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GWR - Eight years old today
As at 3rd December 2024 17:55 GMT
 
Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:20, 20th September 2024
 
On the good side. Dawlish has lifts and rebuild of the seaward platform. Paignton station had new doors to street and platform.

Bad side. Torquay still waiting for lifts, Newton Abbot still waiting for new entrance to industrial estate. Edginswell still not built. Exeter St David's platform 2 extension abandoned which would have helped service flexibility. Exeter Central needs something done to help congestion on the narrow footbridge.

..................doesn't all that come under Network Rail's remit?

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by REVUpminster at 07:01, 20th September 2024
 
On the good side. Dawlish has lifts and rebuild of the seaward platform. Paignton station had new doors to street and platform.

Bad side. Torquay still waiting for lifts, Newton Abbot still waiting for new entrance to industrial estate. Edginswell still not built. Exeter St David's platform 2 extension abandoned which would have helped service flexibility. Exeter Central needs something done to help congestion on the narrow footbridge.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by Noggin at 13:00, 18th September 2024
 
Looking back on the original question posed by Graham

"What has been achieved under the GWR branding, and what has failed?"

- can anyone provide a list of the achievements?

Echoing Grahame, I think the green GWR branding has worked very well to give everyone in the region something to be proud of. By and large, stations, rolling stock and personnel are very well turned out. Very much "our railway".

As for achievements, from a Bristolian perspective:
- Coping with, then taking advantage of electrification
- Coping reasonably well with COVID and strikes - felt like it had much less disruptive effect than elsewhere
- 80x introduction
- Stock refurbishments
- Okehampton reopening
- "Castles" and the introduction of an Intercity-quality service between Cardiff and Penzance
- Half-hourly Gloucester services
- Expansion of Severn Beach and Bristol local services
- Generally very good community relations and engagement

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by eightonedee at 17:58, 16th September 2024
 
Although obviously not something for which GWR bears much, if any, direct responsibility I rather think the failure to complete electrification to BRI» - both possible routes - and SWA» should be on the -ve list. Perhaps the GWR powers-that-be could have argued the case more strongly?

Add Didcot to Oxford to that list! I imagine that the powers that be might read a representation from First Group/GWR and then ignore it in the light of the message from the Treasury via DfT and ORR.....

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 17:29, 16th September 2024
 
Although obviously not something for which GWR bears much, if any, direct responsibility I rather think the failure to complete electrification to BRI - both possible routes - and SWA should be on the -ve list. Perhaps the GWR powers-that-be could have argued the case more strongly?

On the +ve side the Devon Metro service has to get a mention even if the programme started in pre-GWR times. 

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:24, 16th September 2024
 
Yup, quite a few steps forward (which tend to get forgotten like late trains along the North Cotswold Line and a much improved service for Llanelli and Carmarthen), but quite a few steps backwards as well.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by grahame at 07:00, 16th September 2024
 
Looking back on the original question posed by Graham

"What has been achieved under the GWR branding, and what has failed?"

- can anyone provide a list of the achievements?

In amongst the horror of the current unreliable service issues, there are / have been a number of good steps too.  Starting very locally, I look to the all day, every day service we have timetabled, with trains which have sufficient capacity and are safe.  Looking further afield, Okehampton, Portway Parkway and others are achievements, as are service frequency increases down to the tip of Cornwall and other improvements such as Cheltenham Spa services via the Stroud Vallley now mostly running to London.   We have seen new trains coming online on the main line services which are electric for some of their distance.

How much of this is because of the rebranding?  I don't know the answer to that; there is some pride and a great deal of promotion in the brand which has, in the extraordinarily and unplanned events of recent years - I'm thinking Covid especially - been a flag around which people have been able to rally with pride.   We joked at the famous five adverts when they started - I will admit - but they and the green and the GWR have become synonymous with train travel in our area, and in hindsight I comment the people at GWR - FGW as it was know when the planning was made - for their decision to go with the new brand.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:45, 15th September 2024
 
Looking back on the original question posed by Graham

"What has been achieved under the GWR branding, and what has failed?"

- can anyone provide a list of the achievements?

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by grahame at 09:25, 15th September 2024
 
I missed this – Happy Birthday, Coffee Shop!

Not so much the Coffee Shop as GWR.   But I have been very much aware that the forum has been running under First Great Western rather that Great Western Railway.   Here are a couple of screen shots from some work I've been doing in the background.  And, yes, I am aware that "Great Western Railway" may change to "Great British Railways", or local operations such as "Wecatrains" as the next phase.




Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by Bmblbzzz at 15:06, 18th September 2023
 
I missed this – Happy Birthday, Coffee Shop!

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:51, 17th September 2023
 
What's that got to do with carriage washers? 

Nothing whatsoever. I was addressing Graham's original question.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by ChrisB at 17:08, 17th September 2023
 
What's that got to do with carriage washers? 

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:10, 17th September 2023
 
Failure to address staff shortage issues, especially on Sundays, over many years when it was within their gift to do so.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by ChrisB at 11:24, 17th September 2023
 
Four year's ago, then? Time to forget something that minor, I reckon.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by bobm at 06:00, 17th September 2023
 
There was an issue with some carriage washers and how they cleaned IETs in 2019ish.  Some sets were notably dirty when in service and windows not the clearest.   Adjustments were made and the presentation visibly improved. 

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by ChrisB at 18:54, 16th September 2023
 
But the biggest failure, which I think is true of all long distance providers, is the failure to address the leisure market, especially the premium sector.

LNER's approach to the provision and selling of their services, including 1st, is very different to that which GWR is able to take - and for some reason Hitachi tend not to send LNER trains into service with unclean exteriors.

The leisure market is *booming*  At weekends at least & is actually beating the peaks on Monday & Friday 
There would very quickly be overcrowding complaints if they were to attract many more out of their cars.

Unclean IETs - I haven't seen (m)any & neither is there a thread of complaint on here about any? 

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:34, 16th September 2023
 
I have to say that I haven’t really noticed any great problems with the general exterior cleanliness of the IET fleet.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by Mark A at 13:58, 16th September 2023
 
But the biggest failure, which I think is true of all long distance providers, is the failure to address the leisure market, especially the premium sector.

LNER's approach to the provision and selling of their services, including 1st, is very different to that which GWR is able to take - and for some reason Hitachi tend not to send LNER trains into service with unclean exteriors. Perhaps it is that the Hitachi - LNER relationship is set up in a different way.

Mark

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by nickswift99 at 12:13, 16th September 2023
 
The Electrostars have been a massive upgrade but the introduction of the Elizabeth line has resulted in many commuters seeing little improvement in journey times due to long dwells at Reading and the effective removal of GWR services at some stations.

But the biggest failure, which I think is true of all long distance providers, is the failure to address the leisure market, especially the premium sector. The demise of decent first class seats and catering has resulted in something which more resembles a commuter experience and not that of a service which will draw people from their cars.

Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by REVUpminster at 10:13, 16th September 2023
 
The biggest failure has been the 769s and all the stock problems that has caused. Are they going to repeat it with the 230s if expected to work elsewhere other than Greenford? Why buy all those extra cars of S stock?

Any tool that is designed to do two or more jobs rarely does one best.

The 387 emu has been a success limited by only where it can go due to cut backs in electrification.

GWR - Eight years old today
Posted by grahame at 06:14, 15th September 2023
 
Eight Years of Great Western Railway - on this day, 15th September 2015

What has been achieved under the GWR branding, and what has failed?












 
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