Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:21, 23rd November 2024 |
............similar story with the Reading-Gatwick service too..........although no road replacement there, customers being told to travel "much earlier"
With four return trips being cancelled so far (with no successive cancellations) on a twice per hour service, there is only a delay of 30 minutes to most prospective passengers, less on parts of the route that SWR overlap.
I would imagine any form of road replacement would be of little use given how much slower it generally is?
Just quoting GWR.............SWR also have a number of cancellations on their Gatwick services.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:42, 23rd November 2024 |
............similar story with the Reading-Gatwick service too..........although no road replacement there, customers being told to travel "much earlier"
With four return trips being cancelled so far (with no successive cancellations) on a twice per hour service, there is only a delay of 30 minutes to most prospective passengers, less on parts of the route that SWR overlap.
I would imagine any form of road replacement would be of little use given how much slower it generally is?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:14, 23rd November 2024 |
............similar story with the Reading-Gatwick service too..........although no road replacement there, customers being told to travel "much earlier"
Cancellations to services between Reading and Basingstoke
Due to a shortage of train crew between Reading and Basingstoke fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Due to crew shortages between Reading to Basingstoke (return) fewer trains will run. Rail replacement transport has been requested. However, transport is limited and will be running late. Where possible please speak to station staff.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 10:01, 23rd November 2024 |
Out and about this morning ... and the train departure screen has a rolling message telling you that trains will be disturbed tomorrow due to "Engineering works between London and Reading and crew availability". It goes on to tell you to check your journey on Sunday morning and I wondered and I wonder whatever has happened to things like the 12 week notice of disruption to plan ahead. There ARE lots of signs already about the engineering closure from Chippenham through to Westbury and Frome from 24th December to 24th January.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 17:36, 22nd November 2024 |
You can’t keep telling people every weekend We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary yet that’s what GWR keep saying.
…is this even news any more??
Sigh, not really. I saw what TG posted above on the GWR website on Wednesday evening but couldn’t be bothered to post it as I think the expectation is that mass cancellations will continue to happen for the foreseeable.My wife has to travel to Stansted airport on Sunday afternoon. Just booked the ticket but in the knowledge that come Sunday morning the train she’s booked on to London may be cancelled and we’ll have to adjust plans accordingly. Pathetic that we won’t know until then. I know we’re not the only ones.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 14:31, 22nd November 2024 |
Just quote reply. They can't turn that option off
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:24, 22nd November 2024 |
......here we go again! Another weekend......so.....
The message on Twitter/X makes specific reference to crew shortage.....and as seems usual now GWR have turned off the ability to reply with any questions etc....Great customer service!
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 14:06, 22nd November 2024 |
From the BBC ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e8y2xxldlo )... is this even news any more??
Rail passengers in the West are being warned of "significant disruption" to train services on Sunday.
Great Western Railway (GWR) said a combination of engineering work and uncertainty over crew availability means services will be severely affected.
No trains will operate between London Paddington and Reading before 11.15 GMT, and afterwards reduced services will run between London and Bristol, Devon and Cornwall.
GWR said tickets for Sunday would be valid on Saturday 23 or Monday 25 November.
It also said that journey planners will not show all the changes to their timetables before Sunday morning because of the complexity of updating the timetable.
On Sunday morning, services will start from or end at Reading, where travellers can change for services to Waterloo station, or local trains to Slough and replacement bus services to Ealing Broadway to access the London Underground.
Travellers are being advised to only travel if absolutely necessary.
Great Western Railway (GWR) said a combination of engineering work and uncertainty over crew availability means services will be severely affected.
No trains will operate between London Paddington and Reading before 11.15 GMT, and afterwards reduced services will run between London and Bristol, Devon and Cornwall.
GWR said tickets for Sunday would be valid on Saturday 23 or Monday 25 November.
It also said that journey planners will not show all the changes to their timetables before Sunday morning because of the complexity of updating the timetable.
On Sunday morning, services will start from or end at Reading, where travellers can change for services to Waterloo station, or local trains to Slough and replacement bus services to Ealing Broadway to access the London Underground.
Travellers are being advised to only travel if absolutely necessary.
MOVED: Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:35, 20th November 2024 |
Some recent posts from this topic have been moved to Frequent Posters Club, due to concerns from our members over the terminology used in them.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=29501.0
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 22:09, 19th November 2024 |
I was waiting at Didcot for that service when it was announced as being cancelled at Reading. Managed to catch the 387s in front to Reading then via the land of the stabiliser rail to Vauxhall for the Blunderground to Kings Cross and my Eurostar to Brussels.
Sensible alternative ... but not what I would have thought of. How did you come up with that - natural knowledge of did something / someone waymark you to it?
Natural knowledge. I have always used my free travel facilities.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 21:15, 19th November 2024 |
It's certainly the way I would have thought of going in those circumstances too - although I wouldn't know how long it would take - and whether I would have caught a particular Eurostar - without sitting down & working it through.
Has to be quicker than DID->RDG->Ealing Broadway & Underground
Has to be quicker than DID->RDG->Ealing Broadway & Underground
I might have wondered about Oxford - Marylebone - 205
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 20:55, 19th November 2024 |
It's certainly the way I would have thought of going in those circumstances too - although I wouldn't know how long it would take - and whether I would have caught a particular Eurostar - without sitting down & working it through.
Has to be quicker than DID->RDG->Ealing Broadway & Underground
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 20:50, 19th November 2024 |
I was waiting at Didcot for that service when it was announced as being cancelled at Reading. Managed to catch the 387s in front to Reading then via the land of the stabiliser rail to Vauxhall for the Blunderground to Kings Cross and my Eurostar to Brussels.
Sensible alternative ... but not what I would have thought of. How did you come up with that - natural knowledge of did something / someone waymark you to it?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 20:27, 19th November 2024 |
I was waiting at Didcot for that service when it was announced as being cancelled at Reading. Managed to catch the 387s in front to Reading then via the land of the stabiliser rail to Vauxhall for the Blunderground to Kings Cross and my Eurostar to Brussels.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by bobm at 12:55, 19th November 2024 |
The gateline at Swindon was open. On board there were no ticket checks, let alone a look at reservations. However there were no issues with capacity.
The only snag was the broken rail at Acton Main Line - so I never actually got to Euston with the train terminating at Reading! Fortunately there was a service back to Swindon within ten minutes.
As an aside all the screens on the platform (as above) and onboard the displays and announcements coped with London Euston. However the platform announcements just left an embarrassing gap every time the terminus should have been mentioned.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by GBM at 07:54, 19th November 2024 |
How did it all go on Sunday at Euston?
Was wondering how 'reservations only' were policed.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 00:45, 19th November 2024 |
these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Is this a dangerous precedent - a move away from the turn up and go railway/ In the past I have seem occasional national franchise services that have been "reservation only" but there have always been alternative train not too long before or after that have served the same stations.
Does this apply to any GWR journeys departing Euston too?
I have a vision of the scene at Euston, already unsafe*, whereby the platform is as usual announced at short notice & the resulting stampede is stopped in its tracks and backed up by Gateline staff trying to check reservations as well as tickets, and the inevitable arguments with those that don't have one.
* I've checked with my Boss and I won't be sacked for stating that!
Yes, Westbound too. One of the key purposes of "reservations only" if to ensure that passengers travelling from London are given that extra alert as they book and reserve to stop them turning up as usual at Paddington having made the assumption ...
Having seen the Euston stampede on more than one occasion that is truly a scary prospect if they are going to be checking tickets & reservations before boarding, and let's face it if they don't it's hardly worth telling people it's reservations only.
