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Malaysia: 12/12/25 Electric Trains Finally Reach Johor Bahru
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369658/31275/52]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 10:20, 17th December 2025
 
As of 12th December 2025 the much-delayed KTM Electric Train Service (ETS) has been extended to/from Johor Bahru (JB Sentral), initially with only two trains in each direction, so direct travel between Johor & Kuala Lumpur is now possible.

And with effect from 01/01/26 the service improves to five trains per day with one being extended all the way to/from Padang Besar (Malaysia / Thailand border).

Full information at https://www.ktmb.com.my/TrainTime.html

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369657/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 09:57, 17th December 2025
 
3 car 175s to Okehampton. 50% increase in capacity which they will need with the opening of Okehampton Interchange.
5 car 175 (2 units) on the busiest train (workers and students) out of Barnstaple.
This releases the 158s to Bristol. 175s will not work there.

5 or 6 turbos will still need to come down from Bristol for the Devon Metro.

Newquay hourly service unlikely to see 175s which is to be done by 150s. An increase in passengers numbers which is very likely could change that.

175s will take over from the 800s between Exeter and Penzance. The split Cardiff- Penzance looks likely to be permanent with Cardiff-Taunton being extended to Exeter to call at Cullompton and Wellington when they open. This would free up space at Taunton for the 175s to reverse calling at Cullompton and Wellington.

Re: AQ17 - where would you of within a daytime journey from Amsterdam?
In "The Lighter Side" [369656/31273/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:36, 17th December 2025
 
4: In foreign climes, an instruction - in English regarding yachts measured in feet - looks totally out of place.

Spike Milligan, "A pound of foreign climes please!".

Re: AQ17 - where would you of within a daytime journey from Amsterdam?
In "The Lighter Side" [369655/31273/30]
Posted by stuving at 09:35, 17th December 2025
 
2. is Antwerp. Still, probably. But you can order them online for shipping from China, any size you want ...

Re: Disruption likely after weather warning issued for Devon & Cornwall, Dec 2025
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [369654/31263/25]
Posted by GBM at 09:33, 17th December 2025
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/tr19

Yellow warning of rain
Yellow - Possible

Starts:10:00 GMT Wednesday 17 December10:00 (GMT) Wed 17 Dec
Ends:23:59 GMT Wednesday 17 December23:59 (GMT) Wed 17 Dec
Heavy rain could lead to some travel disruption and possible flooding.

- Bus and train services affected with journey times taking longer
- Spray and flooding on roads will make journey times longer
- Some interruption to power supplies and other services
- A few homes and businesses flooded

Issued:10:18 GMT Monday 15 December10:18 (GMT) Mon 15 Dec

Yellow warning of rain
Yellow - Possible

Starts:10:00 GMT Thursday 18 December10:00 (GMT) Thu 18 Dec
Ends:19:00 GMT Thursday 18 December19:00 (GMT) Thu 18 Dec
Heavy rain may lead to some disruption to travel and possibly some flooding.

- Spray and flooding could lead to difficult driving conditions and some road closures
- Where flooding occurs, there is a chance of delays or cancellations to train and bus services
- There is a chance that homes and businesses could be flooded, causing damage to some buildings
- There is a small chance that some communities will become cut off by flooded roads
- There is a small chance of fast flowing or deep floodwater causing danger to life
- There is a slight chance of power cuts and loss of other services to some homes and businesses

Issued:11:10 GMT Tuesday 16 December11:10 (GMT) Tue 16 Dec

Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369653/19893/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:32, 17th December 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Learner drivers face 24-week wait as backlog continues for two more years

Learner drivers face months of delays booking practical tests because a backlog will not be cleared until November 2027, a watchdog has warned.

The National Audit Office (NAO) said there was a backlog of 1.1 million tests that were not carried out in the 2020/21 financial year because of the Covid-19 pandemic, and around 360,000 of these had still not been booked. The average waiting time was 22 weeks in September, but at 70% of test centres the wait has hit 24 weeks – the maximum allowed.

