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St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
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St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incidents and awards (merged posts)
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:30, 6th November 2008
 
"A deaf and blind family pet was saved from certain death after it was abducted from home and left to die on railway tracks, near Hayle.  Flossy, an 18-year-old poodle bitch with cataracts in both eyes, was found tied to rails in the path of oncoming trains at St Erth station.  A station guard discovered the helpless animal bound by the neck with bailing twine just after starting his shift at 6.30am, on October 24."

For full details, see http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/homepagenews/Pet-dog-tied-train-tracks/article-451104-detail/article.html

And 'Well done!' to that member of staff for their actions.

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Posted by 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 at 22:33, 6th November 2008
 
that is so wrong

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Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:56, 7th November 2008
 
An update to this story, from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7714157.stm

A spokesman for First Great Western told BBC News it was an act of appalling cruelty and the guard had reacted instinctively and done his job.

Well done 

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Posted by stebbo at 19:54, 5th December 2008
 
Whoever it was is plain sick

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Posted by ReWind at 21:03, 7th December 2008
 
Sick

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Posted by winterbourne at 10:40, 30th July 2010
 
Having passed St Erth the other day, I noticed a lot of ground work going on behind the station. I guess this the land clearance for the proposed Park & ride, and subsequent closure of Lelenat Saltings.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by Coombe Stn at 15:48, 30th July 2010
 
Earthworks on the industrial site side I have been told are nothing to do with the Park and Ride.
The propsed site is on the other side of the station.
Cutbacks in spending have put this on the back burner.
This is only what I have been told, if anyone knows different maybee they could shed some light on it ??

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by RichardB at 15:59, 30th July 2010
 
As I understand it, St Erth Park & Ride is still going ahead to open in around two years time.   The current car park will be enlarged and there will be a brand new, large car park built on the field behind the down platform.  The intention is for there to be parking for 600 or so cars as a park and ride not just for St Ives but also for Penzance.

I don't think the work currently happening is linked to the project.

In terms of Lelant Saltings, there is no intention to close it, instead it would get a very basic one train a day type service.   Lelant would get more calls and every train would call at Carbis Bay.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by chrisoates at 14:27, 15th August 2010
 
Let the Train take the strain....

Today it couldn't (2 x 150)

14:25 St Ives to St Erth due 14:39
This train has been revised.It will no longer call at: Carbis Bay and Lelant Saltings.This is due to an unusually large passenger flow.
Last Updated: 15/08/2010 14:07

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by jester at 19:20, 15th August 2010
 
Well it most certainly did! The previous trip missed out the saltings on its run to St.erth as it was running extremly late and made up some time this way.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by LiskeardRich at 01:07, 16th August 2010
 
i was going to go into st ives earlier seen the numbers of passengers at st erth and changed my mind, the service is pretty much a non stop shuttle run isnt it? or is it not run so intensive on a sunday?

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by LiskeardRich at 19:07, 18th July 2011
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-14182026

nearing completion for the Park and Ride. is the park and ride for St Ives, or Penzance or both though? its right beside the main road on the way to both!

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by RailCornwall at 20:15, 18th July 2011
 
... PLANS are nearing completion not the scheme itself.

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Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:08, 18th July 2011
 
oops only skim read and posted! missed the important bit about only being plAns, but relevant link none the less

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Posted by RailCornwall at 12:03, 18th August 2011
 
More information on the St Erth scheme will be available shortly, meanwhile Cornwall Council have issued a Press Release, which infers enhanced rail services west of Truro as a result.

see here ^..

WWW.CORNWALL.GOV.UK
18-Aug-2011 @ 12:02

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by jester at 13:35, 18th August 2011
 
Loving the phrase 'taking advantage of the available capacity on the railway' Have any of them travelled recently???

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Posted by Maxwell P at 16:56, 18th August 2011
 
Long overdue, but I hope that if this does go ahead, it will be done sympathetically with due regard for the gem that is St Erth station.

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Posted by vacman at 01:06, 22nd November 2011
 
Compared to Other places the Size of Penzance, Penzance is riding things well, there aren't that many empty Shops in Penzance.
Nope, Penzance is far worse than most places, the fact that most of the shops that are still open are all pound shops and junk shops says it all, there are probably 4 "big" names in the town and one of those is poundland and Iceland another, need I say more?........... Basically there is nothing to attract people from outside the town, if you live in west Cornwall you may as well go to Truro (like most do), Penzance shot it's self in the foot by not allowing the likes of M&S to come into the town.

