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Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377403/32275/1]
Posted by grahame at 13:43, 25th July 2026
 
Re pictures 5 & 6. Why can't we treat rail passengers as adults in this country and let them cross the track?

Do they have higher railway accident rates in Europe?

Good question - pictures 5 and 6 are both metre gauge / within station limits as it happens, but here - from my library - and some standard gauge examples. 7 pictures, 5 different countries.














Re: Copyright, Images, Advertising, Bandwidth, Server Space - revisit / update 2026
In "News, Help and Assistance" [377401/32279/29]
Posted by grahame at 13:17, 25th July 2026
 
Although I have pinned this thread so it can easily be found, I've not locked it so that comments, questions, discussions are not only welcome but encouraged.

Copyright, Images, Advertising, Bandwidth, Server Space - revisit / update 2026
In "News, Help and Assistance" [377400/32279/29]
Posted by grahame at 13:13, 25th July 2026
 

The subjects of copyright, images (and videos), publishing, advertising, bandwidth and server space have raised their heads again.   So perhaps time for an update / reminder on some of the complexities.   In general, Webmaster, Admins and moderators are aware of these issues and where not, we can chat about them and learn detail.  Also in general, members tend to get it right 99.99% of the time - at least to the morals of the law / guidelines, and the 0.01% of "oopsies" - one or two posts a month - tend to be accidental over-site a quick "hey" soon sorts it out.  I love what we have created here, however we need to be aware of the issues around.

Copyright

Everything has a copyright status. You might forget that when you see so much sharing on social media - buttons to encourage it, but the copyright laws remain, and they are complex and vary country by country which for a public readable web resource can be a bit of a nightmare.  There is a general acceptance that some form of copyright is fair and reasonable in protecting the originator of [whatever] who has invested time, skill, emotions and perhaps money into their work, and should have an environment in which they can gain reward for that.  There is a general ability (acceptance) to quote short elements in "critical review", and for copyright holders to declare something "public domain" which in most cases comes automatically at some time in the distant future.  I could go into the special case of Peter Pan and Great Ormond Street Hospital - the works can be shared as they are now public domain, but in the UK royalties are required to be paid to the hospital on performance of the play.  A case that's not transport related, so let's not go off on that tangent except to note it as an example of the complexity of copyright, licensing, royalties, etc!

Images and videos have a copyright status too, and if they are embedded within an article or piece of text, that can be different to to the article.  You'll see this in many social media articles where there's a separate copyright / source detailed on pictures. It means that the image is there because the publishers of the article have licensed the picture or obtained permission to use it, but it likely does not mean they have bought a license which allow it to be shared wider.

As part of your Coffee Shop sign up agreement - copy at https://www.passenger.chat/r1761.html - you have agreed to respect copyright and to indemnify the forum owners in the event of a formal complaint or legal action taken based on the content of your messages - and that (of course) includes quoted material and images.  Images and live video are an especial concern - de facto, they give rise to far more complaints, issues and concerns.  With these concerns, we want to help members, and any posts you make that link to images not hosted on our server will are displayed only to logged in members unless you explicit state their copyright status.  You can state that through the tags described at
https://www.passenger.chat/r31486.html.  If you don't include any of these copyright tags in your post, the image will not be published - not seen in public - only seen by members. This is done to help protect you as best we can from accidentally making public an image which is not yours to legally share and which could get you into trouble.

Our approach on this member's protection is not unique - other fora do a similar thing.  Which means that if you post images on one of those other forums, you'll see them, and indeed if you share links to them here you may see them here too, but other readers who are members of the Coffee Shop but are not members of that other forum will not see them. Erring on the side of caution, if you like.

This caution and member's protection does have one side effect that you may not realise. It means that if you are a member of other sites that host images (including other fora) and you post the images or links to them on that other site on the Coffee Shop, they will appear AOK in your own viewing of your post here, but others may not.  And Coffee Shop members who look to visit/see the images via the other site  are likely to be guests there, and encouraged to sign up to view the content you have directed them towards.

At the Coffee Shop, we are pretty free in what we allow you to post.  However, your agreement does preclude you, in words you have agreed to, from advertising. Often, the general interest overrides this but the case of a post which takes members to another forum with strong overlaps with ours, and solicits them to sign up with a rival, has caused serious concern with moderators and admins. It's advertising the competitor, and indeed offering an encouragement to sign up there, to our loyal members here. Cheeky!!  The view, though, is that this was not an intentional attempt or encouragement to poach members - most of whom are so exceptionally loyal, and having explained this and how it's come about we're moving on / and putting it down to experience.