The Department for Transport (DfT) said it was "taking decisive action to address the backlog", including employing military driving examiners.

The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) had planned to cut waiting times to seven weeks by the end of 2025.

The NAO's inquiry found delays have led to people paying third parties to secure tests, some of whom were "paying significantly inflated prices of up to £500" - nearly eight times the official DVSA fee of £62 for a weekday slot.

It said the DVSA struggled to "understand the real demand for tests" because third party websites quickly book available slots using automated programs known as bots. "These delays can have a serious impact on learner drivers' income and the economy, with 30% of respondents to a DVSA survey saying they need to be able to drive for their jobs," the watchdog said.

The NAO also reported a lack of examiners and found many were leaving "due to uncompetitive pay and safety concerns". Despite running 19 recruitment campaigns since 2021, DVSA has only hired 83 extra examiners, far short of its 400 target. In the 2023/24 financial year, DVSA had a total of 220 staff at its 240 test centres who were qualified examiners.

(BBC article continues)


New West Yorkshire bus fleet criticised over single-door access
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369652/31274/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:00, 17th December 2025
 
From the BBC:


The planned new Weaver Network buses only feature a single door for both entry and exit

Plans for a publicly-owned fleet of electric buses in West Yorkshire have been criticised by campaigners for not including more doors on the vehicles for people with mobility issues or pushchairs.

A new franchised bus network is due to be rolled out from 2028, with bus fares, routes and timetables set by West Yorkshire Combined Authority. Last month, a consultation was launched over buses to be used on the Weaver Network, with views sought on features such as ramps and wi-fi.

But Gareth Forest, chair of Better Buses for West Yorkshire, said campaigners planned to carry out a mass bus-boarding at Leeds Bus Station on Wednesday to highlight the problems of getting on and off single-door vehicles.

"The campaign supporters will be boarding buses at the station with wheelchairs, prams, suitcases, heavy pieces of luggage - whatever people are going to bring - to make our point about how inaccessible West Yorkshire's buses are," Mr Forest said. "We'll be boarding as many buses as is needed to fit in all the wheelchair users and parents with children."

He added that the group was calling on West Yorkshire Mayor Tracy Brabin to "double the doors" on the new fleet of buses.

Mr Forest said: "In London and in the rest of Europe, buses have two or three sets of doors and this speeds up boarding and makes it safer and easier for everyone. Public control of our buses is our opportunity to change that, but the mayor is squandering that opportunity by ordering a fleet of 500 single-door buses."

Easier boarding would also mean "quicker journeys for everyone" as there would be more space and it would be quicker to get people on and off buses, Mr Forest said.

He also suggested bringing back conductors so drivers did not have to do everything. "Drivers are expected to drive the bus, take the fares, make sure everyone's getting on board and make sure there's safety on the bus. That's just not fair," he said.

A spokesperson for West Yorkshire Combined Authority said taking buses back under public control "takes time, and that includes upgrading the existing infrastructure in West Yorkshire on a repair-and-replace basis as part of our new integrated Weaver Network".

"We understand the benefits that double doors bring, but path widths, existing bus station design and bus stops can make it difficult for customers exiting from a second centre door," the spokesperson said. "We will consider feedback as we work towards a better-connected region that works for all."


Re: AQ17 - where would you of within a daytime journey from Amsterdam?
In "The Lighter Side" [369651/31273/30]
Posted by brooklea at 08:42, 17th December 2025
 
The last photo is of the Schwebebahn in Wuppertal.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369650/24934/26]
Posted by GBM at 08:25, 17th December 2025
 
05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:54
05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:54 is being delayed at Truro.
This is due to trespassers on the railway.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. There are no reservations on this service.

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369649/31262/3]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 08:13, 17th December 2025
 
Years ago I, too, suffered a momentary lapse of concentration: see https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6742.msg67229#msg67229 

Re: AQ17 - where would you of within a daytime journey from Amsterdam?
In "The Lighter Side" [369648/31273/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 07:58, 17th December 2025
 
3 looks like Hamburg Hauptbahnhof, site of my near two hour wait after delayed trains and missed connections earlier this year!