How did it all go on Sunday at Euston?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by bobm at 18:23, 17th November 2024 |
There is England v the Republic of Ireland at Wembley today which may attract a few and England rugby yesterday.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:10, 17th November 2024 |
No school holidays/football matches or any other of the usual excuses that I'm aware of?
Christmas shopping with their back-pay, along with using up annual leave I suspect
......two more off the GWR crew shortage Bingo card!
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 13:05, 17th November 2024 |
No school holidays/football matches or any other of the usual excuses that I'm aware of?
Christmas shopping with their back-pay, along with using up annual leave I suspect
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 13:04, 17th November 2024 |
Oh. That'll be useful - for someone.
Gets the first train into Euston for a Westbound departure.
Would have formed the second departure (0903 to Swansea, after the 0834 to Penzance) - but was 'promoted' owing to the 0834 being cancelled owing to a broken rail at Acton.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:10, 16th November 2024 |
Today's (Saturdays) cancellation map looks more like a typical Sunday.
Saturdays have been steadily deteriorating with Sundays simply a shambles.
Is this the level of service we can now expect every weekend?
No school holidays/football matches or any other of the usual excuses that I'm aware of?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 20:05, 14th November 2024 |
Oh. That'll be useful - for someone.
Gets the first train into Euston for a Westbound departure.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:35, 14th November 2024 |
Oh. That'll be useful - for someone.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by didcotdean at 19:26, 14th November 2024 |
There is also a single Oxford to Euston service at 0754, calling at Didcot only.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 18:19, 14th November 2024 |
One tph will go to EUS from both the west country & Swansea.
Other services, including others from closer to London from the west country (think Exeter) and Wales (think Cardiff) will go to Reading, so Reading can be reached from all stations. Those that go to Reading connect into slow(er) trains to Ealing or Waterloo.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:31, 14th November 2024 |
I imagine it will largely being used as a general deterrent to travel on those services rather than being rigorously enforced at gatelines on the day.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:22, 14th November 2024 |
these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Is this a dangerous precedent - a move away from the turn up and go railway/ In the past I have seem occasional national franchise services that have been "reservation only" but there have always been alternative train not too long before or after that have served the same stations.
Does this apply to any GWR journeys departing Euston too?
I have a vision of the scene at Euston, already unsafe*, whereby the platform is as usual announced at short notice & the resulting stampede is stopped in its tracks and backed up by Gateline staff trying to check reservations as well as tickets, and the inevitable arguments with those that don't have one.
* I've checked with my Boss and I won't be sacked for stating that!
Yes, Westbound too. One of the key purposes of "reservations only" if to ensure that passengers travelling from London are given that extra alert as they book and reserve to stop them turning up as usual at Paddington having made the assumption ...
Having seen the Euston stampede on more than one occasion that is truly a scary prospect if they are going to be checking tickets & reservations before boarding, and let's face it if they don't it's hardly worth telling people it's reservations only.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TonyK at 17:18, 14th November 2024 |
Quote from yesterday's (11 Nov) Parliamentary debate (relates to GWR staffing
Louise Haigh Portrait Louise Haigh - View Speech - Hansard -
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The hon. Lady is absolutely right, and unfortunately that is the picture across too much of our railways. The workforce terms and conditions are simply not fit for purpose.
Louise Haigh Portrait Louise Haigh - View Speech - Hansard -
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The hon. Lady is absolutely right, and unfortunately that is the picture across too much of our railways. The workforce terms and conditions are simply not fit for purpose.
The term "simply not fit for purpose" has become something of a catchphrase, to be used when someone in authority knows something is wrong, but also understands their complete inability to do anything about it. As a phrase, it's simply not fit for purpose.
In this case, it had to be used because the other standard option, "this is a mess left by the last lot to sort out" wouldn't work. The mess was left by the now-present lot for the last lot to sort out, in the full knowledge that 14 years is too short a time to change agreements between unions and multiple train operating companies plus National Rail. Let's see what happens, but I can't seen a sudden resolution any time soon.
Apologies - somehow my whole post above has got wrapped up as a "Quote" and I cannot unravel it - perhaps I should become a GWR message draftsman.......
It's simply not fit for purpose.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:08, 14th November 2024 |
I think (hope!) I have managed to undo those random quote marks in your post, eightonedee.
CfN.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by eightonedee at 17:00, 14th November 2024 |
Apologies - somehow my whole post above has got wrapped up as a "Quote" and I cannot unravel it - perhaps I should become a GWR message draftsman.......
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by eightonedee at 16:55, 14th November 2024 |
The majority of long-distance services will start from or terminate at Reading, where customers will be able to pick up TfL» Elizabeth line trains to Ealing Broadway and then change for London Underground services into central London.
Those travelling from South Wales, and from Devon and Cornwall, will have one service an hour into London Euston instead. These trains will not stop at Reading. To help keep customers comfortable and minimise crowding, these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Fewer trains will run on other long-distance routes to/from Reading, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Those travelling from South Wales, and from Devon and Cornwall, will have one service an hour into London Euston instead. These trains will not stop at Reading. To help keep customers comfortable and minimise crowding, these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Fewer trains will run on other long-distance routes to/from Reading, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
I have read this several times to try to understand what it is saying. Does this mean that no long distance trains from Devon, Cornwall and South Wales will stop at Reading, but those from everywhere else (Cotswolds, Bristol, Hereford/Worcester) will? But are these "the majority" of long distance trains? And what is a "long distance train"? London to Oxford, or Banbury, or Swindon, or Westbury? Should passengers from Reading or changing there - (for example coming in from Gatwick) and going to South Wales or Devon and Cornwall go somewhere else and change?
And in light of the concern and publicity about crowding at Euston (which presumably will still also be coping with its usual Sunday traffic to Birmingham, the North West and Scotland), wouldn't it be sensible to give passengers a stop at Reading (especially as it now has the through platform capacity) so they can change for Waterloo or Ealing Broadway as alternatives, or if they cannot book in advance?
As for
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show all changes correctly before Sunday morning.
- this looks like "we are a bit of a shambles because we cannot sort out our systems for something we have known about in advance for months"You have to carry on right to the end to get the "only travel if necessary" message. This surely is the main message. It should be at the beginning - the message should -
1- start by saying that considerable disruption caused by major engineering works means Only travel to London by GWR if absolutely necessary.
2- Go on to advise passengers with alternative routes to London that they should use them if possible - from Oxford and beyond should travel to Marylebone, passengers from Reading or Exeter and beyond should consider trains to Waterloo.
3 - Explain clearly which other services will run to and from Reading and which will go to Euston, and what you should do if your train terminates from, or starts at Reading.
Wouldn't that be clearer and better?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 14:34, 14th November 2024 |
these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Is this a dangerous precedent - a move away from the turn up and go railway/ In the past I have seem occasional national franchise services that have been "reservation only" but there have always been alternative train not too long before or after that have served the same stations.
Does this apply to any GWR journeys departing Euston too?
I have a vision of the scene at Euston, already unsafe*, whereby the platform is as usual announced at short notice & the resulting stampede is stopped in its tracks and backed up by Gateline staff trying to check reservations as well as tickets, and the inevitable arguments with those that don't have one.
* I've checked with my Boss and I won't be sacked for stating that!
Yes, Westbound too. One of the key purposes of "reservations only" if to ensure that passengers travelling from London are given that extra alert as they book and reserve to stop them turning up as usual at Paddington having made the assumption ...
