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As at 21st February 2025 21:47 GMT
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Re: Is it April 1st already ??
In "Across the West" [358677/29936/26]
Posted by grahame at 20:52, 21st February 2025
 

https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/spring-has-sprung-for-gwr-passengers/68315.article

As seen at the rail innovation exhibition:




Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358676/29726/18]
Posted by Trowres at 20:41, 21st February 2025
 
2M24 (see above) is running. 

Re: Is it April 1st already ??
In "Across the West" [358675/29936/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:18, 21st February 2025
 
I thought that the original reason for moving from springs to foam seating was the fire risk on seats with springs was a lot higher than the fire-retarded foam. These appear to be made with small pocket springs in these - what changed?

Is it April 1st already ??
In "Across the West" [358674/29936/26]
Posted by Clan Line at 20:12, 21st February 2025
 

https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/spring-has-sprung-for-gwr-passengers/68315.article

Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358673/29934/51]
Posted by stuving at 20:04, 21st February 2025
 
How do these plans fit in with the UK government requirement for entry checking before boarding?  or is there a secret plan to join Schengen?

HS1/St Pancras has a programme to increase passenger capacity. Last year Active Thinking led a study for them into how much of an increase was possible, and what "modern approaches and technological solutions" could be used. Railway Gazette reported:
It found that expanded infrastructure and enhanced border security processes could increase capacity from 1 800 to around 2 400 passengers/h in the next three to four years. Redesigning the layout of the international area could see an increase of up to 5 000 passengers/h in the long term.

Then earlier this year a PQQ came out for an implementation study based on that. That closed last week, so while the contract notice is still on line the document defining the study has now disappeared.

The only bit of the BBC report I can see that might be called news is
London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.

This agreement with Getlink is another bit of the same overall programme, and must have been agreed some time ago even if only signed now - and even then it's only an agreement to have an agreement.



Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358671/29726/18]
Posted by Trowres at 19:25, 21st February 2025
 
Strangely, it seems to have disappeared from Real Time Trains altogether.

On RTT, it has acquired "VCN" status, so you need to select the "CAN" option to view cancelled services. The reason given is ZW - unknown cause.

Also bearing a VCN status and ZW code on RTT is 2M34, the 20:14 Swindon-Westbury. There's nothing on Journeycheck about this service, and it is currently (at 19:22) shown on TIGER as "on time". Watch this space! 

Incidentally, the 18:37 Westbury-Swindon was delayed at Trowbridge for about 25 minutes (due to a "broken down train"). It lost a further 5 minutes due to missing its slot on the single line through Melksham.

Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358670/29934/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:01, 21st February 2025
 
There are plans to expand the check-in at St Pancras I believe. Featured in the news 6-9 months ago?

Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358669/29934/51]
Posted by eXPassenger at 18:52, 21st February 2025
 
How do these plans fit in with the UK government requirement for entry checking before boarding?  or is there a secret plan to join Schengen?

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [358667/29711/14]
Posted by JayMac at 18:14, 21st February 2025
Already liked by Richard Fairhurst
 
Seems GWR were making up for earlier cancellations.



I'm imagining what the Journey Check message would have said?

"Facilities on the 1518 Worcester Foregate to London Paddington due 1729. This train will be formed of 18 coaches instead of 9. We apologise for any inconvenience."

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358666/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 17:54, 21st February 2025
 
Strangely, it seems to have disappeared from Real Time Trains altogether.

Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358665/29934/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:47, 21st February 2025
 
From Wikipedia:

The station's name comes from the St. Pancras parish, whose name originates from the fourth-century Christian boy martyr Pancras of Rome.

Pancras (Latin: Sanctus Pancratius) was a Roman citizen who converted to Christianity and was beheaded for his faith at the age of fourteen, around the year 304. His name is Greek (Πανκράτιος Pankrátios), meaning 'all-powerful'.


Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358664/29934/51]
Posted by grahame at 17:33, 21st February 2025
 
St Pancras plans ...

Which got me wondering who St Pancras was / is ...

Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358663/29934/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:11, 21st February 2025
 
With thanks for starting this topic, eightonedee, I've moved it to this board, rather than our 'entirely overseas' board.

I'll also quote some detail from that BBC article:

New direct train routes from London to Germany, Switzerland and France could open as part of plans to boost passenger numbers at St Pancras station.

London St Pancras Highspeed, which owns the station and operates the track to the Channel Tunnel in Folkestone, has already set out proposals to increase capacity for international train travel from 1,800 passengers per hour to almost 5,000.  It now wants to attract different train operators to offer a range of services in Europe.

Eurostar currently holds a monopoly on the trains through the Channel Tunnel with routes to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam.

London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.

