kilometre per hour operating speed.

A 2017 investigation that lead to the charges against the defendants concluded the train’s drivers had not received the necessary training to carry out such high-speed tests.
Non-employees on board

The three companies are accused of failing to take precautions to prevent “inappropriate actions of the driving team in terms of braking”.

On board the train were employees as well as their guests, including four children, and one of the questions in the trial is why non-employees were on board.

SNCF and Systra, as the test operators, and the project owner, SNCF Réseau, face fines of up to €225,000 if found guilty in the trial that runs through 16 May.

Two SNCF employees, including the train’s driver, and one Systra employee will also be on trial, facing maximum sentences of three years in prison and fines of up to €45,000 each.

During the investigation, the lawyers for all the defendants suggested that they would be pleading for acquittal.

Including the driver in this trial seems particularly harsh, given what he's been through and how responsibility was described in the report as lying mainly with others. No doubt there would have been others but they wel killed in the accident.

Mind you, I don't think (without thoroughly revising the subject) the points picked out in that piece are the key ones. They may of course be present in a much longer legal text.

Open access operators in France
Posted by stuving at 16:17, 2nd March 2024
 
We had news of Railcoop before, trying to set up a worker-owned operator of long-distance regional trains.

There are also two groups setting up similar operations but of high-speed trains. All of these are slowly working their way through the required steps: approval by the regulator (ART), negotiation of a track access agreement with SNCF Réseau, raising their starting capital, and signing a deal with a manufacturer to buy the trains (not in that order).

Le Train wants to operate in the west of France, linking Nantes with Bordeaux partly on LGVs but not going via Paris. They have a deal with Talgo for ten trains, for delivery by 2025.

Kevin Speed (no, really!) aim to do a Lumo, more or less, from Paris to Lille, Strasbourg, and Lyon. The are touting very low prices (down to €3), and targeting frequent travellers with a discount based on recent ussage. They have just announced an access deal with SNCF Réseau, and got a lot of TV coverage from it, but don't have a deal for trains yet. Their trains will be branded "ilisto" - I have no idea why. ("Kevin" has become quite popular as a name in France recently, and has a "popular", as opposed to elitist, image.)

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 19:45, 20th January 2024
 
And if it's a freezing cold January evening? An Intercités (so locomotive-hauled) train left Paris-Bercy for Clermont-Ferrand at 18:57 last night, due to arrive 22:31. But the loco broke down and its back-up had to come from Paris. So it was stuck with 700 passengers and no power - no heat or light - until the local fire & rescue and Red Cross turned up with emergency supplies of survival blankets and food.

Which isn't good, obviously. But why it was rated as a life-threatening incident is less clear. Help arrived after 2.5 hours, and the internal temperature never got below about 10o - so were there really passenger without seasonable outer clothing? The rescue dragged the train back to a station (Montargis) before swapping locos, which took time, so they arrived at 6:20. I assume these old Corail carriages at least have toilets that work without electricity!

From SNCF's viewpoint, they will shortly get some new trains for these services (TGVs adapted to not be TGVs). The current materiel is thus on a make do and mend programme until withdrawal, and of course failures get more frequent.


Free public transport comes to Montpellier (count the 'l's...)
Posted by stuving at 13:26, 21st December 2023
 
The introduction of free travel travel on the city's public transport network was announced some time ago, but today is the first day of full operation. From Euronews (last month):
Montpellier is getting ready to launch its free public transport scheme ahead of Christmas.

Montpellier in southern France is getting ready to introduce free public transport on 21 December.

It will become the largest French metropolis to boast such a scheme.

From next month, local residents will be able to utilise a free transport pass across the city’s bus and tram network. The scheme aims to slash emissions, reduce pollution and improve accessibility for the city’s residents.

“By introducing free transport, we are bold in taking a great measure of social justice, of progress, which works for the ecological transition,” tweeted the mayor of Montpellier, Michaël Delafosse when the scheme was announced earlier this year.