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:53, 14th November 2024 |
these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Is this a dangerous precedent - a move away from the turn up and go railway/ In the past I have seem occasional national franchise services that have been "reservation only" but there have always been alternative train not too long before or after that have served the same stations.
Does this apply to any GWR journeys departing Euston too?
I have a vision of the scene at Euston, already unsafe*, whereby the platform is as usual announced at short notice & the resulting stampede is stopped in its tracks and backed up by Gateline staff trying to check reservations as well as tickets, and the inevitable arguments with those that don't have one.
* I've checked with my Boss and I won't be sacked for stating that!
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Hafren at 08:35, 14th November 2024 |
these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Is this a dangerous precedent - a move away from the turn up and go railway/ In the past I have seem occasional national franchise services that have been "reservation only" but there have always been alternative train not too long before or after that have served the same stations.
Especially in the UK setting where even long distance trains aren't running as dedicated high speed services and provide the local service especially on the periphery. I assume reservations only will only be properly enforced towards the London end (if at all) but going by the letter rather than spirit does the person popping into Cardiff or Plymouth "need" to reserve? Even if that's not going to be a problem it is technically saying they do and that's potentially off-putting.
Also it removes flexibility to replan given that delays and cancellations have been promised on this occasion, which will mean potentially two loads of reserved passengers on the next train, and perhaps soemone on a flexible ticket could usually choose to avoid that train. Maybe the Eustons will be "protected" from this but there's no guarantee of this.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:51, 13th November 2024 |
Early heads up: https://www.gwr.com/sunday-disruption
Due to engineering work between Reading and London Paddington, and crew availability, we expect significant disruption to service this Sunday.
The majority of long-distance services will start from or terminate at Reading, where customers will be able to pick up TfL Elizabeth line trains to Ealing Broadway and then change for London Underground services into central London.
Those travelling from South Wales, and from Devon and Cornwall, will have one service an hour into London Euston instead. These trains will not stop at Reading. To help keep customers comfortable and minimise crowding, these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Fewer trains will run on other long-distance routes to/from Reading, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show all changes correctly before Sunday morning.
We're sorry for the impact this will have on your journey. We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary and change plans if possible.
If you have already bought tickets for Sunday 17 November, they will be valid on Saturday 16 or Monday 18 November, or you can claim a full refund.
The majority of long-distance services will start from or terminate at Reading, where customers will be able to pick up TfL Elizabeth line trains to Ealing Broadway and then change for London Underground services into central London.
Those travelling from South Wales, and from Devon and Cornwall, will have one service an hour into London Euston instead. These trains will not stop at Reading. To help keep customers comfortable and minimise crowding, these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Fewer trains will run on other long-distance routes to/from Reading, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show all changes correctly before Sunday morning.
We're sorry for the impact this will have on your journey. We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary and change plans if possible.
If you have already bought tickets for Sunday 17 November, they will be valid on Saturday 16 or Monday 18 November, or you can claim a full refund.
Elizabeth Line running a reduced service too on Sunday.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 19:46, 13th November 2024 |
these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Is this a dangerous precedent - a move away from the turn up and go railway/ In the past I have seem occasional national franchise services that have been "reservation only" but there have always been alternative train not too long before or after that have served the same stations.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 19:12, 13th November 2024 |
Early heads up: https://www.gwr.com/sunday-disruption
Due to engineering work between Reading and London Paddington, and crew availability, we expect significant disruption to service this Sunday.
The majority of long-distance services will start from or terminate at Reading, where customers will be able to pick up TfL Elizabeth line trains to Ealing Broadway and then change for London Underground services into central London.
Those travelling from South Wales, and from Devon and Cornwall, will have one service an hour into London Euston instead. These trains will not stop at Reading. To help keep customers comfortable and minimise crowding, these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Fewer trains will run on other long-distance routes to/from Reading, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show all changes correctly before Sunday morning.
We're sorry for the impact this will have on your journey. We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary and change plans if possible.
If you have already bought tickets for Sunday 17 November, they will be valid on Saturday 16 or Monday 18 November, or you can claim a full refund.
The majority of long-distance services will start from or terminate at Reading, where customers will be able to pick up TfL Elizabeth line trains to Ealing Broadway and then change for London Underground services into central London.
Those travelling from South Wales, and from Devon and Cornwall, will have one service an hour into London Euston instead. These trains will not stop at Reading. To help keep customers comfortable and minimise crowding, these trains will be reservation only and must be booked in advance.
Fewer trains will run on other long-distance routes to/from Reading, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show all changes correctly before Sunday morning.
We're sorry for the impact this will have on your journey. We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary and change plans if possible.
If you have already bought tickets for Sunday 17 November, they will be valid on Saturday 16 or Monday 18 November, or you can claim a full refund.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 18:57, 12th November 2024 |
I’m slightly, just slightly mind, encouraged that there was an acknowledgment from the SoS that there is an issue with GWR, that they are aware of it and are working with GWR to address it.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:52, 12th November 2024 |
Yes, that's how 're-nationalising the railways' will solve all of the problems.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 17:45, 12th November 2024 |
Quote from yesterday's (11 Nov) Parliamentary debate (relates to GWR staffing
“We will not be harmonising contracts or terms and conditions at Great British Railways, as we have established, but we need to get drivers and conductors on modern terms and conditions that reflect the railway that we need.
“We will not be harmonising contracts or terms and conditions at Great British Railways, as we have established, but we need to get drivers and conductors on modern terms and conditions that reflect the railway that we need.
So basically, nothing will change. Expect more disruption and industrial action.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 11:07, 12th November 2024 |
It is well worth reading the whole thread referred to above - which started when the Secretary of State Louise Haigh made a statement on the progress that the set up of GBRailways was making through Parliament.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/our-progress-in-overhauling-the-railways
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by John D at 10:57, 12th November 2024 |
Quote from yesterday's (11 Nov) Parliamentary debate (relates to GWR staffing
Rebecca Smith (South West Devon) (Con) - View Speech - Hansard -
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It has recently been brought to my attention that in Great Western Railway, which serves my constituency in Devon, drivers do not have contracts that ensure a seven-day-a-week service—the contracts do not include Sundays, so trains are regularly cancelled. In fact, four trains were cancelled yesterday, so one lady had been forced to catch the first train today instead. What plans does the Secretary of State have to equalise driver contracts under Great British Railways, to ensure that routes such as Paddington to Devon are fully staffed seven days a week, so that she can fulfil her promise to passengers?
Louise Haigh Portrait Louise Haigh - View Speech - Hansard -
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The hon. Lady is absolutely right, and unfortunately that is the picture across too much of our railways. The workforce terms and conditions are simply not fit for purpose. Part of our inheritance is that we do not have a workforce that can deliver a modern and efficient railway. We are working with Great Western Railway to address that egregious issue, and we will come back to the House shortly to set out our progress.
Later in the debate...
Wera Hobhouse (Bath) (LD) - View Speech - Hansard -
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GWR, which serves my Bath constituency, has been performing in the most disappointing way, to say the least. Especially on Sundays, cancellations and delays are the new norm. Engineering works are among the problems, but the train driver shortage is the biggest problem. What exactly will resolving what the Secretary of State calls the rest day working issue mean for my constituents? When does she expect them to see tangible change?
