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Re: Closures of loops and through services - on this day, 10th December
In "Across the West" [369243/28244/26]
Posted by grahame at 10:28, 10th December 2025
 
Four years ago today, Bradford-on-Avon and Trowbridge lost their through train services from London - a well used and much loved service.  You now have to change at Salisbury, or Westbury, or Bath to get to Bradford-on-Avon, or at one of those or Swindon or Chippenham to get to Trowbridge.

The removal of these service was said to be either to save money, or to relieve the load on the Bath - Bristol section.  The irony is that since these trains were cancelled, other trains often using exactly the same type of rolling stock, have been added on the line and with a bit of joined up thinking the Bristol - Salisbury and Salisbury - Waterloo trains could become a Bristol - Salisbury - Waterloo service.  Why has that not been done?  The economic value of a though service from London is considerable, and the extra cost in providing it withing GBR minimal.

Pictures - from the final day of the SWR services from Bristol Temple Meads to London.  Busy trains, and only a handful of passengers on them were there for the funeral. Indeed, an announcement on the final train off Bristol that "this is the last train" induced an almost-panic amongst the significant crowd of regulars.










Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369242/31234/30]
Posted by grahame at 10:01, 10th December 2025
 
Time to employ the reverse Rushton and block that then takes us to Saint Andrews Road .

Parallel move to South Bank - one of the few banks remaining open

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369241/31234/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 09:56, 10th December 2025
 
 Time to employ the reverse Rushton and block that then takes us to Saint Andrews Road .

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369240/31234/30]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 09:42, 10th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
The obvious tactic at this point is to use the Reverse Klempermann Shuffle, so: Penryn.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369239/31234/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 09:36, 10th December 2025
 
Time for me to employ The Mortimer and Whitehouse variant , and without fishing for compliments I present to you Taunton.

In which case I'll invoke Klemperer's Baton gambit and strike a diagonal to Totnes.

Too predictable?

Re: Luxury night bus company redefining overland travel across Europe
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369238/31232/52]
Posted by Noggin at 09:33, 10th December 2025
 
As with so many things, the Spanish are a good benchmark when it comes to medium/long distance coaches.

Frequent & reliable services, reasonable prices, aircon, WiFi and video screens seemingly standard, plus deluxe services with more space and leather seating for not much more. In areas without an AVE service, they are often faster (and certainly more frequent) than the RENFE equivalent.

Bus stations also tend to be very good - good bars & cafes, clean, secure & free of vagrants. 

Twiliner certainly sounds better than the Eurolines I remember from my youth!

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369237/31234/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 09:21, 10th December 2025
 
Time for me to employ The Mortimer and Whitehouse variant , and without fishing for compliments I present to you Taunton.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369236/31234/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:55, 10th December 2025
 
In which case I'm going to Looe.

Par for the course.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369235/31234/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 08:50, 10th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Red Squirrel
 
In which case I'm going to Looe.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369234/31234/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:45, 10th December 2025
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Early in the round I know,however using the  Armitage Shanks gambit ,I see your Dawlish Warren,and raise you Bridgwater.

You should be flushed with pride at finding that one!

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369233/31234/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 08:38, 10th December 2025
 
Early in the round I know,however using the  Armitage Shanks gambit ,I see your Dawlish Warren,and raise you Bridgwater.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369232/31234/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:32, 10th December 2025
 
I'll give you a starter of Bude - from GWR's virtual branch lines.

To help oil this - under the crossover rule, I give you Dawlish Warren ...

Re: First Group win concession to operate London Overground
In "Across the West" [369231/31233/26]
Posted by grahame at 08:29, 10th December 2025
 
First Group plc Regulatory Announcement

8 years (with 2 year option) from 3rd May 2026 to operate all the London Overground network (those operated by class 378 and 710 trains)


Very interesting to see the First Group looking to their company and businesses future in the changing scene.  With rail operation moving to mass transit within conurbations away from the GBR / national rail setup - what about other cities - where is the future of Merseyrail for example.   Do they run any of the tram networks?  Who runs the Glasgow Underground these days?  Open access rail prone to expansions perhaps and/or takeovers - might they be interested in the Go-op license serving the county towns of both Wiltshire and Somerset and linking with their other open access aspiration that includes the county town of Devon?  Extend the service to Hayes and Harlington for Heathrow, and to Euston which is quite close by St Pancras International, and King's Cross too with connecting Lumo trains to Edinburgh and Glasgow. Not forgetting Stirling and Blackpool.

On the buses, where are First Group headed / with pulling out of services away from the megacities - for example from Cornwall.  As I recall they have an aggressive profit target for their businesses which as I understand it they sometimes can't meet whereas other operators who have less ambitious but still profitable motivation can.


.....and maybe one or two staff shortages? 

Although obviously a joke, has made me think, could some senior First Group staff currently involved with GWR franchise/management contract, transfer to their new Overground concession to run that instead.