Montpellier has been experimenting with free transport on weekends since September 2020. In 2021, it extended this to weekdays for under-18s and over-65s.

The further extension of the scheme is part of the city’s €150 million push for zero carbon mobility, which also includes investment in cycle lanes and the creation of a low emissions zone.
Where else has free transport in France?

Montpellier is far from being a trailblazer. In fact, French towns and cities have been rolling out such schemes since the country’s transport management was decentralised in 2015.

However the majority of these have less than 150,000 inhabitants.

With almost 200,000 inhabitants, Dunkirk is the largest city to have embraced free transport so far. After it introduced fare-free bus routes in 2018, passenger numbers increased by an average of 85 per cent.

In this case it does not extend to trains, which the city does not run - and in any case the TER service is limited. Just one line along the coast, serving some villages, though trains are quite frequent. To benefit, residents have to go to the appropriate office and get a pass of the kind previously restricted to just the deserving (by age, mostly). Visitors still need a ticket, so presumably the existing purchase methods will continue - at least for now.

The step up from Dunkerque is not that big really - less than double the population - but Montpellier ranks as a city not a town. Montpellier does have some previous for radical action to remove cars from the city centre, going back to the time of the long-serving and somewhat dictatorial mayor Georges Frêche.

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by stuving at 15:34, 13th December 2023
 
Ah, Saint-Denis près Martel. Looks like that's now the lower end of the preserved railway the 'Chemin-de-fer touristique du Haute Quercy', which may still offer, as well as travel over an ambitious piece of railway engineering, the experience of being in an open sided carriage behind a small steam loco doing its best in a curved single track tunnel on a steep climb, the loco exhaust somehow being very well behaved and confining itself to the roof of the tunnel. Mostly.

The publicity for the train touristique says it goes to Saint-Denis lès Martel, but only so as to come back again. Historically the commune was Saint-Denis lès Martel, but the station half a mile away was named Saint-Denis près Martel - presumably on the grounds that lès was Occitan not French. So it's hard to say where the train reverses.

This is the upper valley of the Dordogne, and that river has had its turn to flood this week (there's been an awful lot of it about in France for well over a month). I've not heard this area mentioned, but the stream next to Saint-Denis is ominously named la Tourmente.

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by Mark A at 14:02, 13th December 2023
 
*Finds the route* OK, the Aurillac train will use infrastructure such as this. (The overbridge at the tunnel portal is the same road that crosses the line, hairpin-bend-climbing the valley side...)

Yes, a bit rustic, isn't it? Of course the minimalist railway line still leads to a proper-sized station in Aurillac.

And the train fits that rustic image - three carriages tacked on the end of the existing night train to Rodez (and Albi on Fridays), where it stays for five hours before its final trundle up to Aurillac. It calls at the major metropolises of Laroquebrou, Bretenoux-Biars and Saint-Denis près Martel.

Ah, Saint-Denis près Martel. Looks like that's now the lower end of the preserved railway the 'Chemin-de-fer touristique du Haute Quercy', which may still offer, as well as travel over an ambitious piece of railway engineering, the experience of being in an open sided carriage behind a small steam loco doing its best in a curved single track tunnel on a steep climb, the loco exhaust somehow being very well behaved and confining itself to the roof of the tunnel. Mostly.

Mark

https://trainduhautquercy.info/the-journey-railway/?lang=en



Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by stuving at 12:55, 13th December 2023
 
Now wondering if a: accompanied bikes would be ok and b: if they are, whether there'd be the same shenanigans imposed as at Edinburgh, where passengers with cycles, when the train is divided, are required to be up and about to transfer them between portions.

Mark

Somewhere I saw, in a description of the new generation of sleeper stock, that they include space for bicycles. The French services are still using 70s Corail coaches, albeit done up. I imagine the new ones they are ordering are likely to be the same as in Austria etc.