Louise Haigh Portrait Louise Haigh - View Speech - Hansard -
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The problem across the entire railway is that we do not have sufficient drivers or staff, so too many parts of the railways are reliant on rest day working agreements. We should not have to rely on people volunteering to come on shift in order to run a Sunday service, but unfortunately that is the case at Great Western Railway. We will not be harmonising contracts or terms and conditions at Great British Railways, as we have established, but we need to get drivers and conductors on modern terms and conditions that reflect the railway that we need. We are attempting to address the specific issue at Great Western Railway; as I say, we will come back to the House soon with an update on progress.
https://parallelparliament.co.uk/debate/2024-11-11/commons/commons-chamber/rail-performance
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by PhilWakely at 10:10, 11th November 2024 |
Next Sunday (17/11/24) could be interesting. Ealing Broadway to Paddington will be closed and services diverted into Euston, so I can see a couple of scenarios....
- many 'bashers' may be stranded when (if) they reach Euston; or
- some drivers will want the opportunity of going into Euston, so rostering won't prove difficult.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 17:43, 10th November 2024 |
More train crew isn't the answer unless Sundays are correctly rostered in the working week. Not committed Sundays and therefore enforced overtime but as part of the base roster.
It would also help if the staff weren't travelling around then working a train for 30 minutes before another crew change.
As I've stated previously this problem is only 30 years old...
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 16:05, 10th November 2024 |
Not all the delay repay claims are related to staff shortages. Infrastructure failures, especially those impacting peak services, are likely to result in a significant percentage of those claims, not least of which because regular travellers will be used to claiming.
Which is why I've looked at a modest reduction and not an elimination. The easy things to sort out are those with a single cause / weak point, but we have many issues; in this case I'm thinking that perhaps 60% to 70% are down to crew and it's a good place to start.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 16:00, 10th November 2024 |
... what have I missed?
Erm…that 25 more crew on the books would barely make any difference?
Perhaps. But we reassured from some sources that on a day by day basis they're only a handful of crews short across the whole area, so who to believe? By the way I costed "25 more crewS" [of 2] rather than "25 more crew"
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:43, 10th November 2024 |
... what have I missed?
Erm…that 25 more crew on the books would barely make any difference?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by nickswift99 at 15:29, 10th November 2024 |
Not all the delay repay claims are related to staff shortages. Infrastructure failures, especially those impacting peak services, are likely to result in a significant percentage of those claims, not least of which because regular travellers will be used to claiming.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 15:22, 10th November 2024 |
According to the GWR website, they’re paying out between £2m to £3m a month in delay repay.
About £80,000 per day ...
Put another way ... £30 million a year. If it costs £300k per annum to employ a train crew, that's 100 train crews. Let's say they had 25 more crews, which is many more than they say they need, would that allow them to halve the delays. Looks to me like they'll end up £7.5 million better off ... what have I missed?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 15:11, 10th November 2024 |
According to the GWR website, they’re paying out between £2m to £3m a month in delay repay.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:32, 10th November 2024 |
At the moment, there’s probably a huge amount being paid out in delay repay, replacement coaches and taxis so presumably someone is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Absolutely, but that is reliant on people claiming delay repay. How many don’t? I suspect it’s quite a lot.Meanwhile, started the day with 23 cancellations, now up to 75
I suspect there'll be fewer people claiming delay/repay pretty soon as they'll be travelling by other means knowing that they can't rely on GWR on Sundays.
It's just possible then, when revenue starts to tank, that all concerned will wish they'd tried a bit harder to reach a solution.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 13:14, 10th November 2024 |
At the moment, there’s probably a huge amount being paid out in delay repay, replacement coaches and taxis so presumably someone is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Absolutely, but that is reliant on people claiming delay repay. How many don’t? I suspect it’s quite a lot.Meanwhile, started the day with 23 cancellations, now up to 75
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 11:51, 10th November 2024 |
I genuinely hope Hopwood is taking the approach suggested by his PR team in order to find solutions, rather than simply sitting back saying "DfT problem".
I guess it's worth bearing in mind as well however, that these highly paid managers in GWR must be conscious that their sinecures are coming to an end given the new Government's commitment once existing contracts expire, and it's only natural for their motivation to slip somewhat in these circumstances as "dead men walking" - so to speak!!!
I guess it's worth bearing in mind as well however, that these highly paid managers in GWR must be conscious that their sinecures are coming to an end given the new Government's commitment once existing contracts expire, and it's only natural for their motivation to slip somewhat in these circumstances as "dead men walking" - so to speak!!!
Again, he shouldn’t need to find solutions….. there’s only one and that’s increasing the rate of pay for Sunday’s. Obviously someone somewhere is not agreeing to that happening. At the moment, there’s probably a huge amount being paid out in delay repay, replacement coaches and taxis so presumably someone is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by brooklea at 09:59, 10th November 2024 |
According to GWR Journeycheck 1518 Penzance to Paddington cancelled with 1618 & 1755 both terminating at Plymouth.
According to National Rail all three are cancelled throughout - which should be believed?
(Both agree it's due to crew shortage though)
..........can add the 1650 to that list too according to NR
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/journey-planner/?type=single&origin=PNZ&destination=PAD&leavingType=departing&leavingDate=101124&leavingHour=14&leavingMin=00&adults=1&extraTime=0#O
According to National Rail all three are cancelled throughout - which should be believed?
(Both agree it's due to crew shortage though)
..........can add the 1650 to that list too according to NR
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/journey-planner/?type=single&origin=PNZ&destination=PAD&leavingType=departing&leavingDate=101124&leavingHour=14&leavingMin=00&adults=1&extraTime=0#O
The two websites agree, depending on the search parameters input - ask National Rail for options from Penzance to Plymouth and the trains listed are shown as running; but for journeys beyond Plymouth onto Paddington they come up as cancelled, as the journey requested can’t be completed.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:43, 10th November 2024 |
According to GWR Journeycheck 1518 Penzance to Paddington cancelled with 1618 & 1755 both terminating at Plymouth.
According to National Rail all three are cancelled throughout - which should be believed?
(Both agree it's due to crew shortage though)
..........can add the 1650 to that list too according to NR
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/journey-planner/?type=single&origin=PNZ&destination=PAD&leavingType=departing&leavingDate=101124&leavingHour=14&leavingMin=00&adults=1&extraTime=0#O
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Marlburian at 18:12, 9th November 2024 |
... I guess it's worth bearing in mind as well however, that these highly paid managers in GWR must be conscious that their sinecures are coming to an end given the new Government's commitment once existing contracts expire...
Who's going to replace them?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:50, 9th November 2024 |
In a way, GWR don't operate the contract stipulated by DfT because there is a published DfT Business requirements specifying first and last trains and frequency for each route, associated with the contract, and that is not being met.
That relates to the pre-pandemic contract. The new post-pandemic contract does not have these stipulations, just a timetable that has to be operated, if everything like staffing is adequate, which it obviously isn't - so as a-driver states correctly, it is for the DfT to find a solution that works.
I genuinely hope Hopwood is taking the approach suggested by his PR team in order to find solutions, rather than simply sitting back saying "DfT problem".
I guess it's worth bearing in mind as well however, that these highly paid managers in GWR must be conscious that their sinecures are coming to an end given the new Government's commitment once existing contracts expire, and it's only natural for their motivation to slip somewhat in these circumstances as "dead men walking" - so to speak!!!
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 15:10, 9th November 2024 |
In a way, GWR don't operate the contract stipulated by DfT because there is a published DfT Business requirements specifying first and last trains and frequency for each route, associated with the contract, and that is not being met.
Possibly the contract daftly (DfT-ly ?) makes it cheaper to not operate minimum, and accept any penalty, than trying to deliver it.