If proof were ever needed just look how many commuters travel on the 0741 and 0828 from Penzance compared with how many arrive on the sleeper and the XC that arrives just after and the very few daytrippers outside of holiday season.


Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by grahame at 04:16, 22nd November 2011
 
Go 10 miles South, North or West from Penzance and you're at sea.   The metrics of Penzance are bound to differ from the metrics of most other towns due to its geographic location ... how does it compare to Cambeltown? And there links to tell us, because I'm sure that someone has worked it out - Penzance council for starters (And are we going off topic here?   Still interesting, though ... )

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by Lee at 17:09, 10th March 2012
 
From the Western Morning News:

: Western Morning News
Green light for new ^10m transport hub

Plans to create a new park and ride scheme at a west Cornwall railway station and 750 car parking spaces as part of a ^10 million development have been approved by councillors.

On Thursday members of Cornwall Council's strategic planning committee voted 16-5 in favour of granting planning permission at St Erth station near St Ives.

The scheme includes a park and ride service to St Ives, Penzance and Truro.

Supporters said the new "transport interchange" would reduce congestion on the roads while critics argued the scheme was too costly.

Graeme Hicks, the council's portfolio holder for transport highways and environment said the new system was a key part of the local transport plan to connect Cornwall.

He said: "The rail network in Cornwall has untapped capacity which can help us towards taking people out of their cars and reducing the growth of traffic on our roads.

"I hope that this new transport interchange will encourage people to investigate the local area and be a trigger for further local investment.

"The interchange will improve the connectivity between different transport modes and enable car-free days out for visitors whilst enabling commuters and businesses to use car-free travel for part of their journeys.

"This will help reduce congestion on the A30 through the villages of Rose-an-Grouse, Canon's Town, Cockwells and Crowlas."

Three car parks are planned to lie adjacent to the existing railway station.

A new section of road will be created through the A30 junction for cyclists and pedestrians to use.

The scheme includes improvements to the A30 junction with Station Approach, including traffic signals, along with additional lanes for turning traffic.

Councillors said this would increase the junction capacity and regulate traffic flows by reducing congestion and improve the current situation for vehicles travelling to and from St Erth village.

It is anticipated that construction will commence early next year.

Councillor Rob Nolan, who voted against the scheme said it was far too expensive.

He said: "It will cost around ^40,000 per parking space.

"This is a colossal waste of money.

"We can't ignore the fact we might be wasting money."

When Philip Mason, head of planning and regeneration, interrupted Mr Nolan to remind him to "put cost out of his mind" and leave it to another committee to decide, the councillor replied: "You cannot ignore cost."

I visited the site at St Erth today, along with visits to Lelant Saltings, Carbis Bay and St Ives stations. Good to see a fair few people about wherever I went, with the 2-coach Class 150 unit well-loaded.

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Posted by chrisoates at 22:31, 10th March 2012
 

I visited the site at St Erth today, along with visits to Lelant Saltings, Carbis Bay and St Ives stations. Good to see a fair few people about wherever I went, with the 2-coach Class 150 unit well-loaded.

Going to be interesting to see how the extended park & ride works out.
In winter the service is 1x153, March to high season is 1x150, high season is 2x150 .
In summer the 2x150 are PACKED and despite ticket facilities at the Saltings car park and two Conductors St Ives is also barriered to enable revenue collection.
The service is maxed out at 2tph and even with a rumoured extra 153 I wonder if all these potential extra visitors are going to actually get to St Ives.
Would be great if they did as access and parking in St Ives is woeful - the rail link puts you right at a beach and very close to the town centre.

Would also help while there is cash sloshing around - a disabled ramp from St Ives station to the path below the station leading to the town  - the Station has a disabled toilet which I've never seen used as it's sort of isolated by steps and steep hills.

Also a huge sign to the path - 'town & beaches this way'...so many people head out via the car park. 
 

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Posted by Andrew1939 from West Oxon at 17:28, 12th March 2012
 
When were the barriers installed at St. Ives Station? I was there on holiday last June and there were no barriers there then.

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Posted by chrisoates at 19:04, 12th March 2012
 
When were the barriers installed at St. Ives Station? I was there on holiday last June and there were no barriers there then.

Portable crush barrier type of thing.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:23, 2nd December 2013
 
From The Cornishman:

St Erth Railway Station reaches final of international awards

Staff at St Erth Railway Station have been celebrating after reaching the finals of an international competition.

The railway station reached the top six of of the International Station Awards of the Year 2013 which rate stations based on their appearance, the facilities available, transport links and customer focus.