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by Mark A at 09:30, 13th December 2023
 
Now wondering if a: accompanied bikes would be ok and b: if they are, whether there'd be the same shenanigans imposed as at Edinburgh, where passengers with cycles, when the train is divided, are required to be up and about to transfer them between portions.

Mark

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by stuving at 22:39, 12th December 2023
 
*Finds the route* OK, the Aurillac train will use infrastructure such as this. (The overbridge at the tunnel portal is the same road that crosses the line, hairpin-bend-climbing the valley side...)

Yes, a bit rustic, isn't it? Of course the minimalist railway line still leads to a proper-sized station in Aurillac.

And the train fits that rustic image - three carriages tacked on the end of the existing night train to Rodez (and Albi on Fridays), where it stays for five hours before its final trundle up to Aurillac. It calls at the major metropolises of Laroquebrou, Bretenoux-Biars and Saint-Denis près Martel.

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by Mark A at 21:00, 12th December 2023
 
*Finds the route* OK, the Aurillac train will use infrastructure such as this. (The overbridge at the tunnel portal is the same road that crosses the line, hairpin-bend-climbing the valley side...)

Mark

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9799216,2.0284642,3a,75y,272.68h,83.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdE9boWfjTG6DhC7nvsZ4wQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e2?entry=ttu

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by Mark A at 20:45, 12th December 2023

Re: Macron announces big investment in French railways
Posted by stuving at 19:50, 12th December 2023
 
Two more night train services from Paris started at the weekend - to Aurillac on Sunday and from Berlin (with Nightjet) yesterday. Like other night trains they offer seats, couchettes, and cabins, (also typically) neither runs every night. The news report I saw of the Aurillac ones - reintroduced after a gap of 20 years - was convinced these trains would be going de-dum de-dum (which sounds very similar in French).

Re: EU Members stop accidently at Disneyland Paris
Posted by Kernow Otter at 14:21, 18th October 2023
 
Increasingly difficult to differentiate between the two Mickey Mouse organizations.

Re: EU Members stop accidently at Disneyland Paris
Posted by CyclingSid at 06:47, 18th October 2023
 
If it was our lot you would just assume it was a visit to a different fantasy land!

EU Members stop accidently at Disneyland Paris
Posted by GBM at 07:56, 17th October 2023
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67129490

Hundreds of members and staff of the European Parliament had a surprise when their train from Brussels to the French city of Strasbourg ended up at Disneyland Paris instead.

Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by Sulis John at 13:51, 2nd October 2023
 
Two trains scheduled to depart in opposite directions may well be a frequent occurrence if you have services terminating from opposite directions and not running through. Think Ormskirk and mentally remove the buffer stops, for example.

Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by stuving at 12:12, 2nd October 2023
 
Joining still done at Plymouth.

And lots of other places, both here and in France - which was the point of the question "why are SNCF making such a big fuss?".

The key seems to be in the claim that making this a signalled move saves a lot of time. That does not seem to be the case, or not so marked, her so I guess the rules in France are more restrictive and cautious. If so, that is one reason there would be less reason to do it here, though I'm sure here are those who would advocate it just to reduce the risk.

The other reason given, that it's a cheap alternative to building platforms, applies much more in France. At Rennes the platforms are all 400 m long, and apart from double-length TGVs there can't be many trains that long. However, the same logic does apply here, for the short local/regional trains we have.

The final selection criterion is having congestion and  suitable movements: basically two trains leaving in opposite directions. That can't be very common here or in France.

Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by eightonedee at 12:10, 2nd October 2023
 
Also happens (or used to before I retired last year!) on the bay platforms 4-6 at Reading. Sometimes two North Downs trains would be on one platform, so confused passengers would try to get in the nearer/inner one only to be shooed further up the platform to join "the front train". On one occasion in the evening we arrived at one of the platforms behind an SWT train that was due to depart shortly (so therefore in front of it from a departure point of view) resulting in loud unhappy comments from its crew.

