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Re: West of England Line - Soil Moisture Deficit Update - 10 October 2025
In "South Western services" [367761/30889/42]
Posted by CyclingSid at 18:16, 4th November 2025
 
For the probable source and updates to SMD see: https://nrfa.ceh.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2025-10/HS_202509.pdf p.11
For the look forward see https://hydoutuk.net/sites/default/files/2025-10/2025_10_HO_Complete_F.pdf which suggests that unless we have a very wet winter and spring we could be in a challenging situation for water next year, whatever the situation on railways.

Re: Great British Railways
In "Introductions and chat" [367758/31034/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:32, 4th November 2025
 
Thank you for your suggestion, RailCornwall.

I shall confer with my fellow Admins and Moderators on the Coffee Shop forum and let you know!

CfN.

Great British Railways
In "Introductions and chat" [367757/31034/1]
Posted by RailCornwall at 17:25, 4th November 2025
 
Like the idea or not, this is coming down the line, is it perhaps time to open a sub forum for all things GBR as the megalith emerges?

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [367756/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 16:57, 4th November 2025
 
RTT reports 1W27 1530 Paddington to Great Malvern was caped after Worcester Shrub Hill

Running was okay-ish until arriving at Evesham 6 minutes late, and departing westwards 23 minutes late, having waited there for the late running 1P34 1518 Foregate Street to Paddington (which was started from Shrub Hill)

No escape from disorderly running while significant parts of this route remain as single lines

Re: Boy killed on rail crossing at Kenley was 'distracted by phone' - 23 Jan 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367755/31033/51]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:33, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Chris from Nailsea, grahame
 
Very sad.  And with so many of us glued to our phones these days, increasingly common!

Re: Thames Valley & Great Western Omnibus Trust - Reading Runabout 16th Nov 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [367754/31032/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:13, 4th November 2025
 
Thank you for posting, RobT.

I have added details of this event to our Coffee Shop forum calendar.

CfN.

Boy killed on rail crossing at Kenley was 'distracted by phone' - 23 Jan 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367753/31033/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:01, 4th November 2025
 
From the BBC:


Jaiden Shehata was hit by a train as he crossed a rail line at Kenley on his way to school

An 11-year-old boy who was hit and killed by a train at a level crossing is believed to have been distracted by a video on his mobile phone, an investigation has found.

Jaiden Shehata was walking to school on 23 January when he was struck by a Southern train travelling at 50mph (31km/h) at the Bourneview footpath crossing near Kenley in south London, the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) said.

Like many footpath crossings, the site does not have warning lights or barriers and users are expected to stop, look, listen and decide when to cross.

Network Rail said it was taking "significant steps" to help prevent any similar deaths, including by installing safety features.

Investigators said CCTV footage appeared to show Jaiden walking towards the crossing, looking ahead and down at a "glowing object" almost certain to be the illuminated screen of a phone in his hands, with his coat hood pulled over his head.

Analysis of his phone suggests a video clip was playing at the time of the accident. After seeing Jaiden start to cross the railway, the driver sounded the horn and applied the emergency brake. He looked up in response but did not have time to move clear before the train reached the crossing.

The RAIB said the accident happened because Jaiden did not perceive the risk associated with the train, probably because he was distracted by his phone.

Jaiden, a pupil at the nearby Riddlesdown Collegiate secondary school, had regularly used the crossing on his way to and from school since starting there in September 2024, the RAIB said.

Network Rail's most recent risk assessment of the location in May 2023 documented six near misses between 30 November 2018 and 9 February 2023. There was a previous death, in March 2020, which was recorded as a deliberate act.

The RAIB has recommended that curriculum setters for UK schools work with railway infrastructure managers to introduce "targeted and locally relevant railway safety lessons to pupils of all ages". It also made two recommendations for Network Rail, in partnership with industry body the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB).

The first was to make the dangerous area at level crossings more noticeable - particularly to people whose attention may be distracted - and the second was to consider whether different approaches to "risk mitigation" at the sites were needed for younger users.

An RSSB spokesperson said: "Ensuring safety at level crossings remains a key priority for RSSB and the rail industry, and we will be working collaboratively to consider and implement the RAIB's recommendations."