St Erth Railway Station reaches final of international awards

Judges from different railway companies looked at the station, which is managed by First Great Western (FGW), over a two month period.

Sara Rogers, station manager, represented St Erth at the awards in Cardiff. She said: ^We did so well to achieve a place in the finals, but of course I am sad that we didn^t achieve the top prize. Especially after the hard work that was put in to show the judges how good our passengers feel about St Erth Station.^

First place went to Aylesbury Vale Parkway, which was named Best Small Station of the Year.

Despite not taking home an award, Jeremy Joslin, director of the Sterling Group who created and run the First Class Buffet on the Station, was delighted with the result.

^We have a great relationship with First^s staff from Sara to the regular duty station managers Ray and Peter and including the train crews who rest over at the station,^ said Mr Joslin. ^We always help each other to make the passengers feel welcome and a little less worried about their long journeys. This international recognition is a great boost to the buffet and to the hard work done by our FGW staff.^

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Posted by John R at 22:22, 14th April 2014
 
Whatever happened to this scheme. Is it ever going to happen?

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Posted by FarWestJohn at 16:16, 27th August 2014
 
I have just heard that Cornwall Council has rejected the idea of demolishing the listed footbridge and installing lift towers.
At present disabled passengers cannot cross the line at St.Erth from the down platform to the exit. There is a dispensation that you can travel to Penzance and get a train back.

One idea aired for the lifts not being required is that all down trains crossover to the Up platform and then back to the Down again for the onward trip to Penzance!! This would be great for line capacity and virtually turn St.Erth into a single line.

It will be interesting to see what the plans will be in the future with the Park and ride and the through trains from St.Ives to Penzance.

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Posted by LiskeardRich at 17:04, 27th August 2014
 
There is a dispensation that you can travel to Penzance and get a train back.

Is there always a connection to get someone back? Would a taxi option be used where no connection back.

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Posted by trainbuff at 17:45, 27th August 2014
 
The last train back is often the Crosscountry service after the sleeper at 22.08 weekdays. If arriving after that a taxi is essential.

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Posted by brompton rail at 18:43, 27th August 2014
 
Would sighted disabled (probably wheel chair users) be better getting of at Hayle if they are not continuing by train. I assume the barrow crossing is still in use. Otherwise Penzance is the only option.

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Posted by LiskeardRich at 18:46, 27th August 2014
 
Would sighted disabled (probably wheel chair users) be better getting of at Hayle if they are not continuing by train. I assume the barrow crossing is still in use. Otherwise Penzance is the only option.

Barrow Crossing is closed at Hayle - There is a fully wheelchair friendly underpass in place now.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:56, 10th June 2017
 
From Railway Gazette:

Cornwall County Council has awarded Wills Bros Civil Engineering a £4∙6m contract to design and build a multi-modal hub at St Erth station. The scope includes the provision of 440 new car parking spaces, ramped pedestrian access from the south car park to platform level, improvements to the station forecourt and amendments to the existing junction on the A30 trunk road.


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Posted by marky7890 at 23:26, 10th June 2017
 
I went to St Erth a couple of weeks ago (to change for the St Ives train) and a lot of work was going on in the carpark, trees have been cleared on the A30 side of the carpark too, most of the station building was fenced off apart from the shop next to the small siding platform. I imagine they must be carrying out work to the interior of the building.

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Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 16:46, 11th June 2017
 
it would be good of they could provide lifts for access to/from the down platform.  The footbridge steps are steep and carrying cases up and down is not easy.

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Posted by marky7890 at 15:14, 12th June 2017
 
Network Rail want to replace the current footbridge with a new one with lifts and ramps. The Council keep refusing them planning permission. It would completely ruin the feel of the station. There is a barrow crossing the northern end of the platforms, although I'm not sure if this gets used.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 15:26, 12th June 2017
 
I sympathise with NR.  St Erth station is not a museum piece, it’s there to enable people to join and leave trains in the safest and most convenient way possible. 

It’s not as if it’s in a particularly salubrious area where the character needs to be maintained – it’s next door to the tyre dump which caught fire last year. 


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Posted by SandTEngineer at 16:19, 12th June 2017
 
Yes, but the character of the station would be destroyed in the process.  It would be cheaper (and quicker) to build a ramp from the down platform to the underbridge just west of the platforms and use that for PRM access.  A copy of the recent solution adpoted at Hayle station.