"Many European cities could be reached directly by train in under six hours which we believe is really competitive with short-haul air travel," said a spokesperson for London St Pancras Highspeed.

Yann Leriche, chief executive of Getlink, which owns Eurotunnel, said: "We are keen to drive forward attractive opportunities for low-carbon mobility with a range of new destinations in Germany, Switzerland and France."

Getlink believes it is possible for train services to Bordeaux, Cologne, Frankfurt, Geneva, Marseille and Zurich to be created.  No set timeline has been revealed as yet.

Eurostar dropped services between London and Disneyland Paris in June 2023, and no longer has routes between London and the south of France.

Virgin Group and Evolyn are two companies developing plans for rival services to Eurostar that could take passengers to the newly proposed destinations.  Virgin acknowledged that it would be a "huge undertaking" to establish a new cross-Channel operator but said the route was "ripe for change with plenty of room and potential for new competition at St Pancras and through the Tunnel".

Competition between different companies on the route would benefit all customers, a spokesperson added.  London St Pancras Highspeed and Getlink have signed an agreement that will help them to commit to expanding rail connectivity between the UK and Europe.

Robert Sinclair, chief executive of London St Pancras Highspeed, said demand for international train travel was growing.  He said his company would work with Getlink "to encourage new and existing train operators to expand capacity and launch new destinations unlocking the potential of a fully connected Europe".


Re: The cost of driverless tube trains
In "Transport for London" [358662/29933/46]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:05, 21st February 2025
 
Ian visits reports on some figures from the Mayor of London on TfL report reveals the cost and challenges of introducing driverless tube trains
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/tfl-report-reveals-the-cost-and-challenges-of-introducing-driverless-tube-trains-79316/

The report candidly states that upgrading to GoA3 or GoA4 on some lines would be value for money. It’s just that it costs an awful lot of money to deliver the value for money.

The Mayor’s answer last December broke the numbers down:

    Bakerloo line – £4.4 billion
    Central line – £10 billion
    Piccadilly line – £4.9 billion (on top of the new trains already on order)

Which raises the old question Ooose gonna pay?

You'd have to factor in the costs of endless strikes too once the Unions got wind it was going to happen.

MOVED: At last, some good news this year? Further direct services to the continent.
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [358661/29935/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:00, 21st February 2025

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [358660/29711/14]
Posted by grahame at 15:47, 21st February 2025
Already liked by IndustryInsider, Witham Bobby, PrestburyRoad, Mark A
 
It would be very interesting to know what suggested availability of these IEP units was, at the time of acquisition, compared to what is achieved.  It looks as if there is an extremely thin amount of cover for failed units.  In a lot of cases, it seems to me, no cover at all.  A breakdown means a cancelled diagram, and that's that.  And to hell with the passengers' plans

There are other hints at the tightness - such as the suspension of the Bristol - Oxford Saturday trial in the summer while an IET is going to Newquay.  As the new(*) 175 units enter service, it will be very interesting(*) to see whether / how much they are used to relieve the tension on the IET fleet, how much they are used to relieve the tension on other fleets such as the 158s, and how much they are used to displace the other very oldest trans on the fleet rather than adding any extra robustness into the fleet.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [358659/29711/14]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:41, 21st February 2025
 
That answer is public - held within the contract for IETs by GWR. There is a specified number of units on standby to cover failed units, and I can't remember the number  but I recall that they are in low single digit numbers per day,

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [358658/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 15:19, 21st February 2025
 
It would be very interesting to know what suggested availability of these IEP units was, at the time of acquisition, compared to what is achieved.  It looks as if there is an extremely thin amount of cover for failed units.  In a lot of cases, it seems to me, no cover at all.  A breakdown means a cancelled diagram, and that's that.  And to hell with the passengers' plans

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [358657/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 15:12, 21st February 2025
 
Later:
15:23 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:47 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 14:35

18:02 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a broken down train earlier today.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 14:39

The 18:02 is formed of the stock of this morning's failed 08:56.

Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame
In "News, Help and Assistance" [358656/28701/29]
Posted by grahame at 13:38, 21st February 2025
 
OK - I think I have something in place to turn away the distributed spamspiders without interfering with members and guests.

Here is how busy the worker machine has been - overloading during the night, but with my tweaks doing better


And here is the day by day relentless rise.   Days end at 03:30, so only part of the traffic from last night is yet seen - I expect it to look the same when I look tomorrow morning, but hope to see it eased off by Sunday.

St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358655/29934/51]
Posted by eightonedee at 12:44, 21st February 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Not sure if this is the correct board, but this has cheered me up considerably-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5d6l5lz4jo

Re: Rural buses - does anyone promote them?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [358654/26977/5]
Posted by eightonedee at 12:32, 21st February 2025
 
Living a bit further up the Thames, I think the answer is "no", but with a qualification.