Lucy McAuliffe, Sussex route director for Network Rail, said: "There are no words sufficient to express our sorrow after such a loss. We are taking significant steps to help prevent a tragedy like this from happening again. Following close work with Croydon Council, the crossing was temporarily closed on August 11."

"In December, we'll be installing miniature stop lights to improve safety by providing a clear signal and warning sound to let people know when it is safe to cross. We are studying the RAIB report carefully and will act on its recommendations."


Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367752/30929/21]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:15, 4th November 2025
 
Lift shaft obscuring the signal…

Signal sighting will very much be a factor in the final design for the lift.  I note the track leading up to the platform is on a gentle right hand curve, which means that the lift shaft would not obstruct the view for approaching trains as much as it would if it was straight or curving left.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [367751/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 15:15, 4th November 2025
 
Just a minor part-cancellation

12:52 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 15:00 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at Worcester Foregate Street.
It has been delayed between London Paddington and Oxford and is now 14 minutes late.
This is due to failure of the electricity supply

Last Updated:04/11/2025 14:40

No electricity somewhere in the area of West Drayton, to judge from the delay there shown on RTT.  A delay that got compounded later in the journey

It prompts the questions "how long does it take to make an out-of-course change from electric traction to diesel?"  And "would that happen if there was a loss of electrical power supply, or does the train just wait until power is back on the overheads?"


Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367750/30929/21]
Posted by Mark A at 14:52, 4th November 2025
 
Lift shaft obscuring the signal…

"Lift shaft obscuring the signal" sounds like a phrase from those collections of text fragments that are assembled into a slightly coherent sentence and spat out as a rail transport service update - the update closing with that immortal tribute line to Minecraft: "All lines are blocked."

Mark

Thames Valley & Great Western Omnibus Trust - Reading Runabout 16th Nov 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [367749/31032/5]
Posted by RobT at 14:35, 4th November 2025
 
https://www.tvagwot.org.uk/reading-25-details

The Trust is delighted to invite you to our ‘Reading Runabout’ on 16th November, a vintage bus day to conclude the 2025 event season.  An invited selection of buses and coaches that once operated in the Reading area will give visitors a varied experience of bygone travel.

​The event is centred on St Mary's Butts (RG1 2LG) with buses stopping at Reading Station (North exit).  FREE services run out and back to Tilehurst Triangle, Donkin Hill, Wokingham Road and the University campus.

Feeder services will run in to Reading from:

Maidenhead Station, departing King Street Stop RA (0915), via Twyford High Street (0935) and Charvil Wee Waif (0940) arriving Castle Street (1005) courtesy of the Trust.

Oxford Bus Museum, departing Long Hanborough (0930) via Seacourt Park & Ride (0950) and Wallingford Market Place (1020) arriving Castle Street (1100) (courtesy of Oxford Bus Museum).

Feeder service returns from Reading will run to:​

Maidenhead Station, departing St Mary's Butts Stop CS (1600) via Charvil Wee Waif (1620) and Twyford High Street (1625) and arriving King Street Stop RB (1650).

Oxford Bus Museum, departing West Street Stop CU (1530) via Wallingford Market Place (1610), Seacourt park & Ride (1640) and arriving Long Hanborough (1700).

​​Morning shuttle buses will run from Reading Station (North side, Stop NB) to St Mary's Butts from 1025 with services calling at the station through the day.


Re: West of England Line - Soil Moisture Deficit Update - 10 October 2025
In "South Western services" [367748/30889/42]
Posted by bradshaw at 13:39, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Fourbee, Timmer
 
Full SWR service, Waterloo to Exeter being restored on 29 November

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/other/news-and-media/news/2025/november/woe-timetable-to-be-reinstated

Re: [otd] 4th November 2000 - Final printed Great Britain Bus Timetable
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [367747/31030/5]
Posted by chuffed at 11:40, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
I had one from Southern Vectis  ( late 80s?) which had a most amusing front and back cover.

The front cover showed a bucolic country scene with an old country farmer in a bus shelter with a printed timetable. An old lady is cycling in the mello mists of an Autumn morning, to church and the cows are grazing contentedly in the fields.