Re: St Erth Station - incidents, facilities, improvements and awards (merged topic)
Posted by Gordon the Blue Engine at 16:59, 12th June 2017
 
It would be a long walk round if you’re changing for St Ives, which many if not most of passengers alighting on the down platform want to do.  Looking at Google Earth you can see that Station Approach, the road that S&TE refers to, is narrow and unlit (I accept the latter can be fixed) and that the footway is on the side away from where the ramp would come down.

It maybe cheaper to build the ramp, but in my view it would not properly address the need to provide safe and convenient access to/from the down platform for those with luggage, buggies etc and/or cannot use stairs. 

I don’t accept that maintaining the character of the station (or any other station for that matter) should trump the need to provide the standard of access which passengers can reasonably expect nowadays.  Of course the new footbridge needs to be sympathetically designed (ie unlike the hideous structures you see at Honeybourne and Charlbury etc), but retaining the existing bridge in perpetuity just because it’s a relic of the GWR is not the way to go.

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Posted by SandTEngineer at 18:15, 16th June 2017
 
Passed through St.Erth on Wednesday 14 June 2017 and captured these photographs of the start of the Car Park work (at the back of the current car park):

[Missing images to be reloaded at later date]

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Posted by bobm at 19:48, 16th June 2017
 
Learned today that there are plans to widen the bay platform at St Erth by slewing the track to where the unused second platform line currently is.  Will ease congestion at busy times when those waiting for the St Ives train have to jostle with those getting off an incoming service.

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Posted by Cornish bobby at 18:08, 30th August 2017
 
Learned today that there are plans to widen the bay platform at St Erth by slewing the track to where the unused second platform line currently is.  Will ease congestion at busy times when those waiting for the St Ives train have to jostle with those getting off an incoming service.

I heard that the existing bay siding is to be shortened back and the disused platform on that side extended and widened. When complete this would allow trains from St Ives when arrived at St Erth, to unload on one side and load on the other.

Unrelated but I found out today that when work on the St Erth hub is complete early next summer the bus stops on the A30 by the station will be removed. All bus services will then call at the stop right outside the station meaning all buses will divert off and back on the A30 and no risking your life trying to walk across a busy trunk road.

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Posted by GBM at 19:27, 30th August 2017
 
I heard that the existing bay siding is to be shortened back and the disused platform on that side extended and widened. When complete this would allow trains from St Ives when arrived at St Erth, to unload on one side and load on the other.

Unrelated but I found out today that when work on the St Erth hub is complete early next summer the bus stops on the A30 by the station will be removed. All bus services will then call at the stop right outside the station meaning all buses will divert off and back on the A30 and no risking your life trying to walk across a busy trunk road.

If that means busses 'diverting' to the station, then out again, even with traffic light assistance, that will add to their delays.  Joy 




Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN.

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Posted by Cornish bobby at 12:27, 31st August 2017
 
That is the down side of buses routing via the station although the junction will be traffic light controlled. Talk is that the existing foot bridge will be modified and have lifts installed at either end to allow disabled access from the down platform and south side car park to the up side and Bay platform for St Ives.

St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by SandTEngineer at 20:01, 11th February 2019
 
I have started this topic to seperate it from other more generic posts.

This photograph shows current progress on the Downside P&R site:
http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/190209e-the-new-car-park-at-st-erth-for-the-park-and-ride-under-construction-copyright-roger-winnen-copy_orig.jpg

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Posted by Cornish bobby at 18:05, 14th February 2019
 
Due for completion around April or May 2019. Lelant Saltings will receive a Parliamentary service after that with only 2 trains calling daily.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by FarWestJohn at 18:58, 14th February 2019
 
I imagine all that land around the Lelant park and ride will be worth a fortune for re development before very long.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 08:20, 22nd February 2019
 
Due for completion around April or May 2019. Lelant Saltings will receive a Parliamentary service after that with only 2 trains calling daily.

Surprisingly late for a May 2019 timetable change, I have (via TravelWatch) a copy of a service consultation for the ongoing services.  Looking at the list of consultees, RichardB should have a copy too.

Background: When the Park and Ride at Lelant Saltings is replaced by the Park at Ride at St Erth, it is proposed to:
* Run a 30 minute service daytime St Erth to St Ives as at present, but with extra turn around time at St Erth
* Remove most calls at Lelant Saltings (just one train each way per day remaining)
* Retain morning and evening calls at Lelant, and add calls in both directions at around 12:30 and 15:30
* All services to call at Carbis Bay rather than alternate services

Comment is made about some local use made of Lelant Saltings, offering Lelant or the bus as alternatives. Perhaps this traffic which is within the catchment of both stations has gravitated to the Saltings because of the much better service and will revert to Lelant in the future?  I am noting the extra calls at Lelant are lunchtime and school-end time.

