| This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:44, 25th August 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the BBC:
SpaceX will return stranded astronauts next year
Two Nasa astronauts who have been stuck in space for over two months will return to Earth in February 2025 with SpaceX.
Nasa said the Boeing Starliner spacecraft the astronauts Sunita Williams and Barry Wilmore had travelled to International Space Station (ISS) on would return to Earth "un-crewed". The pair took off on what was planned to be an eight-day mission on 5 June but will now spend around eight months in orbit.
The Starliner experienced problems on its way to the ISS, including leaks of helium, which pushes fuel into the propulsion system. Several thrusters also did not work properly.
Boeing and SpaceX were both awarded billion-dollar contracts by Nasa to provide commercial space flights for its astronauts. Boeing’s was worth $4.2bn (£3.18bn) while SpaceX, which was founded by billionaire Elon Musk, got $2.6bn.
SpaceX has so far sent nine crewed flights to space for Nasa, as well as some commercial missions, but this was Boeing’s first attempt at a crewed mission.
Engineers at Boeing and Nasa have spent months trying to understand the technical issues with the Starliner craft. They have been carrying out tests and gathering data, both in space and back on the Earth. Their hope was to pin down the root of the problems and find a way to return the astronauts home safely on Starliner.
Speaking at a press conference on Saturday, Nasa Administrator Bill Nelson said Boeing has been working closely with Nasa to understand what improvements need to be made to the spacecraft. "Space flight is a risk, even at its safest and even at its most routine, and a test flight, by nature, is neither safe nor routine," he said. "Our core value is safety and it is our north star."
The decision has been made to extend the pair's stay on the ISS until February 2025 so they can return on a SpaceX Crew Dragon spacecraft. The extra time allows SpaceX to launch its next vehicle, with lift-off scheduled for the end of September.
It was supposed to have four astronauts on board, but will instead travel to the space station with two. This leaves room for Mr Wilmore and Ms Williams to join them in the vehicle to return to Earth at the end of its planned mission next February.
Nasa has said both astronauts had previously completed two long-duration stays in space and understood the risks of the test flight, including being aboard the station longer than planned.
The organisation said Mr Wilmore, 61, and Ms Williams, 58, both "fully" supported the plans for their return and would spend the next few months carrying out scientific work, space maintenance and possibly doing some "spacewalks".
Boeing’s Starliner had already been delayed for several years because of setbacks in the spacecraft's development. Previous un-crewed flights also suffered technical problems.
In a statement, Boeing said it continued to focus "on the safety of the crew and spacecraft". "We are executing the mission as determined by Nasa, and we are preparing for a safe and successful un-crewed return," it added.
Two Nasa astronauts who have been stuck in space for over two months will return to Earth in February 2025 with SpaceX.
Nasa said the Boeing Starliner spacecraft the astronauts Sunita Williams and Barry Wilmore had travelled to International Space Station (ISS) on would return to Earth "un-crewed". The pair took off on what was planned to be an eight-day mission on 5 June but will now spend around eight months in orbit.
The Starliner experienced problems on its way to the ISS, including leaks of helium, which pushes fuel into the propulsion system. Several thrusters also did not work properly.
Boeing and SpaceX were both awarded billion-dollar contracts by Nasa to provide commercial space flights for its astronauts. Boeing’s was worth $4.2bn (£3.18bn) while SpaceX, which was founded by billionaire Elon Musk, got $2.6bn.
SpaceX has so far sent nine crewed flights to space for Nasa, as well as some commercial missions, but this was Boeing’s first attempt at a crewed mission.
Engineers at Boeing and Nasa have spent months trying to understand the technical issues with the Starliner craft. They have been carrying out tests and gathering data, both in space and back on the Earth. Their hope was to pin down the root of the problems and find a way to return the astronauts home safely on Starliner.
Speaking at a press conference on Saturday, Nasa Administrator Bill Nelson said Boeing has been working closely with Nasa to understand what improvements need to be made to the spacecraft. "Space flight is a risk, even at its safest and even at its most routine, and a test flight, by nature, is neither safe nor routine," he said. "Our core value is safety and it is our north star."
The decision has been made to extend the pair's stay on the ISS until February 2025 so they can return on a SpaceX Crew Dragon spacecraft. The extra time allows SpaceX to launch its next vehicle, with lift-off scheduled for the end of September.
It was supposed to have four astronauts on board, but will instead travel to the space station with two. This leaves room for Mr Wilmore and Ms Williams to join them in the vehicle to return to Earth at the end of its planned mission next February.
Nasa has said both astronauts had previously completed two long-duration stays in space and understood the risks of the test flight, including being aboard the station longer than planned.
The organisation said Mr Wilmore, 61, and Ms Williams, 58, both "fully" supported the plans for their return and would spend the next few months carrying out scientific work, space maintenance and possibly doing some "spacewalks".
Boeing’s Starliner had already been delayed for several years because of setbacks in the spacecraft's development. Previous un-crewed flights also suffered technical problems.
In a statement, Boeing said it continued to focus "on the safety of the crew and spacecraft". "We are executing the mission as determined by Nasa, and we are preparing for a safe and successful un-crewed return," it added.
Nasa has said both astronauts had previously completed two long-duration stays in space and understood the risks of the test flight, including being aboard the station longer than planned.
There you are, then: next time you're standing around at a station for an hour or so, count yourself lucky!

| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:14, 26th August 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Do astronauts/Mission control have Sunday as part of the working week?
If not, may have to consider their date of return carefully!
| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:31, 18th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It gets even better - or worse.
They're still stranded up there, on the station!From the BBC:
Nasa astronauts Butch and Suni's homecoming delayed again

Nasa says that the astronauts stuck on the International Space Station will have to wait even longer to get home.
Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams were due to be back after just a week when they blasted off in June. Their stay was extended to February next year because of technical issues with the experimental spacecraft, Starliner, built by Boeing.
Now - following a delay in launching a new capsule to the ISS - the pair won't be back until late March or possibly April. Nasa said the delay posed no risk to the astronauts.
In a statement Nasa stated: "The International Space Station recently received two resupply flights in November and is well-stocked with everything the crew needs, including food, water, clothing, and oxygen. The resupply spacecraft also carried special items for the crew to celebrate the holidays aboard the orbital platform."
Most space station missions last six months, with a few reaching a full year. So the extension to Butch and Suni's already overdue stay in space should not be a problem, according to Dr Simeon Barber, from the Open University.
"I'm sure that they are already disappointed that they were going to miss Christmas back home with the folks. But this is only another two months on an already quite long mission, and I'm sure if you ask them, I'm sure they would tell you that the space station is where they love to be," he said.
A new crew needs to launch before Wilmore and Williams can return and the next mission has been delayed by more than a month, according to the space agency.
Nasa's next crew of four for the ISS was supposed to have been launched in February 2025. The capsule carrying that crew was due to be the one bringing Butch and Sunni home, as well as NASA astronauts Nick Hague and Roscosmos cosmonaut Aleksandr Gorbunov as part of the normal crew rotation.
But there has been a delay by the private sector firm SpaceX in preparing a brand-new Dragon capsule for the mission. That is now scheduled for flight readiness no earlier than late March.
Nasa said it considered using a different SpaceX capsule to fly up the replacement crew to keep the flights on schedule. But it has now decided the best option is to wait for the new capsule to transport the next crew.