Re: Boston Tea Party - 16th December 1773
In "The Lighter Side" [369647/31271/30]
Posted by rogerpatenall at 07:55, 17th December 2025
 
And many aspects of the town, including the church if I remember rightly, celebrate 'Bruton' as being important in their heritage.

Re: Boston Tea Party - 16th December 1773
In "The Lighter Side" [369646/31271/30]
Posted by Electric train at 07:33, 17th December 2025
 
Boston tea party is possibly on this side of the "pond" the most famous event of the revolution (or deepening on where you live independence), in November this year I visited Williamsburg in Virginia.

There is a recreation of the 1700's town, many houses, businesses, the Governors House, Capitol building, and the Raleigh Tavern.  The colony of Virginia was self governing, raising its own taxes; the phase "no taxation without representation"  used as the "battle cry" in the war of independence comes from the Magna Carta, it was the imposition of tax by the English Parliament at which the colonies had no representatives (MP's)

In May 1769, Governor Botetourt dissolved the House of Burgesses after its members protested about taxation. No longer able to meet at the Capitol, the former Burgesses convened at the Raleigh Tavern, where they agreed to limit imports from Britain until Parliament repealed its taxes. They prohibited, among other things, imported “Spirits, Wine, Cyder . . . Beer and Ale.” Afterward, the ex-Burgesses drank toasts to the king, queen, governor, and “a speedy and lasting Union between Great Britain and her Colonies.”

There is an Amtrack station at Williamsburg so is reachable by train from Washington DC, although sadly I was taken there by car

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369645/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:31, 17th December 2025
 
Wednesday December 17

Facilities on the 05:16 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 07:24.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. There are no reservations on this service.
Last Updated:17/12/2025 06:33

07:13 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 09:43 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:17/12/2025 04:04

And bad news for tomorrow morning:
Facilities on the 21:53 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill due 00:01.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. There are no reservations on this service.
Last Updated:17/12/2025 06:27

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369644/28982/26]
Posted by John D at 07:24, 17th December 2025
 
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Oh early - that's good 

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February.  A window of opportunity.

It will be a bit of a 'sticking plaster' for 5+ years until new units as part of Operation Churchward come on stream, but way better than nothing.

Probably closer to net nothing,  than a complete stopgap.

If you exclude the 3x4coach =12 Castle HSTs that were replaced,
the extra Newquay service (3-4 coach in summer),
a Portishead train 3 cars,
Extra 2 carriages for increased capacity for Oakhampton Interchange,
restoring short 3car to 4car on Cardiff-Portsmouth (8 vehicles),
Transfer of two 5car IETs from SW to Bristol-Oxford (10 vehicles),

Leaves less than 30 carriages extra, and based on some of the recent growth figures in South West in the ORR station usage (many are 5+% per year, with few nearer 8%), so could be 25-40% growth in 5 years.  Is the 175 fleet more a token effort than a real solution for at least 5 years.

I realise getting the 175s was a struggle, but when trying to secure them started (back in 2023 ?) DfT was still in post Covid mode.  Could argue it still is thinking like that rather than regional growth away from London.  But as we have such a start-stop train ordering policy I don't really know where any trains could actually come from if needed in 2-3 years time.


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369643/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:22, 17th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Another forum is describing this as an unreliable source. Does anybody have any good information?
The ‘unreliable source’ is rail journalist Jonathan Webb freelance editor of ‘Today’s Railways UK’.

I would tend to lean towards Jonathan being a more reliable than unreliable source.

The new copy of Modern Railways has half a page about the issue. A couple of quotes from this:

    "So far, GWR has managed to run a full service"

    "An emergency timetable similar to that brought in when the yaw damper cracks were discovered is not - yet - under consideration, MR understands."

Well, it's not a full service on the Cotswold line.



AQ17 - where would you of within a daytime journey from Amsterdam?
In "The Lighter Side" [369642/31273/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:43, 17th December 2025
 
Next year in May, I am meeting my cousin and her husband in Amsterdam with a week to ten days do the tourist "thing" on an Interrail trip.   Recommendations, please?    Here are some pictures from my previous trips.  Don't want to be more that one day from Amsterdam at any point ...