I don't know whether TWSW will make any formal input, but I would be most interested to read any views from users - as I suspect would other consultees.  Those more local to the area, such as the Devon and Cornwall CRP, are far more likely to have a tuned insight than I have ... but comments / thoughts welcomed.








Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by SandTEngineer at 09:55, 22nd February 2019
 
According to RTT the Lelant Saltings Parliamentary Services are: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/LTS/2019/05/22/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

The revised Lelant services are: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/LEL/2019/05/22/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

The St.Ives half hourly service extends well into the evening: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/SIV/2019/05/22/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

And everything calls at Carbis Bay: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CBB/2019/05/22/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

That all looks very positive to me.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RichardB at 13:19, 22nd February 2019
 
Due for completion around April or May 2019. Lelant Saltings will receive a Parliamentary service after that with only 2 trains calling daily.

Surprisingly late for a May 2019 timetable change, I have (via TravelWatch) a copy of a service consultation for the ongoing services.  Looking at the list of consultees, RichardB should have a copy too.

Background: When the Park and Ride at Lelant Saltings is replaced by the Park at Ride at St Erth, it is proposed to:
* Run a 30 minute service daytime St Erth to St Ives as at present, but with extra turn around time at St Erth
* Remove most calls at Lelant Saltings (just one train each way per day remaining)
* Retain morning and evening calls at Lelant, and add calls in both directions at around 12:30 and 15:30
* All services to call at Carbis Bay rather than alternate services

Comment is made about some local use made of Lelant Saltings, offering Lelant or the bus as alternatives. Perhaps this traffic which is within the catchment of both stations has gravitated to the Saltings because of the much better service and will revert to Lelant in the future?  I am noting the extra calls at Lelant are lunchtime and school-end time.

I don't know whether TWSW will make any formal input, but I would be most interested to read any views from users - as I suspect would other consultees.  Those more local to the area, such as the Devon and Cornwall CRP, are far more likely to have a tuned insight than I have ... but comments / thoughts welcomed. 






Thanks Graham.  Yes, I have it too.  I have to say I am disappointed that the plan isn't to provide Lelant with an hourly service.  As it is, the plan leaves the Lelant area with no service for much of the day and while St Erth isn't far away, you can't safely walk along the road and I don't think we should be saying "Just take the bus".  Personally I think that Carbis Bay should be left as it is for the time being with an hourly service being provided at Lelant - the houses at Lelant Saltings are just ten minutes' walk away from Lelant.   

Once the revised service has run for the first Summer, GWR would then be able to see how it has been used and particularly if, in practice, they could fit a Carbis Bay call into all services as well as an hourly one at Lelant.    The view currently is that it will only be possible to fit one intermediate call into each train.  I'll be talking to Cornwall Council and others to see what their views are before responding to GWR.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by The Tall Controller at 15:07, 22nd February 2019
 
It works the other way round too. GWR will be able to see how the revised service runs (with all calls at Carbis Bay), see how it has been used in practise, then fitting in an hourly call (by request) at Lelant if time/demand allows. I'm guessing extra calls at Carbis Bay are more financially incentive than an hourly service at Lelant?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 17:05, 22nd February 2019
 
It is further instructive to look at latest ORR figures for station use:
St Ives: 752,654
Carbis Bay: 234,688
Lelant: 9,618
Lelant Saltings: 145,110
St Erth: 261,664
Pinches of salt and interpretation needed all around and a reminder that if you look back at historic figures, they have been heavily distorted (I think) by things like line rover / buy for any journey ticket schemes, etc.

Also interesting to try to learn from these figures when considering that Lelant had an 8 hour gap in services in the middle of the day, but then its catchment overlaps with that of Lelant Saltings so it's pretty hard to forecast ahead (how many parked at Saltings, how many walked there?)

Carbis Bay numbers are not dissimilar to ... Topsham, Pewsey, Cookham ... (looking for places with between 200k and 250k per annum) ... short journeys, hourly train, logic might suggest that if the average wait time for people arriving randomly at the station was proportionally less to their average journey time, a significant uptake might be expected. ORR figures do not give destinations, but Carbis Bay with an average wait of 30 minutes and an average journey time of 8 minutes has a 4.0 ratio.

If you're hoping for a suggestion / conclusion here, sorry, I have none ... just looking at numbers to help understand the conundrum / choice(s).