Possibly the contract daftly (DfT-ly ?) makes it cheaper to not operate minimum, and accept any penalty, than trying to deliver it.
As I understand it, the contract does also include a measure of disruption / unreliability that's allowed, accepting that things will never be 100%. Delay attribution calculations are done so that GWR are not financially liable (for example) for a failure to run services when the tracks are flooded, and this attribution can get silly at times - if a train hits a small bird it is treated differently to a train hitting a big bird. I have asked one of the managers concerned what the measure of disruption actually allowed is, and understand that it varies; I also got the message that I am probably not bright enough to understand the algorithm used even if I were told. I may not have got that message quite as it was intended, mind you.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 15:08, 9th November 2024 |
In a way, GWR don't operate the contract stipulated by DfT because there is a published DfT Business requirements specifying first and last trains and frequency for each route, associated with the contract, and that is not being met.
That relates to the pre-pandemic contract. The new post-pandemic contract does not have these stipulations, just a timetable that has to be operated, if everything like staffing is adequate, which it obviously isn't - so as a-driver states correctly, it is for the DfT to find a solution that works.
And Armistice Day is MONDAY this year, not tomorrow.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:01, 9th November 2024 |
Just a reminder of the position from the GWR PR machine......
We’re also looking at what interim measures we could take to help improve colleague availability on Sundays and are talking to the Department for Transport about what may be possible as any changes require their approval. Mark Hopwood, our MD, is clear that the current situation is unsustainable, this is a top priority for the business to look to resolve and that most importantly our customers should expect us to run the advertised timetable.
That reads to me that GWR acknowledge at least some ownership of the issues sits with them, notwithstanding it may need DfT signoff - so what are these proposed changes?
There's also the small matter of this event tomorrow............I wonder what provisions are being made?
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24707925.gwr-set-armistice-day-event-paddington-station/
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by John D at 14:36, 9th November 2024 |
So, GWR are actively putting pressure on the DfT to allow them to hire more crews?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
GWR don’t need to put pressure on the DfT. GWR operate under the terms of a contract stipulated by the DfT.
If the DfT are unhappy with what’s being provided it is down to the DfT to find and fund a solution.
In a way, GWR don't operate the contract stipulated by DfT because there is a published DfT Business requirements specifying first and last trains and frequency for each route, associated with the contract, and that is not being met.
Possibly the contract daftly (DfT-ly ?) makes it cheaper to not operate minimum, and accept any penalty, than trying to deliver it.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 14:16, 9th November 2024 |
Don't wish for what may be a disaster for rail....another Beeching-esque report. The DfT tasking GBR to organise the timetable after nationalisation is complete that breaks even.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:26, 9th November 2024 |
I don't believe, sadly, that it's as simple as either of those views, though both have a strong element of truth in them. Six of one, half a dozen of the other - with neither organisation putting the customer service at an appropriately high priority. Or, perhaps, they are both of the view that the "customer" is the other organisation in their marriage and they look after and defend their partner and stand by them to the virtual exclusion of others?
Sadly it is that simple. GWR effectively just manage day to day operations as stipulated by their contract and are paid a set fee to do so. If the contract prevents them running the timetable then that's an issue the DfT needs to resolve with agreement with GWR. The fact the issue with crewing availability has persisted for so long without comment or action from the DfT tells you exactly who is responsible, add to that, the same issue occurs on Northern Rail who is operated by DOHL. If the DfT had any intention of resolving the issue they would have done so with Northern Rail by now.
Still, as we've been told, the new Government, "Nationalisation" & GBR will sort it all out and the railways will move onto broad, sunlit uplands with unprecedented levels of efficiency, reliability, customer service and satisfaction.................won't they?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 09:00, 9th November 2024 |
I don't believe, sadly, that it's as simple as either of those views, though both have a strong element of truth in them. Six of one, half a dozen of the other - with neither organisation putting the customer service at an appropriately high priority. Or, perhaps, they are both of the view that the "customer" is the other organisation in their marriage and they look after and defend their partner and stand by them to the virtual exclusion of others?
Sadly it is that simple. GWR effectively just manage day to day operations as stipulated by their contract and are paid a set fee to do so. If the contract prevents them running the timetable then that's an issue the DfT needs to resolve with agreement with GWR. The fact the issue with crewing availability has persisted for so long without comment or action from the DfT tells you exactly who is responsible, add to that, the same issue occurs on Northern Rail who is operated by DOHL. If the DfT had any intention of resolving the issue they would have done so with Northern Rail by now.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 07:59, 9th November 2024 |
So, GWR are actively putting pressure on the DfT to allow them to hire more crews?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
GWR don’t need to put pressure on the DfT. GWR operate under the terms of a contract stipulated by the DfT.
If the DfT are unhappy with what’s being provided it is down to the DfT to find and fund a solution.
I don't believe, sadly, that it's as simple as either of those views, though both have a strong element of truth in them. Six of one, half a dozen of the other - with neither organisation putting the customer service at an appropriately high priority. Or, perhaps, they are both of the view that the "customer" is the other organisation in their marriage and they look after and defend their partner and stand by them to the virtual exclusion of others?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 23:03, 8th November 2024 |
So, GWR are actively putting pressure on the DfT to allow them to hire more crews?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
GWR don’t need to put pressure on the DfT. GWR operate under the terms of a contract stipulated by the DfT.
If the DfT are unhappy with what’s being provided it is down to the DfT to find and fund a solution.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 22:41, 8th November 2024 |
I’m cross with GWR because they surely must know full well that they cannot operate the current Sunday timetable due to staffing issues, which I know is out of their hands, but won’t produce a revised timetable that they have a much better chance of operating.
There's a BIG difference between XC's *temporary* timetable - finishing in 10 days time - and a GWR Sunday timetable that would be anything other than temporary, until their DfT masters allowed them to hire more crews, and get them trained up. How long might that take? So this will continue, even if the DfT take the keys back early.
So, GWR are actively putting pressure on the DfT to allow them to hire more crews?
Any evidence of this from Hopwood & a response from Haigh?
Any evidence of any other solutions being sought by GWR? Even if only temporary?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 22:02, 8th November 2024 |
There's a BIG difference between XC's *temporary* timetable - finishing in 10 days time - and a GWR Sunday timetable that would be anything other than temporary, until their DfT masters allowed them to hire more crews, and get them trained up. How long might that take? So this will continue, even if the DfT take the keys back early.
Sure, it’s been bad for many years, longer than this thread has been going, but when GWR are putting out messages like they have these past few weeks, the timetable needs revising.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 20:34, 8th November 2024 |
I’m cross with GWR because they surely must know full well that they cannot operate the current Sunday timetable due to staffing issues, which I know is out of their hands, but won’t produce a revised timetable that they have a much better chance of operating.
There's a BIG difference between XC's *temporary* timetable - finishing in 10 days time - and a GWR Sunday timetable that would be anything other than temporary, until their DfT masters allowed them to hire more crews, and get them trained up. How long might that take? So this will continue, even if the DfT take the keys back early.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 20:28, 8th November 2024 |
It's particularly disappointing, bearing in mind Sunday is Remembrance Sunday. Many veterans, members of their family and others, will be wanting to travel to attend parades and services.
That is a very poor show by GWR - and I'm not generally known for criticising them in public.
You’re not the only one who’s not impressed: https://x.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1854958328557814099?s=61That is a very poor show by GWR - and I'm not generally known for criticising them in public.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 19:27, 8th November 2024 |
I’m cross with GWR because they surely must know full well that they cannot operate the current Sunday timetable due to staffing issues, which I know is out of their hands, but won’t produce a revised timetable that they have a much better chance of operating.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:15, 8th November 2024 |
It's particularly disappointing, bearing in mind Sunday is Remembrance Sunday. Many veterans, members of their family and others, will be wanting to travel to attend parades and services.