The back cover shows the bus shelter partially demolished, the old lady in the road, bike wheel spinning, the farmer dazed and winded, the cows upside down in the field ....all because a lightning bolt from the clouds is saying 'the next bus to.......and there were references to a digital scrolling display on it somehere....


Prophetic or what ?

Nowadays , you are only likely to get those reactions when the bus actually turns up.....

Re: Multiple stabbings on a London bound train in Cambridgeshire - 01 Nov 25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367746/31017/51]
Posted by chuffed at 11:23, 4th November 2025
 
From BBC news

Published
4 November 2025, 10:53 GMT
Updated 8 minutes ago
A rail worker credited with saving multiple lives during a mass stabbing on a train has been named as Samir Zitouni.

The 48-year-old's actions on the Doncaster to London King's Cross service on Saturday evening were described as "nothing short of heroic".

Mr Zitouni remains "critically unwell" but stable in hospital, British Transport Police said.

Anthony Williams, 32, from Peterborough, was charged on Monday with 10 counts of attempted murder.

Ten people on board the LNER train, which stopped at Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire, were taken to Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge.

An eleventh person went to the hospital later.

Six of those have been discharged, four remain in a stable condition.

Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367745/30929/21]
Posted by Sulis John at 10:35, 4th November 2025
 
Lift shaft obscuring the signal…

Re: Delays on Devon services - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [367744/28378/24]
Posted by grahame at 10:29, 4th November 2025
 
10:25 Okehampton to Exeter Central due 11:08

10:25 Okehampton to Exeter Central due 11:08 will be started from Exeter St Davids.
It will no longer call at Okehampton, Crediton and Newton St Cyres.
This is due to congestion.

Not cancelled then - "updated" 

Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [367743/27102/25]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:22, 4th November 2025
 
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time

I rearely even consider the Cotswold line services when I travel to London on business.  It's nominally an hourly service, but the days when all the trains run are few.  The thought of cancellation (or amendment to stop short of destination, which is somehow called an amendment, not a cancellation) just puts me off.  "More (newish) trains needing repair"  "shortage of traincrew"  "congestion"  "a fault on this train".  It's just hopeless for anyone with a busy schedule

So it's usually a Chiltern service from Warwick or Oxford for me, and a car journey to get to the station and back

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [367742/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 10:11, 4th November 2025
 
The DfT specifies a service level & an overall budget to be spent, and the operator then has to match one with the other to the best of their ability. This budget is shrinking now year-on-year, meaning that savings need to be found in order to continue matching available budget to service level. Next year's is lower still according to a friendly operator.

Of course, they can exceed the service level if they think additional income can be generated, and the DfT agrees. As previously mentioned above, the operator cannot exceed or reduce headcount by more than 5% without agreement.

Removing route-learning from depots of course means that those drivers can be employed in actual driving services, meaning short-term cost gains but not needing as much cover for doing that.....

Good explanation ... but does not answer "how will this be fixed", Chris.    However - we are not even asking for them to exceed the service level specified - we're asking them to deliver it.  I just looked up the last 12 weeks on ontimetrains for my local station - across all 7 days of the week - and rolled over the biggest black cancellation mark which is 4pm to 5pm - 20% cancellations.



"Never mind - catch the next train"?   Err - no - nothing in the next hour.

Edit to add ... P.S. Horrid thought, ChrisB - does the "service level" specified include any reliability factor - how many services should run?   Is 20% cancellations in the busiest time of day / late afternoon early evening within the bounds of what GWR and the DfT have agreed?   If so - I wish they would tell us that and we could then start a political campaign for better. 

Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [367741/27102/25]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:01, 4th November 2025
 
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time

I rearely even consider the Cotswold line services when I travel to London on business.  It's nominally an hourly service, but the days when all the trains run are few.  The thought of cancellation (or amendment to stop short of destination, which is somehow called an amendment, not a cancellation) just puts me off.  "More (newish) trains needing repair"  "shortage of traincrew"  "congestion"  "a fault on this train".  It's just hopeless for anyone with a busy schedule

So it's usually a Chiltern service from Warwick or Oxford for me, and a car journey to get to the station and back

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [367740/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 09:57, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Oxonhutch, Mark A, Timmer
 
Friday 10October 2025:


The protestations that we hear from time to time by GWR that there really are enough staff to run the scheduled service are wearing a bit thin, now

Multiple cancellations occur on a daily basis because there are insufficient staff

Staffing levels are within the agreed level set by the DfT.