We have a community bus (actually some elderly minibuses that look like they started life as semi-ambulances) run by a public spirited local person with volunteer drivers, and it is promoted through our monthly community newspaper, the Goring Gap News.

Apart from that there's hardly anything. I'm vaguely aware that Oxford Bus run something called the River Rapid service between Oxford and Reading, but don't see any publicity locally. I had to go on-line to find out where the nearest Reading Buses service gets to (it's Upper Basildon). But here in Goring & Streatley we are lucky enough to have a half-hourly train service that gets us into the centre of Reading in about 12 minutes.

I very seldom use a bus locally - I think I have been on more in France in the last few years! I have used one in Didcot to get to and from the garage that services my car if they cannot offer a courtesy car, but go on-line to find out what is running - which to be fair seems quite a comprehensive network covering a lot of the Wantage/Abingdon/south of Oxford area that's not so well served by rail.

I think the reason for so little publicity is that those who run the services simply assume that we all look everything up on-line, which is actually probably correct. With the severe decline in local newspapers, and the increasingly fractured nature of social media, it must be hardly worth the effort to do anything else. Tough though if you are elderly and not on-line.

The cost of driverless tube trains
In "Transport for London" [358653/29933/46]
Posted by CyclingSid at 11:35, 21st February 2025
 
Ian visits reports on some figures from the Mayor of London on TfL report reveals the cost and challenges of introducing driverless tube trains
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/tfl-report-reveals-the-cost-and-challenges-of-introducing-driverless-tube-trains-79316/

The report candidly states that upgrading to GoA3 or GoA4 on some lines would be value for money. It’s just that it costs an awful lot of money to deliver the value for money.

The Mayor’s answer last December broke the numbers down:

    Bakerloo line – £4.4 billion
    Central line – £10 billion
    Piccadilly line – £4.9 billion (on top of the new trains already on order)

Which raises the old question Ooose gonna pay?

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [358652/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:35, 21st February 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
08:56 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 11:24 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury, Hanborough, Oxford, Didcot Parkway, Reading and London Paddington.
It is being delayed at Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:21/02/2025 09:31

A cancellation in all but name for most who would have wished to join this train

Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame
In "News, Help and Assistance" [358651/28701/29]
Posted by grahame at 10:58, 21st February 2025
 
Getting requests at up to ten per second and because our worker is seeing them all from the receptionist these days, it's a bit different to seeing where they'e coming from than it was when they came in direct. Working on it / think I have a fix in place - just testing.

Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame
In "News, Help and Assistance" [358650/28701/29]
Posted by Phantom at 10:50, 21st February 2025
 
I've now updated the heading of this particular topic, simply to make it less historic date specific - and to record that grahame is continually dealing with these issues.

Dealing with these issues - again - this morning.   You may notice some slower responses or even no response or being turned away while I find out what's been going on overnight.

I've had the following message when viewing threads a couple of times this morning and the same thing a couple of days ago.

"A quick answer from our receptionist
The "Coffee Shop" is a popular and busy forum, and you have been calling for a lot of complex pages in a very short time. Are you real? If you are, and you keep getting this message, please get in touch with the admin team (address below)."


I guess it is known, but I still get taken to another page when I click the "like" tab, then have to press the back key to return to the forum

Oddly when I click "reply" which I tried to do here, I get this message
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/light.html

Re: Coffee Shop forum Server load - ongoing issues, being resolved by grahame
In "News, Help and Assistance" [358649/28701/29]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:24, 21st February 2025
 
I've now updated the heading of this particular topic, simply to make it less historic date specific - and to record that grahame is continually dealing with these issues.

Dealing with these issues - again - this morning.   You may notice some slower responses or even no response or being turned away while I find out what's been going on overnight.

I've had the following message when viewing threads a couple of times this morning and the same thing a couple of days ago.

"A quick answer from our receptionist
The "Coffee Shop" is a popular and busy forum, and you have been calling for a lot of complex pages in a very short time. Are you real? If you are, and you keep getting this message, please get in touch with the admin team (address below)."

Re: Rural buses - does anyone promote them?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [358648/26977/5]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 09:42, 21st February 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
I'm guessing that subsidised routes in particular don't get promoted. The funding authority will only see it as their role to make sure a service is provided to meet proven need rather than encouraging extra travel, and the operator won't be interested as they're getting paid anyway. 
Cynically I'd say that on occasion the local authority may deliberately keep awareness as low as possible in the hope that low usage will demonstrate that the service isn't needed and the subsidy can be dropped.  I've certainly come across cases where the only timetables on the ground have been put up by local residents worried that no-one knows the bus runs so it isn't getting used.

 
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