Pictured - some options (and I have helped members here by providing transport-oriented pictures)












Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369641/16141/14]
Posted by grahame at 06:18, 17th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
And now the not so good news.

Parking charges going up Again.


The 41-year-old commuter said: "Until Jan 31 2025 it cost £4.80 per day. In Feb 2025 it increased to £5.30, then in September 2025 to £5.80. In January 2026 it will rise to £6.50.

[snip]

A GWR representative wrote back in September this year: "Thank you for getting in touch with your concerns about the parking charges at Worcestershire Parkway station.

"We appreciate that the recent increases in parking fees may feel significant, especially when compared with wider inflation rates and prices at other locations. Pricing is reviewed periodically and is based on a number of factors including operation costs, local demand, and ensuring facilities can continue to be maintained and improved.

"At present, there are no confirmed plans for further increases beyond the changes introduced in September. Your feedback has been noted and will be shared with the relevant team.

Reading those words carefully, with my highlights. 


Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369640/31262/3]
Posted by grahame at 06:13, 17th December 2025
Already liked by grahame, PrestburyRoad
 
The 'fixed' information seems too much sometimes; meanwhile, the 'in the moment' information is severely lacking at times.

[snip]

Perhaps this is where some instructional stickers are needed!

I would agree the occasional issues here ...  I recall in the final days of slam door HSTs at Swindon watching a couple of young ladies not realising these was a handle (level) to operate to open the door to get on the train.  Immediate problem fixed, of course.

On in-train door open buttons, I will admit (not sure what the stock was) to opening the train loo door on one occasion rather than the door to get off ...

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369639/31262/3]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 06:09, 17th December 2025
 
having not located the button

A problem that's not unique to Britain.  A few months ago I travelled on the brand new trains between Brindisi and Bari (in the heel of Italy), and very swish and comfortable they are.  On these trains the doors are double leaf, and there is a button on each door panel, located at the central opening rather than on the door frame at the side.   I noticed that a big plastic sticker has been added on each panel, with a big arrow pointing to the buttons, which are themselves normal size and quite unobtrusive.  I guess that the manufacturer provided trains that worked perfectly in terms of the mechanics and electrics - then joe public found this usability problem, and it was fixed with a simple patch.

At least a  door button - once you've found it - is easier to use than the latch that needed two hands and two strong thumbs on the inside of the slam-door trains that we grew up with.

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369638/31262/3]
Posted by Hafren at 23:33, 16th December 2025
 
The 'fixed' information seems too much sometimes; meanwhile, the 'in the moment' information is severely lacking at times.

Re the 'fixed' information, it does seem that Joe Public needs a little hand-holding from time to time. I'm surprised there aren't stickers explaining how to open train doors, given the number of times I've seen people struggle. I note that when the 'who opens the doors' debates and union disputes pop up, the 'bottom half of the internet' comments produce assumptions that the passenger can do it; I think some genuinely think the doors aren't consciously released at stops.

Hence sometimes, the train comes to a stop and the person presses the button. Nothing happens, of course (although apparently the new Merseyrail trains can remember the press). Then the doors are released – the light comes on and some sounds blare out these days. Despite this (statistically these people aren't all going to be hard of hearing!) the person doesn't press the button again after release. I sometimes wonder if they think they set an alarm off by pressing the button! And this seems to play out frequently – at least in my anecdotal experience! Even worse, I've seen situations (only once or twice, this time) on 197s where it appears that people are don't make it off the train before it leaves, having not located the button – on 197s the vestibule is quite wide, and the button is set back, and on one side only, and thus I think the button isn't in people's line of sight.

Perhaps this is where some instructional stickers are needed!

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369637/16141/14]
Posted by TonyN at 22:36, 16th December 2025
 
And now the not so good news.

Parking charges going up Again.