Back in the 1980s, a late train back home from London would involve a change for Tilehurst, then my home station. On Platform 8 (if I recall the old numbering correctly - the through platform on the relief lines on the central island platforms) there would be a single car "Bubble Car") that would be the stopping train towards Didcot on the west end, and a 3-car unit at the eastern end that would be a "stopper" back towards London. The west facing bay platform 6 (remember that?) was occupied by a Midland region unit that was the something past one unit that stopped everywhere on the way to Birmingham and connected unofficially with the Midnight Riviera for those who ignored "pick-up only" at Reading for an even later train home!


Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by GBM at 09:46, 2nd October 2023
 
Joining still done at Plymouth.

Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by grahame at 09:44, 2nd October 2023
 
Indeed. Until recently they used St Andrews Crosses rather than signal lights. And the trains don't even necessarily need to be going in opposite directions; I've been stuck on a northbound train on an even-numbered platform (i.e. at the country end) waiting for another northbound train on the odd-numbered end of the same platform to leave to clear our path.

I have noticed that trains on even-numbered platforms seem to stop a long way short of the 'join', sometimes beyond the canopy, which can be irksome!

Stacking is not new ... it was even done routinely at platform 2 in Swindon from December 2013, with a 2 car 150 parked up on long turnover on the Cheltenham service parked against the buffers while a single carriage 153 buzzed in from Westbury and back out at the extreme end of the platform.  That has now changed, with the Cheltenham trains running to / from London, and the Westbury service of necessity now 2 or 3 carriages.

Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by Red Squirrel at 09:37, 2nd October 2023
 
Indeed. Until recently they used St Andrews Crosses rather than signal lights. And the trains don't even necessarily need to be going in opposite directions; I've been stuck on a northbound train on an even-numbered platform (i.e. at the country end) waiting for another northbound train on the odd-numbered end of the same platform to leave to clear our path.

I have noticed that trains on even-numbered platforms seem to stop a long way short of the 'join', sometimes beyond the canopy, which can be irksome!

Re: "Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by Noggin at 21:54, 1st October 2023
 
Ummm, isn't this what they do many, many times a day at Temple Meads?

"Two trains in the same platform" at Rennes
Posted by stuving at 15:23, 25th September 2023
 
I wonder why SNCF have been making such a big fuss about their new mid-platform signals at Rennes, permitting "two trains in the same platform" (2TMV). This appears, from limited evidence, to be fully signalled platform sharing. There are also platform markings, of course, and rather complicated ones by the look of it. After Rennes, this will be rolled out across other suitable stations - not just short of capacity, but with long platforms and a suitable mix of train lengths and  movements. They seem to be aiming at two trains that depart in opposite directions, so either one or (more likely) both must be originating.

Apparently at Rennes they could previously manage to share platforms only seven times a day "for safety reasons", presumably because of the extra times and staff needed to supervise the permissive working. This kind of signalling is described as already in use in Germany and Switzerland, and the Rennes project has cost 12.6 M€.

Only French reports so far; here's a couple of older ones from 20 Minutes and SNCF, and a new picture from Le Parisien.



Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 14:11, 25th September 2023
 
If that thunderstorm didn't count, then this is this year's pagaille à la gare Montparnasse - and it's a bit late for the holiday season, or even its heatwave extension. So yes, once again it was the line out of Paris Montparnasse that was affected, with no electricity for all of Sunday afternoon. A break in a cable at the entrance of a tunnel at Massy was blamed,  though it's not clear what sort of cable or tunnel was meant.

Massy is a kind of Old Oak Common about 12 kn from Montparnasse, and 10 km further down the line (Marcoussis) there was a train stuck in a tunnel for five hours. For some reason this was not only evacuated (on foot) but a rescue train was needed for the passengers. That may be a consequent or separate train failure, but in any case it was a mess inside due to five hours enforced occupation by the passengers (who were somewhere else by then).

