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SWR's new Class 701 trains
As at 27th December 2024 03:05 GMT
 
Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by Fourbee at 09:25, 30th November 2024
 
All 70 sets will be in service from tomorrow then? Fantastic. Oh wait...
I didn't realise there were actually 90 sets... so 20 more than I thought doing nothing.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 23:03, 28th November 2024
 
Today's attempt to sprinkle a bit of PR sparkle on a poor unsuspecting 701 has been written up by SWR.
Five Arterios are already in service, serving the routes to Windsor & Eton Riverside and Shepperton, calling at some of SWR’s busiest stations including Earlsfield, Kingston, Richmond, Twickenham and Wimbledon.

Building on those destinations, it was also confirmed that the new fleet will serve stations including Dorking, Epsom, Guildford, Hampton Court and Reading over the next six months, moving SWR closer to its ultimate goal of transforming every journey on its suburban network.

And they do mean that quite literally - saying today was "to mark the Arterios being named and celebrate the next ten being rolled out". There is a list headed "The next Arterios will be rolled out as follows", with the existing five diagrams and ten more to start by next June. These are spread out over most of the planned network. No sign there of committing to bring the fleet into service by a specific date - maybe they've learned not to say things like that.

They have also updated the Arterios page that was there before.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by Timmer at 19:14, 28th November 2024
 
All 70 sets will be in service from tomorrow then? Fantastic. Oh wait...
Perhaps in a parallel universe but certainly not in the one that is operated by SWR.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by Fourbee at 16:48, 28th November 2024
 
All 70 sets will be in service from tomorrow then? Fantastic. Oh wait...

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 10:55, 28th November 2024
 

An event to mark the rollout of long-delayed new trains for South Western Railway will be held later.

I think that should have read "later today". Probably around 10:30, Waterloo P19.

I'm mystified that all the comments I read on the 701 introduction assume that SWR's objective was to get the fleet into service as soon as possible. That does not fit the observable facts. What does is that SWR have no objectives of their own, only what DfT decides for them. And that is for the programme to cost the absolute minimum, with a secondary objective that the new trains should replace the old ones before there are not enough of those still serviceable to run a service at all.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by eightonedee at 08:44, 28th November 2024
 
With all the problems these have had, and those affecting the Elizabeth Line trains, I assume that Journey Check are uploading a new standard excuse for delays "This is due to a software fault on the train"

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by CyclingSid at 08:11, 28th November 2024

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by CyclingSid at 07:27, 9th February 2024
 
An "update" from Paul Clifton

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-68239657

I think I saw a clip of one running through Winchester recently, presumably from Eastleigh to Feltham?

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 19:32, 12th January 2024
 
And that's a whole week of one round trip per day with nothing going wrong - with either of the trains used. Next week ... two round trips per day! So it's the softest of soft starts, and barely counts as an introduction. I mean, they don't yet really add to the fleet so as to allow any old trains to be withdrawn or new permanently timetabled services to run.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:03, 10th January 2024
 
Rail project delivered years behind schedule......in other news, bear seen heading for woods with roll of Andrex.......

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:46, 10th January 2024
 
More a case of laughing stock than rolling stock at the moment.

Though I’m sure that’ll be largely forgotten in a couple of years.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by eightonedee at 22:39, 9th January 2024
 
There's something on the BBC News website - see - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-67926688,

Paul Clifton was also on the early evening news on the subject (not repeated after the 10 o'clock news)

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by ChrisB at 15:52, 9th January 2024
 
yep

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:51, 9th January 2024
 
Did they fail with their pledge to operate one by the end of last year then?

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by ChrisB at 14:52, 9th January 2024
 
Booked at 1025 for the next 3 mornings

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by GBM at 10:57, 9th January 2024
 
And now ... the day many sceptics thought would never arrive (and may still turn out to be a false dawn). 2U91, an "ordinary" passenger service, operated with 701037, has just got as far as Clapham Junction on the way to Windsor. Mind you, it is still an additional "only runs if required" service, not a standard timetabled one.
Followed very closely by 5C91 (Empty coaching stock and driver only operation).

