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Machine intelligence - rail could make better use for passenger information
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [379696/32514/51]
Posted by grahame at 09:07, 18th September 2026
 
Artificial Intelligence / un-intelligence has been with us for years - though it's now multiple order of magnitudes more powerful and sophisticated.   I can look back to around 1980 and a research project at UMIST which was logging / registering lift usage (see, I was into guided transport in those days - all be it vertical) to help program for vehicles (lifts) to be at the optimum place to provide efficiency in numbers and speeds of wait times, loadings and journeys.   It is with us on rail, but still makes a laughing stock of itself from time to time - look at this from Wednesday evening:


That's two trains from the same platform at the same time - no, I don't think so!  I - predicted to the folks I was with - that the Swindon train would be 4 or 5 minutes late and, sure, it was.  Not a problem for any of us.

Here are two screen shots from earlier in the evening:



Really - the "this train is delayed by 1 minute" stuff is really a case of TMI (too much information) ... and by saying "DELAYED" without any qualification seems designed to worry.    Sure, that reverted a few minutes later to "On Time" ...

And look at this when we arrived in Trowbridge:


Nothing automated in there - just an out of date / missing notice.   Someone has clearly identified the need for people arriving to know how to call a taxi, but all the work / cost of putting in a notice board is of no presesnt use when the frame is empty.  "We know you need taxi numbers, but we're not supplying them".  Think that ONE sign saying "Taxi Phone Numbers" rather than three close to each other would have sufficed, and the cost saving could have been invested in supplying the actual data - or how about a dymanic screen that tells you which taxis are running at the time and with availability?  Or dare I suggest Uber, who have identified the market

Re: Barnstaple to Exeter overcrowding, September 2026
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [379695/32479/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:05, 18th September 2026
 
I've got it. 

From the BBC:

...

On a drizzly morning at Barnstaple station Sky, from Braunton, and her friend Sofia, from Westward Ho!, are not looking forward to the daily challenge of trying to get a seat on the 07:22 train service from Barnstaple to Exeter - known as the Tarka Line.

Sofia said: "My dad spent over £300 for a monthly term pass but then you're still being kicked off the train.  So you then just have to go onto the coach after spending that much money."  She added: "It's just a bit of a scam really."

Sky said she had to get a train from Braunton at 06:50 to get to Barnstaple in time for the connecting train.  She said: "Sometimes you get kicked off the train then you have to wait an hour for the next one."


 

Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379694/32449/20]
Posted by grahame at 08:36, 18th September 2026
 
Melksham 2035?

That's the plan ... should include an [AI] tag:
  Post includes AI generated content (?)
but I have only just programmed that option in to the Coffee Shop.

Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [379693/27482/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 08:35, 18th September 2026
 
Yes - those two posts have been merged into this one here.

The software we use on this forum is slightly limited in terms of making such adjustments apparent.

CfN. 


Re: Barnstaple to Exeter overcrowding, September 2026
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [379692/32479/24]
Posted by Mark A at 08:28, 18th September 2026
 
See if you can land this article before it's edited to correct a reference to a 'Train from Braunton'.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c933k8eypknpo

Re: Isles of Scilly sea ferry and air services - merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [379691/11098/5]
Posted by old original at 08:27, 18th September 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
I remember a crossing to St Peter Port, Guernsey, from Weymouth back in the late 1980s on the "Condor" hydrofoil.  There is no way you could describe it as "comfortable" even though the sea was moderate.  There was much swaying, bumping and banging.  Good fun for the seasoned traveller.  Less so for those who had to resort to the brown bags supplied

Thanks for stirring that memory, Witham Bobby.

In my case, I was on the "Condor" from Weymouth to Jersey, sometime in the 1990s, I think.  I didn't have to resort to the brown bags, but I did have to go out on deck in the fresh air and grip the handrail, with white knuckles, to compose myself. 



I did Poole - Guernsey on the ex Condor high speed cat back in April and was surprised how much that swayed around the place on not a particularly lumpy sea. I've felt better on the Scillonian!!

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379690/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:22, 18th September 2026
 
I don’t really know why they bother listing ‘long forms’ to be honest.

This morning

05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10

Facilities on the 05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:10.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 2.

Elements of "Long form" are worth having, though perhaps as an explanatory link.   Difficult one where they're looking for a common text between the occasional user who know little about rail and the expert.    For reports like this one, I would love to be able to read into what the rail industry definition of "usual" is - not that a change from 2 carriages to 3 is a disruption at all.

Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379689/32449/20]
Posted by GBM at 08:06, 18th September 2026
 
Do I need to count the fingers?

Look right to me ... though I wonder about the third rail in this concept picture from the same stable



"There is a larger than usual gap between the train and the platform at this station......."   
Melksham 2035?

Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [379688/27482/40]
Posted by GBM at 08:04, 18th September 2026
 
There are some posts on Welsh 158s moving in rumour section (perhaps moderators need to merge this)

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=32485.0



Link giving me The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [379687/32313/34]
Posted by grahame at 07:48, 18th September 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Apologies from me.  I was not, after all, able to join that meeting.  Family commitments meant that I was delayed getting back to Swindon, such that I just missed the train I was aiming for, to get to Trowbridge in time for the meeting.

I'm glad to read that it all went well (even without me). 


You missed a good'un! Presentation shared (with permission) at https://www.passenger.chat/pw2wwrug.pdf and follow up in relation to local campaigns in "Frequent Posters" at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=32513

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [379686/31163/26]
Posted by NickB at 07:18, 18th September 2026
 
West Ealing area failure this morning

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on the Reading bound high speed line.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:00 18/09.