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by jester at 17:12, 22nd February 2019
 
It will be a massive loss for the families who use Lelant saltings when they
stay at the (very busy) holiday Park nearby.
They are certainly not going to traverse the busy road to
St.erth either.
 


Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:31, 22nd February 2019
 
Good point, 'jester'. 

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by SandTEngineer at 15:27, 23rd February 2019
 
Yes, but if you look at a map its not too far to St.Erth.  Looking at the same map you can see Carbis Bay catchment area is easily ten times the size of Lelant Saltings, and its not just a seasonal resort.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 18:22, 7th March 2019
 
Surprisingly late for a May 2019 timetable change, I have (via TravelWatch) a copy of a service consultation for the ongoing services.  Looking at the list of consultees, RichardB should have a copy too.

Thanks Graham.  Yes, I have it too.  I have to say I am disappointed that the plan isn't to provide Lelant with an hourly service. ....

Looking up something quite, quite different, I came across Cornwall Council's franchise input.  It has the following to say about Lelant in answer to question 20:

St Ives branch
• Once St Erth multi modal hub is open, all trains to call at Carbis Bay and parliamentary service for Lelant Saltings. Lelant to have an hourly service.
• Summer Sunday service to run year round and run later in the day. Last train back from St Ives no earlier than 2130
• Trains to run to a clockface timetable

My bolding. 

Rest of document very interesting too!

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by chuffed at 19:02, 7th March 2019
 
I agree the document referred to by grahame is most interesting. It seems to be a very well considered wish list for the new franchise to live up to. Someone/groups seem to have really done their homework.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Kernow Otter at 19:09, 7th March 2019
 
If anyone is interested, I have Lostwithiel Town Council's submission to the consultation as a word document.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by SandTEngineer at 19:57, 7th March 2019
 
Yes, I have a personal interest in Item 14 which is looking very positive.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 20:11, 7th March 2019
 
Yes, I have a personal interest in Item 14 which is looking very positive.

Looks very interesting.  I have heard rumblings / suggestions before - amazed I couldn't find a thread to started one at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21166.0 . Please fill us in there.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 20:13, 7th March 2019
 
If anyone is interested, I have Lostwithiel Town Council's submission to the consultation as a word document.


That would be to the GW consultation rather than the St Ives one?   Very interested to hear what they have to say - maybe a separate thread?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 19:28, 20th March 2019
 
State of Play as at 1500 today ....





.... major progress still needed to make the May timetable change.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Andy at 11:53, 21st March 2019
 
State of Play as at 1500 today ....


.... major progress still needed to make the May timetable change.

Rumour has it that the Government is likely to ask for a three-month extension so that the summer timetable doesn't start until August this year. 

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Lee at 12:02, 21st March 2019
 
I should add that there's no truth to the rumour that they've approved a station at Pilning Westgate with Park&Ride facilities because they need SEWWEB votes to get the St Erth deal through...

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Andy at 13:02, 21st March 2019
 
I should add that there's no truth to the rumour that they've approved a station at Pilning Westgate with Park&Ride facilities because they need SEWWEB votes to get the St Erth deal through...
Was the Extreme Rail Group putting pressure on again?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by old original at 15:29, 21st March 2019
 
Announced today....
7th May - 31st May,  bus transfer St. Erth to Lelant Saltings for connection into a train service to St. Ives,  apart from early morning & late evening services.  To do the platform work at St. Erth.

That'll be a fun half term & bank holiday

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 15:48, 21st March 2019
 
Announced today....
7th May - 31st May,  bus transfer St. Erth to Lelant Saltings for connection into a train service to St. Ives,  apart from early morning & late evening services.  To do the platform work at St. Erth.

That'll be a fun half term & bank holiday

It's only 12 minutes by bus St Erth to St Ives - having got people on the bus at St Erth, wouldn't it be quicker simply to drive them to St Ives?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by SandTEngineer at 15:57, 21st March 2019
 
You would need a lot of buses to match the capacity of the train service.  Also avoids traffic congestion in St.Ives.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RichardB at 20:42, 21st March 2019
 
and it will be a last hurrah for Lelant Saltings Park & Ride.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by LiskeardRich at 21:15, 21st March 2019
 
You would need a lot of buses to match the capacity of the train service.  Also avoids traffic congestion in St.Ives.

Even the shuttle to Saltings will need a lot of buses at bank holiday and halfterm!

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by bobm at 22:18, 21st March 2019
 
The closure is to allow the bay platform to be re-engineered to remove the redundant line and extend the platform width.