Members do - and I'm sure will continue - to "advertise" external sites, many of which these days are behind paywalls. Can I please ask members, though, to display a degree of consideration for the Coffee Shop team's sensitivities and our wider membership when directing people to sites with overlapping content which require them to engage via some sort of registration in order to see that content.  Far better - provided there is appropriate copyright clearance - to share the content / images in a location that does not require registration with a "rival".

Images

The Coffee Shop is not a (general) image hosting site - for static ("pictures") images or for moving ("video") images. We do not have the software, bandwidth, or the admin / moderator team for it to be practical. If we tried all we would be doing is spinning our wheels when many other sites and mechanisms from which you can embed are available - no need nor desire nor business case to compete with them.  That said, we are aware that there are fewer image hosting sites than there use to be, and that some / many of them add watermarks to pictures.

Looking back, it's a surprising long time since we updated our "how to" on images - so here's a bump / reminder of the page - at https://www.passenger.chat/r21265.html and that includes links back to even older posts talking about various services.

In summary, you can "hotlink" images from your own domain / sites. You can hotlink from a public service and are welcome to do so provide that they are going to be visible here without that other site requiring readers to become a member there so see them.  And you can add images and certain other formats to your posts as attachments, which are then viewable by members here.

Server space and bandwidth

Our history database - all 350,000 messages and their attachments - take up around 105 Mbytes of server database space. That's a small amount of space - the images which I host here on another domain for my own use are over 7 G bytes. The archive document mirror takes up over 8 G bytes,  On our receptionist server, the Coffee Shop takes a further 10 G bytes of storage, more than a half of that being for cached information from the worker server - maps, timetables, passenger flow and individual station pages, and commonly served images which don't change.

Please multiply each of those figures by 2 at least to account for "Father" and "Grandfather" backups taken regularly and automatically. Some more dynamic elements are backed up frequently and we keep selected older generations for a while too so that if something goes wrong and we don't spot it for a while, we can still recover back beyond the point of failure.  There are also multiple levels of backup of the server software itself, and growing logfiles which I truncate from time to time. And there's much more on both servers than just the Coffee Shop.

There is plenty of space on the servers for you to keep posting to your heart's content. There are various maxima / limits but these are rarely hit in regular use.

There is also plenty of bandwidth for your normal use. These days, specialist servers which advertise their presence in any way attract a vast number of requests from all sorts of automata and at times from malicious hacking attempts, and we are no exception.  We do have directive files to tell well mannered automata where they may go, and there is also a layer of checking where we turn away incoming requests that have certain characteristics.  A third set of dynamic checks keeps an eye out for "splurged" requests, and our server turns off these splurges when it sees them for a while to give itself a chance to recover.

With so many public messages in our databases, and with the content viewable in a multitude of ways, guest automata requests are huge in number - 210,000 requests yesterday to our receptionist, of which 62,000 were passed on to the worker server and an unknown number ( at a guess between a further 20,000 and 40,000 ) contacted the worker's databases without troubling the main worker code.  These numbers are down - a factor or 3 to 5 times compared to when certain automata are crawling,  and the 62,000 is way down from figures closer to a million when we see an intended (or unintended) denial of service attack.

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [377399/26929/52]
Posted by GBM at 11:51, 25th July 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider
 
Eurostar launching direct Antwerp trains

https://www.headforpoints.com/2026/07/24/eurostar-to-launch-antwerp-payments/

Eurostar to launch direct services to Antwerp
Eurostar has, very quietly, opened up new direct international services from London to Antwerp.

Antwerp is already accessible via Eurostar’s domestic European services but requires a change in Brussels if travelling from London.

{Continues}...............

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377398/32275/1]
Posted by bobm at 11:44, 25th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Oh, and, come to think of it, Carmarthen at the start of this year, though perhaps that doesn't quite count as a barrow crossing.

Or just along the line at Tenby.


Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377397/32275/1]
Posted by grahame at 11:21, 25th July 2026
 
Pasewalk. Not the most obvious place to be catching an international train - but I'm sure there was a reason for choosing a station that is so ... unimproved. Perhaps just that?