You can’t drop below or go above that figure by 5%.

I have never understood how this works, DfT sets a service level to be operated under the management contract.  Then basically seems to decide a number of staff to be employed even if it is insufficient contracted hours for the service they are financing.

I know in past decades when pay was lower, voluntary overtime was common, but we are in 2020s and concept that anyone would base a contract worth few hundred million pounds on hoping for a bit voluntary work doesn't compute.

Can someone please explain how this apparently works to me, because I cannot see any logic in this. Perhaps I am just being dumb.


No - because it doesn't work.    With a noble headline of running a financially tight ship, numbers of staff are kept to a minimum. There are enough to run the service when all the staff are well, fully trained (and never leave), not on vacation, and not out of place because of engineering works or other disruptions, and willing to work a modicum of overtime.   And the numbers are squeezed by arranging quite complex diagrams in which trains are kept running all day (they don't have personal needs breaks), but staff are dropped back from one train to another or - worse - across onto another line. That means that when it goes wrong means the disruption spreads like a disease that takes a long time to cure.  Many is the time I have read "disruption until 11:00" but yet found that passenger journeys into the middle of the afternoon are not being made as they should be.

The marketing headline is a noble one.  But I wonder if the approach actually is financially prudent. So many times, we see / hear of delay/repay which is an immediate loss of income that should be money kept to pay the crew that the railway doesn't have.  I see / hear of rail replacement buses which employ drivers and aren't always available. That gets worse when taxis or clusters of taxis are needed - more road drivers again. The feeling is that a single missing train driver results in multiple other drivers being used.  It's a nonsense.  It's also a nonsense in the longer term. Public Transport that is supposed to run but often (more than 2% of the time) does not discourages people from using it. You end up with not one a failure to sell on the day, but also a failure to market for future occasions, which is long standing damage.

I am going to suggest to you that the train operators are perfectly well aware that they are running a tight ship which relies (or tries to) on the goodwill of staff working overtime beyond what those staff want to do. It overlooks the over-complex staff rostering which makes for passenger chaos that results from the number of staff available being below those that are needed to run the service on many / most days.  I suspect it means that more staff have to be employed in control / rearranging things. It means that staff on the ground who come into contact with the public as representatives of the train operating company and rail industry have to routinely deal with some pretty upset people who at times can get nasty.  "We will not tolerate abuse to our staff" say signs, yet at the same time, do not the train operator's managers abuse their customers by knowingly failing to provide what they are contracted to provide?

GWR employs a number of senior managers with golden tongues who are well used to explaining their position.  I was at such an online meeting 4 or 5 weeks ago, at which several of the people who actually do the timetabling work and planning were wheeled out. They explained how they are adding a couple of minutes to expresses into Paddington in December that arrive at higher number platforms to get better on time performance.  They also noted a couple of other changes to help with staff rotas.   But when I asked about timetable planning for robust operation away from London, the senior manager shut me down and asked if we could take that offline; a promised follow up meeting has had to be requested multiple times and is still several weeks in the future.   We are, I'm afraid, still in the same situation as we were in in September last year - if anything it's worse, even though the reasons given last autumn are long since passed.

In summary - it has demonstrably not been working.  

Edit - correcting spelling and punctuation and splitting over-long sentences

Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367739/30929/21]
Posted by stuving at 09:32, 4th November 2025
 
It’s going to be a tight squeeze getting a lift in. Presumably the platform end signal will have to be shifted and the operational platform shifted back a bit towards Stapleton Road - it may not actually be necessary to bring any of the currently disused but back from the dead.
This is WECA's artists's impression of the thing:

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [367738/18719/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:24, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
The DfT specifies a service level & an overall budget to be spent, and the operator then has to match one with the other to the best of their ability. This budget is shrinking now year-on-year, meaning that savings need to be found in order to continue matching available budget to service level. Next year's is lower still according to a friendly operator.

Of course, they can exceed the service level if they think additional income can be generated, and the DfT agrees. As previously mentioned above, the operator cannot exceed or reduce headcount by more than 5% without agreement.