Services recovered during Sunday night, though some were very late arriving. Monday morning services were predicted to be all OK, but in fact significant delays have been reported. This sort of thing has now happened so often that "SNAFU" describes it exactly. Do the French use a literal translation of that? No, apparently it's still Snafu.

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by Kempis at 22:34, 18th September 2023
 
We had to transfer from the Gare du Nord to the Gare d'Austerlitz in August, to catch the night train to Briançon. Line 5 of the Métro is direct (there's a bit of a walk at Austerlitz, perhaps because of the building works there), and you can buy Métro tickets from the buffet on the Eurostar.

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by eightonedee at 18:10, 18th September 2023
 
Following the posts above,  I do urge anyone thinking of taking the train to the south ( or even the west) of France to investigate changing at Lille. My wife and I have had three trips to Avignon and one each to Bordeaux and Lyons and it has "worked a treat". You simply take a lift or stairs to the upper level and descend to the departure platform when your onward train is due.

We once had to walk from Lille Flandres to Lille Europe for a return connection,  but compared to the hassle of crossing Paris on the Metro that was a small inconvenience.

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by Mark A at 17:59, 18th September 2023
 
If time and luggage allows, there are several easy walks to be had. Gare du Nord and Est are practically in each others laps. Saint Lazare isn't quite straightforward to find, and Montparnasse is a bit of a hike, but for the others, from the Gare du Nord, one approach is to head in the direction of the Gare d'Est, go a bit further, pick up the canal and then track that south to the Place de la Bastille.

Gare de Lyon is easy from there, while for Austerlitz, keep on through the Place de la Bastille, pick up the canal as it emerges from underground, and head down to the Seine, across the bridge and there's the station.

Mark

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by infoman at 17:12, 18th September 2023
 
When I travelled from the U.K. to Marseille in 2016,I changed at Lille,not sure if the service still runs though.

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:08, 18th September 2023
 
I'd go along with one of the quotes in the article that recommends bus 91 as a way of getting from Gare du Nord to Gare de Lyon - without the nastiness of the RER.

And indeed, after Gare du Lyon, it continues to Gare Montparnasse. But it looks as if RATP have been thinking about the needs of the station-to-station traffic because it calls at Gare de l'Est on the way.

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by ChrisB at 16:42, 18th September 2023
 
There is an onwards Tfl service from OOC

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by grahame at 16:33, 18th September 2023
 
Well, of course. French railways have always been, obviously enough, built for .... Parisians.

Indeed. the British equivalent is arriving into Waterloo from ... Portsmouth or Southampton or Salisbury ... to continue on via Eurostar.  The same is many huge cities which were there before the railways came and they terminated outside the built up area.    On that basis why is HS2 coming in to Old Oak rather that terminating at Amersham with an onward TfL service?

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by ChrisB at 15:04, 18th September 2023
 
And as Simon Calder was told, many times, on x/Twitter when he launched this article, the clever people change at Lille for the south of France, rather than Paris.

Re: Crossing Paris
Posted by stuving at 14:30, 18th September 2023
 
From The Independent

Why is it so difficult to change trains in Paris to reach the south of France?

Rail travel to the south of France should be the norm. But a significant impediment to luring airline passengers is that most journeys from the UK to the French Mediterranean coast require a change of trains – and stations – in Paris.

Eurostar from London arrives at the Gare du Nord. High-speed TGVs for the south leave from the equally magnificent Gare de Lyon.

Well, of course. French railways have always been, obviously enough, built for .... Parisians.

Crossing Paris
Posted by grahame at 14:18, 18th September 2023
 
From The Independent

Why is it so difficult to change trains in Paris to reach the south of France?

Rail travel to the south of France should be the norm. But a significant impediment to luring airline passengers is that most journeys from the UK to the French Mediterranean coast require a change of trains – and stations – in Paris.