Not a lot of reason to stay with GWR, if at risk when GWR is nationalised later in 2026

Yes - that would seem to make sense for the business / a choice for some perhaps about being TUPEd into the public sector or carrying on their careers with the same company.

Re: First Group win concession to operate London Overground
In "Across the West" [369230/31233/26]
Posted by John D at 08:22, 10th December 2025
 
.....and maybe one or two staff shortages? 

Although obviously a joke, has made me think, could some senior First Group staff currently involved with GWR franchise/management contract, transfer to their new Overground concession to run that instead.

Not a lot of reason to stay with GWR, if at risk when GWR is nationalised later in 2026

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [369229/489/12]
Posted by GBM at 07:55, 10th December 2025
 

09/12/25 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 was terminated at Truro.

It will no longer call at Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.
This is due to flooding.

Flooding at Marazion has resulted in cancelled and delayed services to/from Penzance.
Has taken out the St Ives branch, and one of the two Falmouth branch trains.
Newquay branch also suspended by flooding (not connected to thee Penzance issue).

AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369228/31234/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:49, 10th December 2025
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Mornington Crescent is a game featured in the BBC Radio 4 comedy panel show "I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue" (ISIHAC). The game consists of each panellist in turn announcing a landmark or street, most often a tube station on the London Underground system. The ostensible aim is to be the first to announce "Mornington Crescent", a station on the Northern line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_(game)

Since few of us visit Mornington Crescent on a frequent basis, we'll play the West Country version with an aim to end up at Pilning.

I'll give you a starter of Bude - from GWR's virtual branch lines.  Here it is on their integrated bus route map:


Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [369227/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:41, 10th December 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55

09/12/25 23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 was terminated at Truro.

It will no longer call at Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.
This is due to flooding.

Re: First Group win concession to operate London Overground
In "Across the West" [369226/31233/26]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:38, 10th December 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
.....and maybe one or two staff shortages? 

First Group win concession to operate London Overground
In "Across the West" [369225/31233/26]
Posted by John D at 07:32, 10th December 2025
 
First Group plc Regulatory Announcement

8 years (with 2 year option) from 3rd May 2026 to operate all the London Overground network (those operated by class 378 and 710 trains)

https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=2014161&cid=858

More details of the deal on TfL Board papers

https://board.tfl.gov.uk/documents/s25579/Chairs%20Action%20London%20Overground%20Concession%203.pdf

Will be some enhancements on Mildmay and Windrush lines

Re: Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary
In "Who's who on Western railways" [369224/29546/2]
Posted by Electric train at 07:24, 10th December 2025
 
That rolling stock strategy is due out next summer, according to Lord Hendy. It sounds as though she actually knows about it, which is encouraging in a transport minister.


A few snippets of where they are with the nationalised operators were included in DfTs launch of GBR

SWR some upgrades of 159s between now and 2028  (so going nowhere soon)

South Eastern procurement by mid 2026 for metro routes to replace networkers

Northern contract for ordering over 130 trains during 2027 (subject to a business case)

Transpennine : no mention of the proposed 29 trains


https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers

GWR is not yet nationalised, so nothing about when GWR might get something to replace its 33-40 year old DMU fleet and aging night stock.


GBR (shadow) has been working literally in the shadows towards the day the rail system is brought under its control and will become a legal entity.  The headline grabbers are the TOCs being "Nationalised" GRB is more than this, it is Network Rail, parts of the ORR and DfT all being combined.

Part of this shadow work has been rolling stock procurement and infrastructure improvements, for the last 30 years the 2 have not always been linked together.

I have to chuckle at the media and politicians fixation with "the paint job" trains most have not been painted for years other than a base coat of grey its all done with a vinyl wrap now.  Other than Chris Green rush to rebrand everything Network Southeast the railway in generally quite slow in rebranding rolling stock

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369223/20849/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 07:22, 10th December 2025
 
From the BBC:

Date set for challenge over second Gatwick runway

A legal challenge over plans for a second runway at Gatwick Airport is set to be heard in January, a High Court judge has said.

The privately-funded scheme, costing £2.2bn, will see the airport move its emergency runway 12m (39ft) north, enabling it to be used for about 100,000 more flights a year.

Campaign group Communities against Gatwick Noise Emissions (Cagne) and chairman of the Gatwick Area Conservation Campaign Peter Barclay are taking legal action against the Department for Transport (DfT) over Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander's decision to approve plans.

The DfT and the airport's owner, Gatwick Airport Limited (GAL), are opposing the challenge, which will begin on 20 January 2026. At a hearing on Tuesday, Mr Justice Mould said the case would be heard over four days.

Estelle Dehon KC, for Cagne, had asked the court for the challenge to be heard in February or March due to barristers for the group being unavailable in January, resulting in an "inequality of arms".

But Mr Justice Mould said that while he was "not oblivious" to the group's concerns, the date would not change. He said: "It is in the highest degree desirable that it should be dealt with as expeditiously as possible. I am afraid I have to be pretty hard-nosed about this, and I appreciate this will create inconvenience to quite a number of people in the room."