Anger over Worcestershire Parkway parking charge increase

https://www.cotswoldjournal.co.uk/news/25698794.anger-worcestershire-parkway-parking-charge-increase/

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369636/31264/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 22:27, 16th December 2025
 
I have to say that for 8 I was in the right region but couldn't identify the exact service despite the TTs I downloaded.  Well done Hafren!

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369635/31262/3]
Posted by Trowres at 22:18, 16th December 2025
 
The Scandinavians have a reputation for quality design. Quite something, then, for the British Rail Design Manual to be translated into Danish: https://designreviewed.com/artefacts/british-rail-design-danish-design-council-1986/

That photo of Melksham is shocking.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369634/28982/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:17, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Oh early - that's good 

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February.  A window of opportunity.

Yes, good timing really as Cornwall/Devon go quieter than most routes over winter when compared with the summer rush.  A little bit of breathing space.

Hopefully there will be enough 175 units in service by next May to provide adequate summer capacity, including the release one for the extra Par<>Newquay services, and get some IETs released back to bolster the length of longer distance trips and new services such as Oxford<>Bristol.

It will be a bit of a 'sticking plaster' for 5+ years until new units as part of Operation Churchward come on stream, but way better than nothing.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369633/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:38, 16th December 2025
 
The easy ones are taken, and the rest nearly had me stumped but the 40-minute branch interval caught my eye.

8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch

Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.

You are spot on ... how to run a better-than-hourly service on a line.    I can recall (showing my age) that one of the hourly trains used to run Thursday excepted because of the weekly freight train.

I am - happy - that I've had you stumped and (I hope) enjoying the challenge.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369632/28982/26]
Posted by grahame at 20:32, 16th December 2025
 
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Oh early - that's good 

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February.  A window of opportunity.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369631/31264/30]
Posted by Hafren at 20:31, 16th December 2025
 
The easy ones are taken, and the rest nearly had me stumped but the 40-minute branch interval caught my eye.

8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch

Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369630/28982/26]
Posted by bobm at 19:30, 16th December 2025
 
From GWR.com

https://news.gwr.com/news/first-of-great-western-railways-recommissioned-class-175-trains-enters-passenger-service

The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Yesterday’s 1340 Plymouth-Penzance service was operated by 175001. It then operated the 1552 return service.

GWR leased 26 Class 175 trains earlier this year as part of plans to rejuvenate its regional and suburban services.

The full fleet will be introduced throughout 2026, operating predominantly between Exeter St Davids and Penzance, as well as to Barnstaple and Okehampton.

In the early stages of the rollout, services operated by the 175s will vary to support wider training and maintenance needs.

It follows the retirement of GWR’s four remaining Castle Class sets on Saturday. The Class 43 locomotives and Mark 3 coaches, which operated on the Great Western network for almost 50 years, are due to be returned to their leasing companies in the new year.

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369629/16141/14]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:09, 16th December 2025
Already liked by TonyN, Richard Fairhurst
 
The recently released station usage figures, which were excellent as quoted elsewhere, will hopefully give a boost to those campaigning for more XC trains to call.
There's currently 31 a day almost all on the Cardiff<>Nottingham axis.  That looks set to almost double to 56 trains a day with the Cardiff<>Nottingham's supplemented by a mostly hourly call on the longer distance XC services.

I will nit pick slightly in that the morning commuter service remains little changed, just one extra train from Plymouth to Edinburgh that gets into New Street just before 9am, and nothing heading south for Cheltenham/Gloucester other than the current 07:58 as the first Bristol southbound service doesn't get there until gone 10am.

Further targeted improvements see a small number of additional calls from this weeks timetable change, but really improving the early morning service south as there is now a 07:12 to Paignton and 08:12 to Bristol Temple Meads offering two more commuting services to Cheltenham and Bristol - the first one to Bristol was at 09:16 until this week.

There's also an additional last service south.  Last week it was 20:58 to Cardiff (20:30 off Birmingham New Street), but now there's an additional 21:59 to Gloucester calling at Ashcurch and Cheltenham (21:30 off of Birmingham New Street, which originates at Leicester).

Good stuff!

 
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