Eurostar from London arrives at the Gare du Nord. High-speed TGVs for the south leave from the equally magnificent Gare de Lyon.

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 19:40, 29th July 2023
 
You may have worked out this is chassé-croisé weekend, so there must have been a massive disruption of the trains. This year it was not (or not yet!) due to the heat itself, but the violent storms that the heat has set off. A lightning strike near Paris took out the signals on the LGV from Paris-Montparnasse (again!) yesterday afternoon, and while it was declared fixed by 19:30 there was by then a big backlog.

SNCF say that no trains were cancelled as a result, but they were leaving an hour or two late and where staff ran out of hours some were far later than that arriving. Still, not so bad for one of these panne géante things. And if your trip is the start of a three or four week holiday, a few hours delay will soon be forgotten.

Re: Puy de Dome cog/rack railway
Posted by Rob S at 11:11, 10th July 2023
 

 I hope they don't start installing one on Alpe d'Huez, Mont Ventoux or the Tourmalet 

Puy de Dome cog/rack railway
Posted by Marlburian at 17:23, 9th July 2023
 
Just finishing watching today's fantastic day's racing up the Puy de Dome in the Tour de France. As a sidelight the cog/rack railway was of interest, though I did wonder about its intrusiveness into the natural landscape, especially the large overhead girders at the terminus near the summit.

Before the modern railway was laid (1986)

At least one the trains had been re-painted to honour the Tour.

Highlights on ITV4 at 1900 tonight - and on Eurosport 1 at 2000.

Re: Another accident at a French level crossing involving a "convoi exceptionnel"
Posted by stuving at 16:40, 25th June 2023
 
They are still at it - after a bit of a lull. On Monday evening, a TER from Epinal to Belfort struck a convoi exceptionnel transportant un mât d’éolienne near Le Clerjus. A dozen minor injuries among the passengers; nothing worse than a broken ankle.

I think that rather lucky result was because, while the road is at nearly 45o, the low loader was pushed at one end and straightened up. It also meshed with the train, which wasn't pushed onto its side, but just stopped very quickly.

Very few pictures; the best is from Vosges Matin (credit DR):


As to what this mast of a wind turbine really was, I've seen a prefabricated section on the road. Whether it could be a whole mast - presumably 80-100 m and at least as many tonnes - I'm not sure. The carrier is LASO, the big Portuguese haulier, which has been expanding across Europe recently (including opening in the UK recently). You'd think they would be reasonably clued up about the very variable rules on his kind of transport across Europe, but even so ...

Crossing 51 is not really close to Le Clerjus (or indeed anywhere); it's just the commune. The closest station is at a hamlet with the oh-so-French name of Bains-les-Bains.

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 12:35, 10th June 2023
 
It's holiday season already, isn't it, even if not yet the peak months of July and August. So guess what happens. Yesterday there was an interruption to services out of Gare Montparnasse (local as well as main line). Its cause is a bit mysterious, since there are reports of explosions at the site (Saint-Arnoult), but SNCF say a bird hit a train and then the caténaire. That train was not much delayed, they say, but services were stopped for at least a couple of hours and delayed for most of the evening.

There were also issues at gare du Nord: a train/supply failure in the station throat yesterday, and a broken caténaire on Thursday. So, not too serious as these things go - I guess they are just limbering up for high summer!

Re: 100 B€ to be spent on French regional railways
Posted by Noggin at 19:54, 3rd March 2023
 
There's a little more substance at https://www.railtech.com/infrastructure/2023/02/28/new-railway-deal-for-france-100-billion-by-2040/?gdpr=accept

Bear in mind with French public transport that there's a "Versement Transport" - basically a payroll tax of 2.85% in Greater Paris and a bit less elsewhere which gives some fairly big pots of cash to pay for this stuff.

Much as with the UK, there's a huge amount of income inequality between Paris and the French provincial cities, whilst the big cities are overcrowded and short of housing, so there's probably an element of a "leveling up" agenda.