Nasa says that the astronauts stuck on the International Space Station will have to wait even longer to get home.
Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams were due to be back after just a week when they blasted off in June. Their stay was extended to February next year because of technical issues with the experimental spacecraft, Starliner, built by Boeing.
Now - following a delay in launching a new capsule to the ISS - the pair won't be back until late March or possibly April. Nasa said the delay posed no risk to the astronauts.
In a statement Nasa stated: "The International Space Station recently received two resupply flights in November and is well-stocked with everything the crew needs, including food, water, clothing, and oxygen. The resupply spacecraft also carried special items for the crew to celebrate the holidays aboard the orbital platform."
Most space station missions last six months, with a few reaching a full year. So the extension to Butch and Suni's already overdue stay in space should not be a problem, according to Dr Simeon Barber, from the Open University.
"I'm sure that they are already disappointed that they were going to miss Christmas back home with the folks. But this is only another two months on an already quite long mission, and I'm sure if you ask them, I'm sure they would tell you that the space station is where they love to be," he said.
A new crew needs to launch before Wilmore and Williams can return and the next mission has been delayed by more than a month, according to the space agency.
Nasa's next crew of four for the ISS was supposed to have been launched in February 2025. The capsule carrying that crew was due to be the one bringing Butch and Sunni home, as well as NASA astronauts Nick Hague and Roscosmos cosmonaut Aleksandr Gorbunov as part of the normal crew rotation.
But there has been a delay by the private sector firm SpaceX in preparing a brand-new Dragon capsule for the mission. That is now scheduled for flight readiness no earlier than late March.
Nasa said it considered using a different SpaceX capsule to fly up the replacement crew to keep the flights on schedule. But it has now decided the best option is to wait for the new capsule to transport the next crew.
| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by froome at 20:30, 19th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I hope they are still on friendly terms!
| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Timmer at 20:56, 19th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:18, 19th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Apparently, they get on very well - and are both happy to continue with ongoing scientific experiments and apparently interminable data gathering.

| This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:53, 25th December 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Another update, from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cdr0e143j1jo

| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:35, 15th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yet another update, from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cvgw8lndg9zo
They're still stuck there!

| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by ChrisB at 14:32, 16th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The replacement crew have finally arriven & after a handover, those two will finally be on their way back.
Personally, I'm glad no one has got to Mars yet....
| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by grahame at 07:30, 18th March 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The replacement crew have finally arriven & after a handover, those two will finally be on their way back.
Personally, I'm glad no one has got to Mars yet....
Personally, I'm glad no one has got to Mars yet....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4k0d55q24o
After an epic nine months in space, Nasa astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams are finally on their way home.
They were supposed to be up there for less a month ... so a period return ticket would have done them. Will they be met by RPIs when they land
. ... but in all serious, "Welcome home". When you here of some of the megadelays around (works cruise ship in Belfast, stuck in a mine in Peru) you realise that the odd extra 70 minutes at Westbury is pretty trivial.| Re: This surely has to be a case for 'delay, repay' compensation? Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 02:02, 22nd February 2026 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
An update, from the BBC:
Nasa boss says Boeing Starliner failure one of worst in its history