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 10:40, 9th January 2024
 
And now ... the day many sceptics thought would never arrive (and may still turn out to be a false dawn). 2U91, an "ordinary" passenger service, operated with 701037, has just got as far as Clapham Junction on the way to Windsor. Mind you, it is still an additional "only runs if required" service, not a standard timetabled one.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 09:59, 14th December 2022
 
I presume the 701s are classed as metro, and hence no loos?

On the contrary; among SWR's effusive introduction to their Arterios:
The entire Arterio fleet offers free onboard Wi-Fi so customers can answer emails and search the web on the go. Live on-train customer information systems will deliver real-time travel information, allowing our customers to plan their onward journeys whilst still onboard.

Fully accessible bioreactor Controlled Emission Toilets (CET), including for those using wheelchairs, will be available across the entire fleet. These types of toilets are the first to be rolled out on an entire UK fleet and are used in Europe, including the Netherlands and Switzerland. CET toilets biologically and thermally treat waste to produce wastewater which is compliant with EU bathing water standards. Once the trains are introduced, there will be 1 toilet per every 5-car train and 2 per every 10-car train.

There will be several multi-use spaces available, where seating can be tipped up to accommodate prams or luggage, as well as overhead storage racks above the 2 by 2 seating. Dedicated wheelchair spaces are available on each new Arterio train, with 2 and 4 spaces in every five-car and ten-car train respectively.

There are dedicated cycle racks available across the fleet meaning customers can safely and conveniently store their bicycles. For every five-car train, 3 bike spaces will be made available for customers, and 6 spaces on every ten-car train.

Most of that material is from 2020 - a year after and their first due date - and now all actual dates have been removed, leaving this:
When can customers ride the first Arterio?

We are committed to ensuring our customers, and the communities we serve, can benefit from extra capacity, better quality, and more comfortable and reliable services as soon as possible. We'll update customers in due course on when the first train will be arriving at your station.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by CyclingSid at 06:56, 14th December 2022
 
I presume the 701s are classed as metro, and hence no loos?

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by IndustryInsider at 21:01, 13th December 2022
 
Will we see Class 455s still in service in 2024 I wonder?

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 20:23, 13th December 2022
 
According to this BBC article, we're now on a promise! A vague one, of course.
First of £1bn trains to run in 2023, South Western Railway says

The first of a new £1bn fleet of trains will enter service in 2023 - three years later than planned, a rail firm has said.

The high-capacity Arterio trains were due to run from December 2019 on South Western Railway (SWR) routes to Reading and Windsor in Berkshire.

SWR previously said the delay was due to the impact of Covid-19. However, there have also been reports of faults.

The rail operator has accepted 24 of 90 trains from manufacturer Alstom.

The transfer of the first Class 701 units emerged through a Freedom of Information (FoI) request by passenger Rich Williams, which has been seen by the BBC.

The Department for Transport (DfT) replied: "Work continues with Alstom for a pre-passenger service software update... in order to bring those units to entry into service standard.

"Mainline driver training is scheduled to commence in the new year."

That's rather misleading, I think. The status update that Paul Clifton has got is probably more accurate:
The fleet of 750 Derby-built carriages has faced numerous software faults which have still not been fully resolved, BBC South transport correspondent Paul Clifton said.

Problems with door obstacle detectors have prevented the trains from being accepted for driver training, according to the train drivers' union ASLEF.

Other reported issues have included the coupling process, faulty windscreen wipers and cab doors that were difficult to open.

SWR previously said the trains would carry more people and reduce journey times on routes in Berkshire and Surrey.

It has now confirmed they will enter service "as early in the New Year as possible".

And here's Alstom, making sure they get their excuse in:
Alstom said it had acquired the trains' previous manufacturer Bombardier at the end of 2020, long after the project's due completion date.

A spokesman said: "Since then Alstom has delivered the same model of train to other customers including the Elizabeth Line which are operating very successfully."

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by CyclingSid at 07:16, 11th May 2022
 
Saw one out in the wild on Saturday.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 11:04, 10th May 2022
 
After several months of the same thing - reports of naughty software, ASLEF insisting the cabs needed changing, and trains shuffling between places where some of their arms-length list of other faults could be fixed ... a sniff of progress at last! There was a "meet the manager" event for a 701 (or was it "meet the 701" for managers?) last week.