That is a very poor show by GWR - and I'm not generally known for criticising them in public.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 19:07, 8th November 2024 |
Here we go again!
When are GWR going to stop messing passengers about every weekend, admit they simply cannot run the timetabled service anymore and do what Cross Country have done and issue a revised more reliable timetable to give people more certainty that their train will actually run?
This is ridiculous every Friday saying we can’t run the scheduled service on Sunday but can’t tell you what’s running until Sunday morning. It’s pathetic. Do GWR realise how stupid it’s making them look? Government really needs to step in here. This has gone on for far too long.
From X https://x.com/gwrhelp/status/1854933641421287845?s=61
⚠️Service update - Sunday 10 November ⚠️
Due to crew availability, we expect significant disruption to services on Sunday. A significantly reduced, amended timetable will be in place for services between London - Bristol Temple Meads and London - South Wales.
Fewer trains will run on these routes, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show changes correctly before Sunday morning.
We're sorry for the impact this will have on your journey.
❗️ We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary and change plans if possible ❗️
If you've already bought tickets for Sunday 10, they are valid on Saturday 9 or Monday 11 November, or you can claim a full refund at GWR.com/refunds
Due to crew availability, we expect significant disruption to services on Sunday. A significantly reduced, amended timetable will be in place for services between London - Bristol Temple Meads and London - South Wales.
Fewer trains will run on these routes, and those that do will be very busy. Services may also be cancelled or delayed at short notice.
Because of the late notice changes, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show changes correctly before Sunday morning.
We're sorry for the impact this will have on your journey.
❗️ We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary and change plans if possible ❗️
If you've already bought tickets for Sunday 10, they are valid on Saturday 9 or Monday 11 November, or you can claim a full refund at GWR.com/refunds
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 12:19, 5th November 2024 |
"Save the Train" has - yes - it still applies - four stages
1. Make people who can do something aware and acknowledge there is a matter that needs to be dealt with
1. Make people who can do something aware and acknowledge there is a matter that needs to be dealt with
In fairness, we’ve been barely made stage 1 and haven’t done so for decades. The people who can do something are aware…… they just turn a blind eye and ignore the issue, issues that have been staring them straight in the face for the past couple of decades.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 07:31, 5th November 2024 |
Quite amazing how this sort of disruption has become normalised / not newsworthy.
"Mark Hopwood, our MD, is clear that the current situation is unsustainable" - Given this, I am sure we will notice a step change very soon!
News is about what is not the norm. The norm is now a service that does not run run to the timetable and it is not news (*)
"Save the Train" has - yes - it still applies - four stages
1. Make people who can do something aware and acknowledge there is a matter that needs to be dealt with
2. Get it worked out what needs doing and how it should / will be done
3. Get it done
4. Monitor it, promote it, tune it, make sure it remains done and keep at having it stay done
Lots of overlapping matters but let's try "Is our public transport network fit for future purpose and use?".
In general across the UK passenger train and bus network, we are at stage 1 indeed getting it well through it as most people acknowledge there's an issue. Some people are working on stage 2. We have a long way to go but we're getting to a point where it's becoming common knowledge that something must be done.
"Save the Train" was/is to work out what's an appropriate train service through Melksham. There is an activity flow that's tuning it to a clockface hourly service ... with a shorter term action to tune it to providing the current timetabled service and isn't just a hopeful timetable. It's at stage 4.
(*) - but yet this forum has been getting busier with news talk all year - at a time when it should be fading into history with modern social media of a new generation of system it is not ...
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:56, 5th November 2024 |
Quite amazing how this sort of disruption has become normalised / not newsworthy.
"Mark Hopwood, our MD, is clear that the current situation is unsustainable" - Given this, I am sure we will notice a step change very soon!
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Trowres at 22:02, 4th November 2024 |
Mottisfont.
Hope I don't start any arguments about "significance".
Needed to find somewhere to spend six hours on a very grey November day.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:51, 4th November 2024 |
... so Trowres spent the intervening hours visiting the nearest significant National Trust location.
Stratfield Saye, possibly?
Err, no: that's not National Trust. Sorry.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Trowres at 21:35, 4th November 2024 |
Trowres Jr. was attending an event in London yesterday, planned months ago, so "do not travel" was not an option. Given that it was impossible to rely upon anything actually running on GWR, the decision was made to trek across Wiltshire to catch a SWR service at Andover. ( Nice to have Salisbury totally blocked on the same day as Swindon-Didcot ).
Of course, Trowres Jr. needed picking up later in the day, so Trowres spent the intervening hours visiting the nearest significant National Trust location. Not bad, but not how I had intended to spend the day. 108 extra car miles.
SWR managed to run the required trains... just about. I noted several later trains to/from Andover in the evening were cancelled.
Quite amazing how this sort of disruption has become normalised / not newsworthy.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Mark A at 22:54, 3rd November 2024 |
Heard from my contact leaving the country. They took the train from Swansea to Reading that departed Bath 13:42, very full and standing on arrival at Bath, standing room only.
Then bumped into two ex-neighbours heading home, who'd been booked on to the 14:05 from Paddington. That was cancelled: they caught the 14:50 which left at 15:23 but did have seats for them, and did get them in a little before the last Sunday bus runs up the hill here.
Mark
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by a-driver at 20:09, 3rd November 2024 |
1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.
Any idea what GWR are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)
Paddington to Cardiff with a change at Worcestershire Pa ... oh no ... blocked west of Reading. Take a train headed to the South West and change at Westbury (if it calls there) or Taunton if it doesn't?
I'm sure that'll work like a dream
Isn’t the 23:33 running?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:39, 3rd November 2024 |
1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.
Any idea what GWR are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)
Paddington to Cardiff with a change at Worcestershire Pa ... oh no ... blocked west of Reading. Take a train headed to the South West and change at Westbury (if it calls there) or Taunton if it doesn't?
I'm sure that'll work like a dream
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 17:50, 3rd November 2024 |
1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.
Any idea what GWR are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)
Paddington to Cardiff with a change at Worcestershire Pa ... oh no ... blocked west of Reading. Take a train headed to the South West and change at Westbury (if it calls there) or Taunton if it doesn't?
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:18, 3rd November 2024 |
I feel sorry for anyone trying to travel between Paddington - Bristol/Cardiff/Swansea today. It seems absolutely chaotic.
This is indeed fun ... writing at 16:00 looking at Bath Spa. The next Paddington train at 16:43 is cancelled and for London the offering is:
17:40 London Paddington
Calling at: Reading (18:49), London Paddington (19:26) (GWR)
Last report: Between Port Talbot P'way and Bridgend (15:41)
Note: This train has 9 coaches This train is full and standing
Calling at: Reading (18:49), London Paddington (19:26) (GWR)
Last report: Between Port Talbot P'way and Bridgend (15:41)
Note: This train has 9 coaches This train is full and standing
It's ...
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington today at 19:26 (would be 9 trains for an hourly service)
on a weekday it would be
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington at 18:14 (7 trains for an hourly service)
1750, 1850,1905, 1950, 2050, 2205 Paddington-Bristol all cancelled.
Any idea what GWR are going to do in order to get their customers home to Bristol? (And beyond?)