Nasa astronauts Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore were stranded in space for over nine months
Nasa has labelled the botched 2024 Starliner mission, which left two astronauts stranded in space for months, a "Type A" mishap, on par with fatal shuttle disasters of the past, in a newly published report.
The category is the space agency's most severe, reserved for incidents causing more than $2m (£1.49 m) in damage, the loss of a vehicle or its control, or deaths.
On Thursday, Nasa's new boss, Jared Isaacman, blasted Boeing, which built Starliner, and the space agency for poor decision-making and leadership that led to the failed mission.
The incident drew global attention after the pilots were stuck for more than nine months in space before returning home last March.
Isaacman, an amateur jet pilot who was the first non-professional astronaut to conduct a spacewalk, took Nasa's top job in late 2025 after a second nomination by US President Donald Trump. His approval came after a turbulent process in which Trump put forward Isaacman's name for the role but then withdrew it during a public feud with Tesla and SpaceX boss Elon Musk, who is a close ally of Isaacman.
In a statement on Starliner's findings, Isaacman said the spacecraft had faced issues throughout its prior recent missions but had still been accepted for the test. "We are correcting those mistakes. Today, we are formally declaring a Type A mishap and ensuring leadership accountability so situations like this never reoccur."
Nasa's "Type A" grade puts the Starliner incident at the same level assigned to the fatal 2003 Columbia and 1986 Challenger space shuttle disasters.
The agency said in its statement: "While there were no injuries and the mission regained control prior to docking, this highest-level classification designation recognises there was potential for a significant mishap."
Nasa's 312-page report comes after the agency commissioned an independent investigation team to identify the causes behind the troubled mission. Investigators flagged hardware failures, leadership missteps and cultural problems at the organisations that led to conditions that fell short of the space agency's safety standards.
The report also highlighted poor engineering and a lack of oversight at Boeing, which helped turn an eight-to-14-day mission into a months-long ordeal for the test pilots, Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore.
The pair waited months on board the International Space Station before getting a lift from a SpaceX flight in March 2025. Both pilots have since retired from the agency.
Nasa said it will accept this as the final report and is taking corrective actions to address the findings.
"While Boeing built Starliner, Nasa accepted it and launched two astronauts to space," Isaacman said. "To undertake missions that change the world, we must be transparent about both our successes and our shortcomings. We have to own our mistakes and ensure they never happen again."

Nasa astronauts Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore were stranded in space for over nine months
Nasa has labelled the botched 2024 Starliner mission, which left two astronauts stranded in space for months, a "Type A" mishap, on par with fatal shuttle disasters of the past, in a newly published report.
The category is the space agency's most severe, reserved for incidents causing more than $2m (£1.49 m) in damage, the loss of a vehicle or its control, or deaths.
On Thursday, Nasa's new boss, Jared Isaacman, blasted Boeing, which built Starliner, and the space agency for poor decision-making and leadership that led to the failed mission.
The incident drew global attention after the pilots were stuck for more than nine months in space before returning home last March.
Isaacman, an amateur jet pilot who was the first non-professional astronaut to conduct a spacewalk, took Nasa's top job in late 2025 after a second nomination by US President Donald Trump. His approval came after a turbulent process in which Trump put forward Isaacman's name for the role but then withdrew it during a public feud with Tesla and SpaceX boss Elon Musk, who is a close ally of Isaacman.
In a statement on Starliner's findings, Isaacman said the spacecraft had faced issues throughout its prior recent missions but had still been accepted for the test. "We are correcting those mistakes. Today, we are formally declaring a Type A mishap and ensuring leadership accountability so situations like this never reoccur."
Nasa's "Type A" grade puts the Starliner incident at the same level assigned to the fatal 2003 Columbia and 1986 Challenger space shuttle disasters.
The agency said in its statement: "While there were no injuries and the mission regained control prior to docking, this highest-level classification designation recognises there was potential for a significant mishap."
Nasa's 312-page report comes after the agency commissioned an independent investigation team to identify the causes behind the troubled mission. Investigators flagged hardware failures, leadership missteps and cultural problems at the organisations that led to conditions that fell short of the space agency's safety standards.
The report also highlighted poor engineering and a lack of oversight at Boeing, which helped turn an eight-to-14-day mission into a months-long ordeal for the test pilots, Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore.
The pair waited months on board the International Space Station before getting a lift from a SpaceX flight in March 2025. Both pilots have since retired from the agency.
Nasa said it will accept this as the final report and is taking corrective actions to address the findings.
"While Boeing built Starliner, Nasa accepted it and launched two astronauts to space," Isaacman said. "To undertake missions that change the world, we must be transparent about both our successes and our shortcomings. We have to own our mistakes and ensure they never happen again."
Posting personally here:
The pair waited months on board the International Space Station before getting a lift from a SpaceX flight in March 2025. Both pilots have since retired from the agency.
I congratulate both of them for their remarkable patience and apparently continued good-humour throughout their rather extended space adventure.

CfN.