The timing of it allows the rail replacement buses to use the new bus turning facilities at the front of the station rather than on the busy main road.

Not only does it include one of the May Bank Holidays and half term but also the St Ives food festival.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Sleepy at 01:20, 22nd March 2019
 
Great fun for those with luggage !! May half term in St Ives is extremely busy for family holidays  No mention of this on GWR website yet.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Celestial at 09:24, 22nd March 2019
 
The closure is to allow the bay platform to be re-engineered to remove the redundant line and extend the platform width.

The timing of it allows the rail replacement buses to use the new bus turning facilities at the front of the station rather than on the busy main road.

Not only does it include one of the May Bank Holidays and half term but also the St Ives food festival.
At a time when Andrew Haines is telling everyone how the passenger must come first, isn't this a wonderful example of how the passenger is low down the railway's list of priorities.  This could have been done in the winter months when passenger numbers would have been much lower, and it probably wouldn't have been so much of an issue not having the turning facilities.  Or if that's not the case, then would it have been the end of the world to leave the current set up until next winter? Or could a temporary arrangement involve a scaffolded platform over the redundant line to provide the extra width?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by old original at 15:57, 20th April 2019
 
All the old forecourt area has now been paved at a bus stop shelter erected. I did have a photo but it's 4+ mb and I'm not techy enough to sort it so it will post...

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by bobm at 16:08, 20th April 2019
 
All the old forecourt area has now been paved at a bus stop shelter erected.

I wonder if you were there at the same time as me...







Still some work to do on the bay platform though


Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by old original at 16:34, 20th April 2019
 
Definitely more blue sky when I was there - scorchio
(14.00 today for the record!!!)

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by old original at 16:39, 20th April 2019
 
Ooh err that might have worked..

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by bobm at 16:42, 20th April 2019
 
It did indeed.

I was there 09:30 on Thursday.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 19:39, 23rd April 2019
 
Loads of people and equipment on the site(s) north and south of the station today, there's a decent chance now of at least partial completion within the timescales. Progress has been impressive since my last visit. The construction of the disabled ramp access to and from the main down platform from the southern car park is now well underway too.

I'm concerned however that the St Ives platform work, and access to it, will lead to damage to the effective pristine nature of what's been built. There doesn't appear to be any 'dirty' road access to the work site and the machinery, spoil and construction materials will all need to be delivered and removed over the new build. I seriously can't see these operations being done by rail.

Does anyone have any access to the new track layout? Will the speed restriction into St Erth from the branch be lifted with the new track plans?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Sleepy at 14:25, 28th April 2019
 
GWR suggest you allow an hour to travel from St Ives to St Erth for connections !!  Really ?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by FarWestJohn at 19:23, 28th April 2019
 
As First say rail tickets are valid on all buses to St.Ives on services 16 A17 and T2 I cannot imagine anyone would want to get the train as it is only a 12 minute trip on the bus and the A17 is half hourly direct from St.Erth to St.Ives.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by The Tall Controller at 19:40, 28th April 2019
 
Apart from it being a more scenic route by train. Its half the fun of going to St Ives.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by GBM at 06:12, 29th April 2019
 
As First say rail tickets are valid on all buses to St.Ives on services 16 A17 and T2 I cannot imagine anyone would want to get the train as it is only a 12 minute trip on the bus and the A17 is half hourly direct from St.Erth to St.Ives.
16? That's Pz - St Ives & v.v via the North coast road, Gurnards Head/Zennor, etc; goes nowhere near St Erth

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by LiskeardRich at 13:57, 29th April 2019
 
As First say rail tickets are valid on all buses to St.Ives on services 16 A17 and T2 I cannot imagine anyone would want to get the train as it is only a 12 minute trip on the bus and the A17 is half hourly direct from St.Erth to St.Ives.

And the bus saves the walk up the hill from the station!

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by FarWestJohn at 19:50, 29th April 2019
 
That is what the 'Upgrading St.Erth station Thursday 7 to Friday 31 May 2019' leaflet says. In fact it also includes the 16A from Penzance to St.Ives. Might be something to do with the disabled access at St.Erth as St.Ives tickets are valid to Penzance so you can double back as there is no lift at St.Erth.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 17:46, 2nd May 2019
 
The leaflet





(Personal Twitter account)

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Lee at 20:07, 2nd May 2019
 
Loving the cartoon railway worker. I for one didnt spot Mr Benn stepping out the back of the costume shop changing room, but I bet the St Erth folks are very glad he did.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Sleepy at 23:50, 2nd May 2019
 
As First say rail tickets are valid on all buses to St.Ives on services 16 A17 and T2 I cannot imagine anyone would want to get the train as it is only a 12 minute trip on the bus and the A17 is half hourly direct from St.Erth to St.Ives.

and of course if the bus doesn't connect eg. Up Sleeper from St Erth leaves just before A17 arrives ...  Hotel in St Erth on GWR if connections via Saltings fail ?