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 15:59, 3rd November 2024 |
I feel sorry for anyone trying to travel between Paddington - Bristol/Cardiff/Swansea today. It seems absolutely chaotic.
This is indeed fun ... writing at 16:00 looking at Bath Spa. The next Paddington train at 16:43 is cancelled and for London the offering is:
17:40 London Paddington
Calling at: Reading (18:49), London Paddington (19:26) (GWR)
Last report: Between Port Talbot P'way and Bridgend (15:41)
Note: This train has 9 coaches This train is full and standing
Calling at: Reading (18:49), London Paddington (19:26) (GWR)
Last report: Between Port Talbot P'way and Bridgend (15:41)
Note: This train has 9 coaches This train is full and standing
It's ...
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington today at 19:26 (would be 9 trains for an hourly service)
on a weekday it would be
15:23 from Swansea, due Paddington at 18:14 (7 trains for an hourly service)
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:18, 3rd November 2024 |
Thanks - love the map and also, your post a useful refresher on how much you've built in to that.
Now feeling sorry for the poor 12:38 from Swansea to Paddington - it managed to have both ends of its run cancelled, it ran only between Cardiff and Bristol.
Mark
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C63122/2024-11-03/detailed
Now feeling sorry for the poor 12:38 from Swansea to Paddington - it managed to have both ends of its run cancelled, it ran only between Cardiff and Bristol.
Mark
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C63122/2024-11-03/detailed
I feel sorry for anyone trying to travel between Paddington - Bristol/Cardiff/Swansea today. It seems absolutely chaotic.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Mark A at 14:33, 3rd November 2024 |
Thanks - love the map and also, your post a useful refresher on how much you've built in to that.
Now feeling sorry for the poor 12:38 from Swansea to Paddington - it managed to have both ends of its run cancelled, it ran only between Cardiff and Bristol.
Mark
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C63122/2024-11-03/detailed
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 13:59, 3rd November 2024 |
It feels as though the Coffeeshop disruption map's data sources are a bit overwhelmed and the actual situation is worse on the ground. Several of the hourly services from Bristol have been running 60 - 90 minutes late. GWR advising at short notice earlier that there will be no Paddington to Bristol service after 18:00 but perhaps something will be found. This must make for a long day for everyone, staff who are working it included.
Mark
Mark
You are correct - but then the intent has been to provide a Quick Look. It doesn't handle line updates, and once a whole area is Red / Blue / Grey there's not much scope to add anyway.
Links such as http://www.firstgreatwestern.info//better/map.html?stn=CDQ will take you to the page for the station with the three letter code described, and links onwards from these will take you to many different trackers. There'e also a map (below) if you go to that page and scroll down so you can click elsewhere to navigate around.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:34, 3rd November 2024 |
It feels as though the Coffeeshop disruption map's data sources are a bit overwhelmed and the actual situation is worse on the ground. Several of the hourly services from Bristol have been running 60 - 90 minutes late. GWR advising at short notice earlier that there will be no Paddington to Bristol service after 18:00 but perhaps something will be found. This must make for a long day for everyone, staff who are working it included.
Mark
Mark
According to National Rail the last direct London-Bristol service will be the 1705.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Mark A at 13:14, 3rd November 2024 |
It feels as though the Coffeeshop disruption map's data sources are a bit overwhelmed and the actual situation is worse on the ground. Several of the hourly services from Bristol have been running 60 - 90 minutes late. GWR advising at short notice earlier that there will be no Paddington to Bristol service after 18:00 but perhaps something will be found. This must make for a long day for everyone, staff who are working it included.
Mark
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:47, 3rd November 2024 |
............and on top of staff shortages, "short notice changes to the timetable" etc we now have this......
Cancellations to services between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central
Due to engineering works not being finished on time at Severn Tunnel Jn the line is closed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 03/11.
Train services between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central may be cancelled or delayed.
Customer Advice
We are currently experiencing disruption between Cardiff Central and Bristol Temple Meads due to engineering works not being finished on time, as a result services will be disrupted between Cardiff Central and Bristol Temple Meads.
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Network Rail technicians are on site and estimate the service will be moving again at approximately 11:00.
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We re working with our providers to source Road Transport. Please check back shortly.
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We are sorry for the delay to your journey.
Cancellations to services between Swansea and London Paddington via Cardiff Central
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Swansea and Port Talbot Parkway all lines are closed. Disruption is expected until 10:45 03/11.
Train services between Swansea and London Paddington via Cardiff Central and Bristol Parkway may be cancelled or delayed.
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Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 07:30, 3rd November 2024 |
Update from GWR:
Cancellations to services between London Paddington - Bristol and Swansea
Due to a short-notice change to the timetable between London Paddington - Bristol and Swansea fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Bristol Parkway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
As a result of this issue, fewer trains will be available for passenger service throughout the day. Services will also not be able to stop at Bristol Parkway. The intention had been to operate an hourly Paddington - Reading - Bath Spa - Bristol Temple Meads - Newport - Cardiff Central - Swansea service but further limitations have arisen affecting staff resources which has resulted in periods throughout the day where there will be consecutive cancellations on what was intended to be an hourly service.
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Those services that do run are expected to be extremely busy. Customers are advised to only travel if absolutely necessary on this route and, please note that, connections cannot be guaranteed.
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This issue is the result of some essential short-notice track repairs which will not only block access to the Stoke Gifford Train Depot in the Bristol area but will also prevent any train services from calling at Bristol Parkway station.
This is in addition to previously planned engineering work between Reading and Didcot. The combination of all these factors significantly limits our ability to run services between London Paddington, Bristol Temple Meads and South Wales
Because of the late notice of some of these works, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show every change correctly before Sunday morning so please recheck any itinerary obtained prior to this morning.
We are sorry for the inconvenience caused by this disruption. Customers with tickets for Sunday 3 November on the affected routes will be able to use them to travel on Monday 4 November. If you prefer, you can claim a full refund.
Due to a short-notice change to the timetable between London Paddington - Bristol and Swansea fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Bristol Parkway will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
As a result of this issue, fewer trains will be available for passenger service throughout the day. Services will also not be able to stop at Bristol Parkway. The intention had been to operate an hourly Paddington - Reading - Bath Spa - Bristol Temple Meads - Newport - Cardiff Central - Swansea service but further limitations have arisen affecting staff resources which has resulted in periods throughout the day where there will be consecutive cancellations on what was intended to be an hourly service.
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Those services that do run are expected to be extremely busy. Customers are advised to only travel if absolutely necessary on this route and, please note that, connections cannot be guaranteed.
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This issue is the result of some essential short-notice track repairs which will not only block access to the Stoke Gifford Train Depot in the Bristol area but will also prevent any train services from calling at Bristol Parkway station.
This is in addition to previously planned engineering work between Reading and Didcot. The combination of all these factors significantly limits our ability to run services between London Paddington, Bristol Temple Meads and South Wales
Because of the late notice of some of these works, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show every change correctly before Sunday morning so please recheck any itinerary obtained prior to this morning.
We are sorry for the inconvenience caused by this disruption. Customers with tickets for Sunday 3 November on the affected routes will be able to use them to travel on Monday 4 November. If you prefer, you can claim a full refund.
I realise this isn’t just about train crew and is also about resources. Today’s service can be best described as an absolute mess and don’t think that ‘a normal service’ is running to/from the Southwest either. There are cancellations on this route too, some of which aren’t showing on Journeycheck but are listed as cancelled on RTT.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by bobm at 15:17, 2nd November 2024 |
From GWR.com
Track renewal work will affect train services between Reading and Didcot Parkway.