100 B€ to be spent on French regional railways
Posted by stuving at 16:03, 24th February 2023
 
I posted about last November's announcement of "RER métropolitain" plans as a minor point in another thread, not thinking it would amount to much. Well, it has amounted to a much bigger announcement, at least. From Reuters:
France plans to invest 100 billion euros in rail infrastructure by 2040

PARIS, Feb 24 (Reuters) - France plans to invest 100 billion euros in rail transport by 2040 as part of a government push to reduce the country’s carbon footprint, the government said on Friday.

The plan, aimed at expanding and upgrading the rail network, includes launching express commuter trains similar to the Paris RER system in major cities, Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne said.

The announcement seeks to tackle perceived inequalities between Paris and other parts of the country when it comes to public infrastructure, exacerbated by soaring energy costs that have made transport expensive for millions of commuters.

Of course pre-announcement of a lot of spending can be quite cheap, even more so if it's also partly a re-announcement. It's finding the cash when it's needed that hurts. Mind you, French governments have a better record for actually carrying out their expensive promises than ours. And as usual for French infrastructure projects, they will be raiding other piggy-banks as well as their own:
France would make the planned investments together with national rail operator SNCF, the European Union and local governments, she [Elisabeth Borne] said.




Re: French Rail Strikes
Posted by stuving at 12:16, 29th January 2023
 
The refund/rebooking plus "exceptional" 200% compensation applies to SNCF-marketed services: TGV(INOUI/OUIGO) and Intercités, which are all reserved places. For TERs they refer you to the relevant region. But that 200% whether you travel or not, for which e-mails are already going out, is obviously a big safety net, like the guarantees offered during Covid-time, to encourage customers to trust the proven untrustworthy.

That souped-up compensation was so different from the standard one that a new system was set up to process claims. And guess what - it doesn't work properly (yet)! One explanation is that a quarter of the 200,000 claimants had cancelled their tickets, meaning the record of it was deleted and manual processing is needed. But a lot of the rest are still waiting, or (for example) making new claims/complaints for the replacement of vouchers that were incorrectly made out and in some cases invalid.

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 12:25, 26th January 2023
 
SNCF did, indeed, get around half their services running on most lines from yesterday morning, and most of the rest by the afternoon. That looks impressive, since those trains were running while a lot of the wires were being worked on.

Assuming these installations are reasonably modern, wire wires can't be going very far - anything beyond the (very large) track network at Vaires would go by fibre, or at least trunk interconnection. So presumably it's a matter of how many tracks through Vaires can be got working. That still implies a lot of flexibility, to run through an area with half its signalling being worked on.

One odd point in the reporting is that one line affected was that to La Ferté-Milon, and that's the last non-electrified line in the Ile-de-France. The wording suggests that was a reason it was running, so I guess some (at least) of the cables controlled the OLE power. Maybe that makes it easier.

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 19:44, 24th January 2023
 
Maybe sabotage isn't as rare as I thought. There were two similar events in 2021: in June near Valence and in October in four places at once, all on LGVs. I don't think any culprit has ever been identified.

And one correction to the earlier report: it's now clear it was 48 cables, so must be 600 wires or circuits, that were involved. So repair of most of that overnight and during tomorrow is plausible.

Re: If it's an August weekend, there must be a TGV on fire ...
Posted by stuving at 15:42, 24th January 2023
 
Today services from the Gare Paris Est were hit for an unusual reason - sabotage. Overnight someone opened some cable ducts and cabinets, poured petrol on the cables, and lit it. The result was the destruction (as working cables) of 600 cables in 48 conduit channels. This was near a major signalling centre at Vaires-sur-Marne, controlling the line out of Paris Est, so all services are cancelled, except Transilien via Émerainville and a few TGVs switched to Paris Nord. Maybe tomorrow, maybe not is the current estimate for resumption.