No - was simply the best journey with our timings from Wernigerode to Kolobrzeg.  I have used this line before from Germany to Poland; works well and in the thinness of cross border trains in so many places, this is one of the more frequent and useful ones.

And to get there from Wernigerode/Vienenburg you'd almost have to go via Berlin, explaining why 7 is Berlin HBF. As well as the fact that little else is just so ... big! (Vertically, most strikingly.)

Indeed, and astonishing we came in at the very bottom and should have carried on 20 minutes later from exactly the same platform.  As it turned out, there was a platform change - and we had to walk across to the other side of the platform!

Re: West Somerset Railway - Bishops Lydeard, near Taunton, to Minehead
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [377396/2688/47]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:24, 25th July 2026
 
So the answers to my first two original questions are 'Yes' & 'No', since the footbridge could be modified and the signalling cabinets and associated cable runs could be moved out of the way.

In the grand scheme of how the government spends (wastes) our money the cost would be low and significantly less than, say, civil service pensions or paying the salaries of those 'working' in the quangocracy, etc., etc. And it would provide a pretty decent level of societal benefit to an area which seems to be largely ignored by Westminster.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377395/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 07:00, 25th July 2026
 
From what I saw the goods shed was not damaged, maybe smoke damage, and the doors look undamaged. In the shed is the booking hall, ticket office, empty cafe, and the signalling and level crossing panel.
The seat of the fire was the footbridge and newsagents kiosk that has been closed for years. The fire also damage the canopy roof.

I'll go down again today as I have been updating other things. The demolition opposite, Paignton Picture House new lift shaft and staircase (extremely slow job) and new temporary car park in Victoria Square and the new sea defences. A lot going on in Paignton. The council have been given money to demolish things but need a developer to build things.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377393/32262/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:19, 24th July 2026
 
Many thanks for your adding all of that content here on the Coffee Shop forum, REVUpminster.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377392/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 22:06, 24th July 2026
 
https://youtu.be/LMEVYdqjwjI

https://youtu.be/LMEVYdqjwjI


Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377391/32277/51]
Posted by JayMac at 22:03, 24th July 2026
 
And yet, those who irrationally hate on Halal slaughter (88% pre-stunned in the UK)  are nearly always silent on Kosher slaughter for which pre-stunning isn't permitted at all.

Is is unimaginative and predictable to point that out?

Sod it. Its not irrational. It's nearly always islamophobia and/or racism.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377390/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 21:50, 24th July 2026
 
Painton Station fire 23 July 2026 7 train in station by Robert, on Flickr

Train in platform empty Torquay-Paignton-Torquay

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377389/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 21:48, 24th July 2026

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377388/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 21:42, 24th July 2026
 
Paignton station. fire at footbridge 21 July 2026 by Robert, on Flickr

Fire at Paignton Station footbridge 21 July 2026 by Robert, on Flickr

I've put them on flkr. The image box here doesn't work for me so haven't used it.
These two are not mine.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377387/32262/24]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:17, 24th July 2026
 
Maybe Chris B can transfer them to here.

welllll.....in might be easy



I can see the photo above - can we all?

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377386/32277/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:39, 24th July 2026
 
They're vermin frankly, and I am don't have a problem - although plenty do in the comments to that article.

So I ask the question - why do many see shooting them as an inhumane way of killing when no one has any problem with Halal killing of any animal??

I think you'll find a lot of people object to the non stun slaughtering of animals, however they're equally wary of being accused of racism, "Islamophobia" etc which tends to be the unimaginative, yet predictable default response to the airing of such objections with the aim of shutting down the debate.

Re: WOMAD comes to Wiltshire - nearest station, Melksham, July 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377385/31642/18]
Posted by John D at 20:30, 24th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Just seen what looks like new posters at Bradford on Avon station, near entrances, and there is a section on max luggage etc

It includes banned items and has silhouette (near bottom right) of one of those pull along hand trolleys that Festival goes often use

Wonder if WOMAD triggered the update, does Melksham or Chippenham have similar posters.  Possibly been there years but never noticed it before

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377384/32275/1]
Posted by stuving at 20:13, 24th July 2026
 
No. 8 isn't even in Poland - though we were waiting for an international train to Poland at that station. 

Pasewalk. Not the most obvious place to be catching an international train - but I'm sure there was a reason for choosing a station that is so ... unimproved. Perhaps just that?