Re: Campaigning and Partnering ahead - inspiration from WWRUG last night (16.9.26)
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [379684/32511/40]
Posted by grahame at 05:57, 18th September 2026
 
The slides from Peter's talk are available at https://www.passenger.chat/pw2wwrug.pdf - and they very useful. 

I would be very happy for you to share the slides with the members. [snip]. I attach a copy of the updated presentation.

Re: Change at Porthmadog for Oban, Fort William and Mallaig.
In "The Lighter Side" [379683/32512/30]
Posted by grahame at 05:49, 18th September 2026
 
Or this one ... emailed to the translation section and returned ...

Please use the subway to cross the road

Rwyf i allan o'r swyddfa tan ddydd Llun nesaf.

Re: [OTD] 17th September 1944 - Blackout regulations eased
In "Railway History and related topics" [379682/32510/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:15, 17th September 2026
 
Lympestone Commando, possibly ?

CfN. 

Re: Where was Finn today, 16th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379681/32509/30]
Posted by JayMac at 22:04, 17th September 2026
 
He was more interested in the sandwich one of the volunteers was eating!

Re: West Wilts Rail User Group - 16th September 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [379680/32313/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:50, 17th September 2026
 
Apologies from me.  I was not, after all, able to join that meeting.  Family commitments meant that I was delayed getting back to Swindon, such that I just missed the train I was aiming for, to get to Trowbridge in time for the meeting.

I'm glad to read that it all went well (even without me). 

Change at Porthmadog for Oban, Fort William and Mallaig.
In "The Lighter Side" [379679/32512/30]
Posted by JayMac at 21:43, 17th September 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
There's either a secret Celtic nations railway line or someone in TfW's signwriting department doesn't know their 'Welsh' from their 'West'!


Re: Where was Finn today, 16th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379678/32509/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:16, 17th September 2026
 
I was even allowed into the locking room for a nosey.

Whatever were the staff there thinking of?     

And, by the way, what did our Coffee Shop forum mascot Finn make of it all? 


Re: Where was Finn today, 16th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379677/32509/30]
Posted by JayMac at 21:02, 17th September 2026
 
I, too, will bite - from when our daughter was at university in Bangor, when we did a bit of exploring.

I reckon that's the Llanuwchllyn Signal Box. 

Spot on. Llanuwchllyn station (complete with dragon (and Finn)) and signal box, Bala Lake Railway.

I was even allowed into the locking room for a nosey.


Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379676/32449/20]
Posted by PhilWakely at 20:53, 17th September 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, GBM
 
Do I need to count the fingers?

Look right to me ... though I wonder about the third rail in this concept picture from the same stable



"There is a larger than usual gap between the train and the platform at this station......."   

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379675/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:44, 17th September 2026
 
It's yet more hogwash, IndustryInsider. 

Re: Checking on your train running just before you set off
In "Introductions and chat" [379674/32503/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:38, 17th September 2026
Already liked by JohnM
 
In that particular case, the doors were closed 40 seconds before the train actually departed from NLS - so effectively two minutes early, for someone pressed for time!

As it was, I had to scamper up the steps from the car park just to be sure of my catching that train. 

Re: Where was Finn today, 16th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379673/32509/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:28, 17th September 2026
 
I, too, will bite - from when our daughter was at university in Bangor, when we did a bit of exploring.

I reckon that's the Llanuwchllyn Signal Box. 

Re: Isles of Scilly sea ferry and air services - merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [379672/11098/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:18, 17th September 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
I remember a crossing to St Peter Port, Guernsey, from Weymouth back in the late 1980s on the "Condor" hydrofoil.  There is no way you could describe it as "comfortable" even though the sea was moderate.  There was much swaying, bumping and banging.  Good fun for the seasoned traveller.  Less so for those who had to resort to the brown bags supplied

Thanks for stirring that memory, Witham Bobby.

In my case, I was on the "Condor" from Weymouth to Jersey, sometime in the 1990s, I think.  I didn't have to resort to the brown bags, but I did have to go out on deck in the fresh air and grip the handrail, with white knuckles, to compose myself. 


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379671/31359/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 20:13, 17th September 2026
 
I don’t really know why they bother listing ‘long forms’ to be honest.

Re: Copyright on the Coffee Shop [reference thread]
In "News, Help and Assistance" [379670/31486/29]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:59, 17th September 2026
 
Maybe that is Artificial Intelligence?....

Re: Where was Finn today, 16th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379669/32509/30]
Posted by grahame at 19:46, 17th September 2026
 
Go on - I'll bite.  Tempted to suggest somewhere between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth

Re: Copyright on the Coffee Shop [reference thread]
In "News, Help and Assistance" [379668/31486/29]
Posted by grahame at 19:39, 17th September 2026
 
An addition - [AI] in a post declares Automated Intelligence content.

Our forum agreement - which all posters have signed up to (but may have been a long time ago) includes  It is your responsibility to present clean and accurate information. In my developing view, illustrations and text may be regarded as inaccurate if there is a significant risk of them misleading readers into believing that they are factually accurate when they are not.

This clears members to post "Concept" pictures - "it looks like ..." provided they add the tag.

Example:
Post includes AI generated content (?)


Edit note: Text amended, for clarity. CfN.

Re: Where was Finn today, 16th September 2026?
In "The Lighter Side" [379667/32509/30]
Posted by bobm at 19:38, 17th September 2026
 
I’m not eligible to enter as he sent me the photo yesterday and told me.   Doesn’t matter anyway because I’ve forgotten!!  Truly hopeless.

 
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