The news media (and SNCF and the government) have studiously avoided so far suggesting it might be linked to the current round of protest/agitation about pensions. But that must be a possibility, bearing in mind that it might not even be the fringe of the political groups, more the hangers-on who are always looking to have a bit of a riot or smash things.

There was another railway news item today that has got pushed to the side, as if there is a quota for railway news.That was a TER on the line up the valley to Moutiers that hit, and cut in half, a coach at a level crossing (at Cevins). The bus was empty, and its driver the only serious casualty, but the train was ripped open and a few passengers were injured. The coach driver may be able to explain why he was apparently stuck on the crossing.

Re: serious incident at Gara du Nord
Posted by infoman at 19:13, 11th January 2023
 
Was I wrong to post this info on the trip advisor sight?

Re: serious incident at Gara du Nord
Posted by Electric train at 17:03, 11th January 2023
 
https://news.sky.com/story/paris-attack-man-neutralised-by-police-after-several-injured-at-gare-du-nord-12784080


Within a minute, off-duty police officers returning home from a night shift shot the attacker three times.

I am not sure whether to be worried, or reassured by that statement - an OFF-DUTY policeman carrying a gun!


It's not uncommon for Police Officer in Europe to keep their fire arms at home when not on duty

Re: serious incident at Gara du Nord
Posted by grahame at 15:28, 11th January 2023
 
I am not sure whether to be worried, or reassured by that statement - an OFF-DUTY policeman carrying a gun!

Gun culture varies the world over; be informed rather than just worried or re-assured?  An opposite extreme to the UK is the USA ... and I have stories I could tell; I have had a gun waved at me a couple of times by young Americans (and I would wager that both were loaded). So ... off duty police being armed (and I have a close encounter there too)  if just "deep breath and do nothing silly" - at least the deputy sheriff in question was trained, which one of the youths probably was not!

I'm noting in the US news that a 6 year old shot his teacher the other day.

Re: serious incident at Gara du Nord
Posted by PhilWakely at 13:02, 11th January 2023
 
https://news.sky.com/story/paris-attack-man-neutralised-by-police-after-several-injured-at-gare-du-nord-12784080


Within a minute, off-duty police officers returning home from a night shift shot the attacker three times.

I am not sure whether to be worried, or reassured by that statement - an OFF-DUTY policeman carrying a gun!

Re: serious incident at Gara du Nord
Posted by GBM at 07:49, 11th January 2023
 
https://news.sky.com/story/paris-attack-man-neutralised-by-police-after-several-injured-at-gare-du-nord-12784080

serious incident at Gare du Nord
Posted by infoman at 07:09, 11th January 2023
 
several persons injured at the station and a person has been neutralised.

Breaking news from Sky news.

(Edited to correct station name in case of ambiguity)

Re: French Rail Strikes
Posted by TonyK at 15:06, 23rd December 2022
 
Think of the inflation that would stoke, as people rush to invest in First Class Anytime Returns, confident of rapidly doubling their money!

It would be my luck to buy four 1st Class Anytime from Nice to Calais, then read that the strike has been called off at the last minute.

Re: French Rail Strikes
Posted by stuving at 13:09, 23rd December 2022
 
The refund/rebooking plus "exceptional" 200% compensation applies to SNCF-marketed services: TGV(INOUI/OUIGO) and Intercités, which are all reserved places. For TERs they refer you to the relevant region. But that 200% whether you travel or not, for which e-mails are already going out, is obviously a big safety net, like the guarantees offered during Covid-time, to encourage customers to trust the proven untrustworthy.

In fact this strike, caused by a group of controlleurs, but negotiated by the unions for them, has just been settled. That is too late to save Christmas, but removes the threat of similar at New Year. Unless of course someone else wants to join in!

Re: French Rail Strikes
Posted by brooklea at 11:51, 23rd December 2022
 
Think of the inflation that would stoke, as people rush to invest in First Class Anytime Returns, confident of rapidly doubling their money!

 
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