And to get there from Wernigerode/Vienenburg you'd almost have to go via Berlin, explaining why 7 is Berlin HBF. As well as the fact that little else is just so ... big! (Vertically, most strikingly.)


How do steam railways tackle lineside fire risks?
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [377383/32278/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:23, 24th July 2026
 
From the BBC:

How do steam railways tackle lineside fire risks?


The Watercress Line is operating its Canadian Pacific loco to reduce the risk of fires - Image © Peter Trimming

Prolonged dry weather has led to a temporary ban on steam trains on the national rail network but the rules do not apply to independent heritage lines.

Swanage Railway in Dorset and the Watercress Line in Hampshire are among the attractions still running steam locomotives when it is deemed safe to do so.

So how do operators decide when it is safe, and how do they mitigate the risk?

Safety measures include devices that prevent embers from escaping, choosing bigger locomotives to pull the trains, and assessing the strength and direction of the wind.

Watercress Line chief executive Rebecca Dalley said: "We do have to be very careful but there are lots of things we can do.  There is a wonderful device called a spark arrester.  They've got very fine mesh so almost nothing can escape, so you are only getting smoke coming out of the top and a bit of steam."

Dalley said screens were also fitted to the dampers that let the air in beneath the fire so there is "no means of escape".

"We check the condition of our ash pans that collect the embers from the firebox and we fit water sprays to dampen everything down," she said.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377382/32262/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 19:14, 24th July 2026
 
I find it very difficult to upload here. There's no dopbox. I have in the past but first had to put on youtube if a video or flkr if an image.
Maybe Chris B can transfer them to here.

Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377381/32262/24]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:49, 24th July 2026
 
I can see them....and I'm not logged in for years!

Re: Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377380/32277/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:46, 24th July 2026
Already liked by Bob_Blakey
 
They're vermin frankly, and I am don't have a problem - although plenty do in the comments to that article.

So I ask the question - why do many see shooting them as an inhumane way of killing when no one has any problem with Halal killing of any animal??

Pigeons at railway stations causing problems
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377378/32277/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:59, 24th July 2026
 
From the BBC:

2,000 pigeons shot with rifles at railway stations

More than 2,000 pigeons have been shot at railway stations and depots across the UK in 16 months, the BBC has found.

Professionals with air rifles shoot the pigeons at night in an effort to prevent droppings becoming slip hazards or causing illness, but critics say the method is inhumane.

Of the stations managed by state-owned companies, York Station recorded 608 birds shot between January 2025 and April of this year - 152 of them on a single day.

The data was sourced under the Freedom of Information Act which does not apply to private companies, so it is possible other stations have culled more and the total is higher than the current figure of 2,019.

LNER was the most prolific train operator with more than 800 birds shot at its stations in the year and four months to March 2026 - three-quarters of those at York Station. "We do implement a number of deterrents and any other measures are as a last resort only," the operator said. "The safety of our customers and colleagues is our number one priority."

It said its higher totals on individual days – 152 on 26 January last year, and 97 on 21 February this year – were a result of large gaps between cullings.

Network Rail had 600 pigeons killed across Bristol Temple Meads, London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley stations.

South Western Railway ordered the shooting of 250, Transport for London had 147, and Northern had 143.

Scotrail and c2c did not kill pigeons at any of their stations.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge?
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377377/32262/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:34, 24th July 2026
 
I've uploaded some photos from today here because it's easier.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/paignton-station-footbridge-on-fire-21-07-26.304899/page-4

It has been noted by us on the admin team here that those images are only viewable to registered members of 'railforums'.  Any guest reader there just gets a blank.

Many, many, years ago, I registered there as a member: I have no recollection even of the username I used, never mind the password.

If you could possibly post those photos where they can be viewed here on the Coffee Shop forum, REVUpminster, that would be much appreciated.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: Interrail trip 4 - the journey continues
In "Introductions and chat" [377376/32275/1]
Posted by Mark A at 16:20, 24th July 2026
 
Re pictures 5 & 6. Why can't we treat rail passengers as adults in this country and let them cross the track?

Do they have higher railway accident rates in Europe?

Made me reflect on the last time, away from preserved lines, I used a barrow crossing. Exeter St Davids, some time ago, encumbered by a bike with camping gear. Was that crossing provided with white lights that were lit when it was clear to cross or is that my imagination?

Oh, and, come to think of it, Carmarthen at the start of this year, though perhaps that doesn't quite count as a barrow crossing.

Mark

 
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