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 17:22, 6th May 2019
 
Some copyright waived (self taken) for the record, pictures from today, before the works start tomorrow.








Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 17:26, 14th May 2019
 
Work in Progress taken today ... (once again Copyright waived)








Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 17:35, 28th May 2019
 
Progress continues ....

Platform







P & R







(Personal Photos again)

Now reasonable suggestion that work should be completed to schedule for both segments of the work. Track and Buffer Stop now in place so just the civils around the platform to go. The P&R site is virtually deserted of people so must be very much in the closing stages.


Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 10:59, 1st June 2019
 
Not planning to visit for a few days, but to report all is open, both the rebuilt platform and P&R site. Lelant Saltings reduced to 'Parliamentary' as from today.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 22:14, 5th June 2019
 
In service pics (Today - mine again, same rules as before) ..

























The Car Park will be operated by APCOA it seems, although the machines aren't working on the South side. The bus incidentally is driving pax between the Station forecourt and the South site.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 06:09, 6th June 2019
 
In service pics:


Many, many thanks for those pictures

Isn't it astonishing to consider how things have changed.  On a line that was so nearly closed under the Beeching plan, we now have a platform widened to take the crowds, maximum length trains, and a service that's running as frequently as the line will cope with - even cutting out stops at Lelant (Central not Saltings) to speed the trains up!

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Red Squirrel at 13:48, 6th June 2019
 
Yes, we've come a long way from:

The sleepers sleep at Audlem and Ambergate,
No passenger waits on Chittening Platform or Cheslyn Hay,
No-one departs, no-one arrives,
From Selby to Goole, from St Erth to St Ives...
The Slow Train, Flanders and Swann

Happily, they didn't all pass out of our lives...

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Clan Line at 18:39, 6th June 2019
 
This may be a silly question.....but why didn't they move the buffet side platform over and extend that to full length ?  Then you could have had passengers boarding one side and leaving the train from the other side - (at the same time ?). One way traffic on each platform.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 19:31, 6th June 2019
 
Most of the flow to/from St Ives would be rail side, operating as you envisage Clan Line, would have made this difficult without taking more of the 'non rail' part of the Hub. Space is still tight on the North Side. A full fence reconstruct would have been needed too.

The one issue I think that needs some permanent remedial work is the area, currently temporarily fenced, around the buffer stop considering the potential volumes of potential pax in that area. The low level railings as on the leaflet illustration will need to be installed quickly.


Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by grahame at 19:37, 6th June 2019
 
Most of the flow to/from St Ives would be rail side, operating as you envisage Clan Line, would have made this difficult without taking more of the 'non rail' part of the Hub. Space is still tight on the North Side. A full fence reconstruct would have been needed too.

The one issue I think that needs some permanent remedial work is the area, currently temporarily fenced, around the buffer stop considering the potential volumes of potential pax in that area. The low level railings as on the leaflet illustration will need to be installed quickly.


I came up with the thought that
a) Dispatch with doors on both sides would be a more complex and perhaps lengthier process
b) Double sided isn't commonly built these days ... and might have needed a more detailed safety case
c) Traffic is predominantly to St Ives in the morning and from St Ives later in the day, so there are unlikely to be conflicting major flows off and on the same train.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by TonyK at 12:56, 7th June 2019
 
Double sided works best (and is probably only used) for exceptionally high volume commuter traffic, either by emptying a train onto two platforms quickly, or emptrying onto one and loading it from another by careful timing of the door sequence. St Erth doesn't fit that match.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by SandTEngineer at 13:40, 7th June 2019
 
Lesson No.1.  Never put any signalling equipment immediately behind a buffer stop.......

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by Jamsdad at 16:15, 7th June 2019
 
The platform modifications were solely to cope with general passenger numbers. The old Platform3 was very narrow and could not efficiently handle growth in passengers. Wide platform is safer. Two sided boarding was never an issue , nor needed.

Re: St.Erth Park and Ride
Posted by RailCornwall at 16:55, 7th June 2019
 
The D&C Rail Partnership have updated their website with full details of the P&R site and connections ....

https://greatscenicrailways.co.uk/stations/st-erth-park-and-ride/

 
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