Announcing its legal challenge in November, Cagne said there was a failure to properly evaluate the significance of inbound flight emissions and to assess the effect of non-carbon dioxide emissions on the climate.

In written submissions for Tuesday's hearing, Nigel Pleming KC, for the DfT, said some of Mr Barclay's and Cagne's arguments were "irrefutably unarguable".

James Strachan KC, for GAL, said in written submissions: "GAL first applied for development consent in July 2023, almost two-and-a-half years ago, and GAL is keen to begin the development which has been granted consent. It is obviously contrary to the public interest that (unmeritorious) litigation such as these claims should unnecessarily delay national infrastructure projects such as the proposed development."


Re: Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary
In "Who's who on Western railways" [369222/29546/2]
Posted by John D at 07:00, 10th December 2025
 
That rolling stock strategy is due out next summer, according to Lord Hendy. It sounds as though she actually knows about it, which is encouraging in a transport minister.


A few snippets of where they are with the nationalised operators were included in DfTs launch of GBR

SWR some upgrades of 159s between now and 2028  (so going nowhere soon)

South Eastern procurement by mid 2026 for metro routes to replace networkers

Northern contract for ordering over 130 trains during 2027 (subject to a business case)

Transpennine : no mention of the proposed 29 trains


https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers

GWR is not yet nationalised, so nothing about when GWR might get something to replace its 33-40 year old DMU fleet and aging night stock.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369221/28982/26]
Posted by John D at 06:46, 10th December 2025
 
There is a move from Wolverton to Laira today (which has been activated), due to wait Bath goods loop from about 14:15 to 15:00 (see link)

Some units moved from Ely to Wolverton back in the summer, so have had months to work on them.

Wonder if today's move will be a single unit (again) or number coupled together to be ready to replace the Castle HSTs

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K48565/2025-12-10/detailed

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369220/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 03:35, 10th December 2025
 
Tuesday Dec 9
1W41 20:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern (23:13) : departed +10, Reading +32, Oxford +27, held Evesham (+43), arrived +42.

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369219/31229/30]
Posted by John D at 22:41, 9th December 2025
 
It is bit later than mid 1930s because St Mary's station wasn't closed until April 1938 (when Aldgate East was resited bit further east, so longer trains didn't foul the junction).

Uxbridge Road station and spur towards Latimer Road closed October 1940 (initially due to bombing), so might have stayed on the map longer.

Re: Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary
In "Who's who on Western railways" [369218/29546/2]
Posted by TonyK at 22:03, 9th December 2025
 
It's a tricky old poison chalice to drink from. I'm no Nick Leeson, so can't even start to work out the right answers, but the risk of continued inertia must be at least as great as the risk of ordering something that is of no value within a short time.  I think we can forget all about hydrogen now, which would open the way for multiple battery units with intermittent charging of high power at termini. The principle has been established, they would work on many branch lines, but would that fit with everything else? A lot of energy will be used just in deciding what needs changing most urgently, and what with. I think a proper rolling stock strategy would look to as much standardisation as possible, whilst retaining flexibility of modes, and just hope we anticipate enough future advances in technology to make it worthwhile making a lot of them. The IET project suffered from changes in design at various stages, something that should be learned from.
But as a lot of things in politics, there are few big quick fixes.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369217/28982/26]
Posted by TonyK at 21:41, 9th December 2025
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The 175 move Wolverton to Laira was cancelled today. Maybe another go next week? It will be 4 weeks since the last move.

175002 and 175114 have been at Laira for a year!!

So surely they at least are not in a terrible state.  What happened to them in Wolverton - wipe the windows, check the oil, dollar gas?

Well at least they ain't wastin' time no more - they're southbound. But enough of my ramblin', man.

I knew I could rely on you, and they weren't just wasted words!

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369216/31229/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:00, 9th December 2025
 
With Dover Street now Green Park (having moved its entrance in 1933) and Uxbridge Road being extant (or at least, on the map), I assume Graham's diagram dates within the years from the mid thirties leading up to WW2.

Re: AQ - Sometimes there are no trains ... 7.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369215/31222/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:53, 9th December 2025
 
Here they all are ...

0 - Melksham, England
1 - Telgart, Slovakia
2 - Ludvika, Sweden
3 - St Malo, France
4 - Santorini, Greece
5 - Katakolon, Greece
6 - Venice Mestre, Italy
7 - Storlien, Sweden
8 - Melksham, England
9 - Tallinn, Estonia
10 - Faro, Portugal
11 - Felletin, France
12 - Leer, Germany

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369214/31229/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:41, 9th December 2025
 
Some that aren't mentioned so far ...

Victoria Line
Queens Road now Queensway
Aldwych Branch closed
Met line now runs express Finchley Road to Wembley Park
Knights Bridge now Knightsbridge
Addison Road now Kensington Olympia
Shepherds Bush / Wood Lane - changes there?

 
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