Trains between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads will use an alternative route – not stopping at Didcot Parkway, Swindon or Chippenham.
Trains between London and South Wales will also be diverted – not stopping at Didcot Parkway or Swindon but will stop at Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads.
Trains will still run between London Paddington and Reading, plus between Didcot Parkway and Cheltenham Spa, Oxford, Worcester, Great Malvern or Hereford.
Train services will also run between Swindon and Bristol Temple Meads via Chippenham and Bath Spa.
Replacement buses are planned between:
Reading and Swindon (non-stop)
Reading and Didcot Parkway (non-stop and stopping)
CrossCountry trains will operate between Bournemouth and Reading, plus between Didcot Parkway and Manchester Piccadilly with replacement buses between:
Reading and Didcot Parkway (non-stop)
Winchester and Didcot Parkway (non-stop)
Trains between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads will use an alternative route – not stopping at Didcot Parkway, Swindon or Chippenham.
Trains between London and South Wales will also be diverted – not stopping at Didcot Parkway or Swindon but will stop at Bath Spa and Bristol Temple Meads.
Trains will still run between London Paddington and Reading, plus between Didcot Parkway and Cheltenham Spa, Oxford, Worcester, Great Malvern or Hereford.
Train services will also run between Swindon and Bristol Temple Meads via Chippenham and Bath Spa.
Replacement buses are planned between:
Reading and Swindon (non-stop)
Reading and Didcot Parkway (non-stop and stopping)
CrossCountry trains will operate between Bournemouth and Reading, plus between Didcot Parkway and Manchester Piccadilly with replacement buses between:
Reading and Didcot Parkway (non-stop)
Winchester and Didcot Parkway (non-stop)
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Ollie at 15:01, 2nd November 2024 |
Hi Mark, yes, Bristol/Bath going via B&H to Reading.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Mark A at 14:51, 2nd November 2024 |
This sounds as though Bristol/Bath have trains to Reading, running via the Berks and Hants, yes? (Asking for someone* who is leaving the country**)
Mark
*Not me.
**Temporarily.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Ollie at 23:51, 1st November 2024 |
Seems as though no trains stop at Didcot this Sunday....
Didcot becomes a terminus on Sunday. A quick check shows it will have GWR train services for North and South Cotswolds and XC train services to Manchester.
Buses will be running to Reading (XC and GWR) and Winchester (XC)
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Trowres at 23:07, 1st November 2024 |
No trains running from Salisbury (in any direction) on Sunday 3rd. Waterloo services starting/terminating at Andover.
A considerable chunk of Circle/District lines closed this weekend, so not the best time to be relying on public transport.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 21:11, 1st November 2024 |
Seems as though no trains stop at Didcot this Sunday....
From the BBC
Rail operators warn of weekend travel disruption
Two train operators are warning commuters of disruption due to engineering work over the weekend.
Great Western Railway (GWR) has advised services between London Paddington, Bristol and South Wales will not stop at Didcot Parkway on Sunday.
As a result Chiltern Railways said its services between London Marylebone and Oxford "are likely to be busier than usual".
The operator said operational challenges also meant customers should check before they travel from Friday until Sunday.
GWR has urged customers "to only travel if absolutely necessary" between London Paddington, Bristol and South Wales on Sunday.
There will be fewer services, which will stop at Reading, but a diversion will be in place adding about 30 minutes to journeys. Anyone still wanting to travel "must make a reservation".
It also said that due to the late notice of some of the engineering work, journey planners would not be fully correct until they are updated overnight on Saturday.
A full list of the routes affected by the works can be found here, external.
GWR said there would be reduced services to and from London Paddington throughout November and early December and apologised for the disruption.
Network Rail’s Western route director Marcus Jones said their work to improve the performance of the Thames Valley line was "well under way".
He said they were upgrading drainage systems and the track which was "essential" to the goal of reducing disruption and improving the resilience of the line.
Chiltern Railways said HS2 viaduct works near Wendover, Buckinghamshire taking place over the weekend may also affect services.
The company's commercial and customer strategy director Michael Stewart said he "strongly" encouraged customers to check their journeys on the day of travel, as journey planners might not be updated until late in the evening on the previous day.
Two train operators are warning commuters of disruption due to engineering work over the weekend.
Great Western Railway (GWR) has advised services between London Paddington, Bristol and South Wales will not stop at Didcot Parkway on Sunday.
As a result Chiltern Railways said its services between London Marylebone and Oxford "are likely to be busier than usual".
The operator said operational challenges also meant customers should check before they travel from Friday until Sunday.
GWR has urged customers "to only travel if absolutely necessary" between London Paddington, Bristol and South Wales on Sunday.
There will be fewer services, which will stop at Reading, but a diversion will be in place adding about 30 minutes to journeys. Anyone still wanting to travel "must make a reservation".
It also said that due to the late notice of some of the engineering work, journey planners would not be fully correct until they are updated overnight on Saturday.
A full list of the routes affected by the works can be found here, external.
GWR said there would be reduced services to and from London Paddington throughout November and early December and apologised for the disruption.
Network Rail’s Western route director Marcus Jones said their work to improve the performance of the Thames Valley line was "well under way".
He said they were upgrading drainage systems and the track which was "essential" to the goal of reducing disruption and improving the resilience of the line.
Chiltern Railways said HS2 viaduct works near Wendover, Buckinghamshire taking place over the weekend may also affect services.
The company's commercial and customer strategy director Michael Stewart said he "strongly" encouraged customers to check their journeys on the day of travel, as journey planners might not be updated until late in the evening on the previous day.
Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:36, 1st November 2024 |
Reading predictions on other forums that this coming Sunday is expected to be the worst yet for crew shortage cancellations/general chaos.
From https://www.gwr.com/disruption-3-nov
Essential short-notice track repairs will block access to the Stoke Gifford Train Depot in the Bristol area on Sunday 3 November.
Although we will be able to move some trains to alternative locations in advance, fewer trains will be available for passenger service throughout the day. Services will also not be able to stop at Bristol Parkway.
This is in addition to pre-planned engineering work between Reading and Didcot which will already significantly limit our ability to run services between London Paddington, Bristol Temple Meads and South Wales.
Services that do run are expected to be extremely busy. Customers are advised to only travel if absolutely necessary on these routes.
Because of the late notice of some of these works, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show every change correctly before Sunday morning.
We’re sorry for the inconvenience caused by this disruption. Customers with tickets for Sunday 3 November on the affected routes will be able to use them to travel on Saturday 2 or Monday 4 November. If you prefer, you can claim a full refund.
Services between Devon/Cornwall and London Paddington are expected to operate as normal.
For the latest information and to check your journey visit GWR.com/check.
Although we will be able to move some trains to alternative locations in advance, fewer trains will be available for passenger service throughout the day. Services will also not be able to stop at Bristol Parkway.
This is in addition to pre-planned engineering work between Reading and Didcot which will already significantly limit our ability to run services between London Paddington, Bristol Temple Meads and South Wales.
Services that do run are expected to be extremely busy. Customers are advised to only travel if absolutely necessary on these routes.
Because of the late notice of some of these works, and the complexity of updating timetable systems, journey planners will not show every change correctly before Sunday morning.
We’re sorry for the inconvenience caused by this disruption. Customers with tickets for Sunday 3 November on the affected routes will be able to use them to travel on Saturday 2 or Monday 4 November. If you prefer, you can claim a full refund.
Services between Devon/Cornwall and London Paddington are expected to operate as normal.
For the latest information and to check your journey visit GWR.com/check.