Removing route-learning from depots of course means that those drivers can be employed in actual driving services, meaning short-term cost gains but not needing as much cover for doing that.....

Re: [otd] 4th November 2000 - Final printed Great Britain Bus Timetable
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [367737/31030/5]
Posted by Mark A at 09:16, 4th November 2025
 
Never heard of that, and what a candid graphic on the cover.

Mark

Re: Mid Cornwall Metro - Newquay, St Austell, Truro & Falmouth
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [367736/27102/25]
Posted by Noggin at 09:00, 4th November 2025
 
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.

Mark

There is a psychology in passenger use of public (rail) transport ... the higher up this list, the more likely people are to take the train.  And I would suspect that where a service frequency moves lots of people's planning from one category to another, it results in a sharp rise in passenger numbers.

1. Just turn up at the station to travel
2. Plan your day and make a minor adjustment to catch the best train
3. Work out your trains, then plan your day around them
4. Look at the trains to see if they work for you
5. Don't even thing about the train - be amazed if it runs at a useable time

It also raises the ratio of full-fare adults to discounted students/school kids/OAPs

Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367735/30929/21]
Posted by Noggin at 08:56, 4th November 2025
 
Incidentally, was it Church Road bridge that potentially needed to be rebuilt for electrification? If so, does anyone know if it's still considered necessary given the newer research around required clearances? Thanks

Re: Derailment of Glasgow to London train near Shap in Cumbria - 3 November 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367734/31028/51]
Posted by GBM at 08:43, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Mark A, IndustryInsider
 

From the relevent rule book module:

You must immediately switch on the hazard warning indication where provided.

If you cannot do this, you must display a red light forward.

You must tell the signaller about the accident, and whether the electric traction current needs to be switched off, in the quickest way possible.

You must then check:
• if any other lines are obstructed (if in doubt, treat them as obstructed), and decide the quickest way to stop any approaching trains
• the exact location of your train.

When the signaller tells you that signal protection has been provided, you must place a track-circuit operating clip on:
• every other line that is obstructed, and
• the line on which your train is standing if the whole train has been derailed.

You must carry out emergency protection if:
• the signaller cannot provide signal protection, or
• you have not been able to contact the signaller.

If you need help in carrying out emergency protection, you must reach a clear understanding with the guard or any other competent person as to which lines that person will protect.


Contacting the signaller these days means placing an REC (Rail Emergency Call) on the GSM-R which simulaneously sends a 'stop immediately' message to all other trains in the area.  They then acknowledge that they've stopped and can hear the conversation between the diver who placed the REC and the signaller (and join in on that call if appropriate).

Depending on the nature of the emergency, the driver might also then have to deal with emergency alarms being pulled on the train, passengers operating egresses etc. as well as liaising with the guard (if there is one) or other members of staff on the train and potentially speaking to their control and/or the police.

That's a lot to do in a short time for one person! Especially when adrenalin is flowing.
Thank you

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [367733/18719/26]
Posted by John D at 08:19, 4th November 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Witham Bobby
 
Friday 10October 2025:


The protestations that we hear from time to time by GWR that there really are enough staff to run the scheduled service are wearing a bit thin, now

Multiple cancellations occur on a daily basis because there are insufficient staff

Staffing levels are within the agreed level set by the DfT.

You can’t drop below or go above that figure by 5%.

I have never understood how this works, DfT sets a service level to be operated under the management contract.  Then basically seems to decide a number of staff to be employed even if it is insufficient contracted hours for the service they are financing.

I know in past decades when pay was lower, voluntary overtime was common, but we are in 2020s and concept that anyone would base a contract worth few hundred million pounds on hoping for a bit voluntary work doesn't compute.

Can someone please explain how this apparently works to me, because I cannot see any logic in this. Perhaps I am just being dumb.

Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367732/30929/21]
Posted by Sulis John at 07:34, 4th November 2025
 
It’s going to be a tight squeeze getting a lift in. Presumably the platform end signal will have to be shifted and the operational platform shifted back a bit towards Stapleton Road - it may not actually be necessary to bring any of the currently disused but back from the dead.

 
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