An article in RAIL magazine (posted in railforums) includes DfT's reply to an FoI request about what ailed the 701 programme.  That identifies the issues:
The DfT stated that the biggest problem “has been the inconsistency of the software to improve the performance and reliability of the trains”.

It added: “The issues experienced are not consistent on every unit. Core activities such as splitting and joining and train preparation have proved challenging.”

Other problems during testing have included:

    Computer control unit issues.
    Passenger information screen irregularities.
    Configuration irregularities.
    Wheel slide protection faults.
    Driver machine interface merging issues.

And now there are reports that ASLEF have finally signed an agreement about driving the things, so training will start soon (though the RAIL article implied the dotted line was still unsigned then). Whether the cabs have to be as was, as is, or after any more changes, is not clear.

This morning BBC TV local news reported a DfT "announcement" of some kind, that they were confident SWR would have a plan for entry into service by the end of June (that's the date for the plan, not entry into service, of course). Presumably that's based on something more direct than the FoI/RAIL route.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 19:47, 11th January 2022
 
SWR put out a statement today about why they are keeping some of their 707s until August, rather than passing them on to Southern. Obviously the reason is the lack of 701s. And that, they put bluntly, is Alstom's issue to fix (the blunt part of this was quoted on BBC South Today yesterday). Here's the key bit:
12 out of 30 of SWR’s 707 fleet was due to move to the Southeastern network but, following an agreement signed between the two train companies, SWR’s lease on the units has been extended until August 2022.

The move is set to alleviate future pressure on SWR’s train capacity, which – prior to passenger numbers reducing as a result of Omicron - had been impacted by the altered Arterio introduction. SWR is waiting for manufacturer Alstom to supply a train that performs to specification and will deliver consistently better journeys for customers and colleagues. When they do, SWR will begin its extensive programme of testing, training and business mobilisation.

Pre-empting the Arterio introduction, SWR refrained from spending significant sums - at a time of significantly reduced passenger numbers - on overhauling trains which were due to be retired and replaced, resulting in pre-Omicron challenges around fleet availability and capacity.

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by CyclingSid at 07:04, 24th November 2021
 
No hurry at all…the 455s they replace are still in reasonable nick!

And from a cyclists point of view possibly better, as SWR's most recent improvements have removed cycle spaces on trains. I will have to wait and see, especially how bikes work from Reading in the morning peak (don't tell me, I know and I don't, but plenty do).

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:51, 23rd November 2021
 
No hurry at all…the 455s they replace are still in reasonable nick!

Re: SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 17:52, 23rd November 2021
 
When the order for these new trains was announced, they were due to turn up from the middle of 2019. However, there are a lot of other Aventras a-building, and most of those have been late getting onto service. So who thinks they will actually be running to and from Reading by May 2019?

Two years, at least one Pandemic, and several excuses from Bombardier about "unforeseen software" later, I seen one!

True they have been doing some runs around Aldershot and Waterloo and the SWML for some time, but for the last few days have been venturing as far as Reading too. This was TSC'd as operated by GBRf, which implies mileage accumulation/fault-free running. It actually ran with TD 5Q05 in the WTT, but shown as 522X (and ZZ) in the signalling diagrams, and was 710025.

But there are now also paths in the WTT for trains operated as ECS by SWR, via Reading. The TSC picked is for a default consist of 2x450, but I expect it to be a 701 when it arrives. Not that any of those has yet run, but there's no hurry, is there?

SWR's new Class 701 trains
Posted by stuving at 18:51, 7th December 2018
 
When the order for these new trains was announced, they were due to turn up from the middle of 2019. However, there are a lot of other Aventras a-building, and most of those have been late getting onto service. So who thinks they will actually be running to and from Reading by May 2019?

SWR do, that's who. These posters went up a few days ago, implying that they need to stop selling first class tickets before the next timetable ends. (Taken at a funny angle to try to avoid reflections, not altogether successfully.) I guess we may need a thread to discuss the trains, when they do turn up, and any delay to that.

PS: There is a second poster saying "as part of our £90 million station improvement programme work to install new ticket gates will start here in mid November 2018". I wonder, how many station users will regard that as an improvement? (And yes, the original is commaless.)

 
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