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| Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369638/31262/3] Posted by Hafren at 23:33, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
The 'fixed' information seems too much sometimes; meanwhile, the 'in the moment' information is severely lacking at times.
Re the 'fixed' information, it does seem that Joe Public needs a little hand-holding from time to time. I'm surprised there aren't stickers explaining how to open train doors, given the number of times I've seen people struggle. I note that when the 'who opens the doors' debates and union disputes pop up, the 'bottom half of the internet' comments produce assumptions that the passenger can do it; I think some genuinely think the doors aren't consciously released at stops.
Hence sometimes, the train comes to a stop and the person presses the button. Nothing happens, of course (although apparently the new Merseyrail trains can remember the press). Then the doors are released – the light comes on and some sounds blare out these days. Despite this (statistically these people aren't all going to be hard of hearing!) the person doesn't press the button again after release. I sometimes wonder if they think they set an alarm off by pressing the button! And this seems to play out frequently – at least in my anecdotal experience! Even worse, I've seen situations (only once or twice, this time) on 197s where it appears that people are don't make it off the train before it leaves, having not located the button – on 197s the vestibule is quite wide, and the button is set back, and on one side only, and thus I think the button isn't in people's line of sight.
Perhaps this is where some instructional stickers are needed!
| Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion In "London to the Cotswolds" [369637/16141/14] Posted by TonyN at 22:36, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
And now the not so good news.
Parking charges going up Again.
Anger over Worcestershire Parkway parking charge increase
https://www.cotswoldjournal.co.uk/news/25698794.anger-worcestershire-parkway-parking-charge-increase/
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369636/31264/30] Posted by Oxonhutch at 22:27, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
I have to say that for 8 I was in the right region but couldn't identify the exact service despite the TTs I downloaded. Well done Hafren!
| Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369635/31262/3] Posted by Trowres at 22:18, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
The Scandinavians have a reputation for quality design. Quite something, then, for the British Rail Design Manual to be translated into Danish: https://designreviewed.com/artefacts/british-rail-design-danish-design-council-1986/
That photo of Melksham is shocking.
| Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [369634/28982/26] Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:17, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.
Oh early - that's good

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February. A window of opportunity.
Yes, good timing really as Cornwall/Devon go quieter than most routes over winter when compared with the summer rush. A little bit of breathing space.
Hopefully there will be enough 175 units in service by next May to provide adequate summer capacity, including the release one for the extra Par<>Newquay services, and get some IETs released back to bolster the length of longer distance trips and new services such as Oxford<>Bristol.
It will be a bit of a 'sticking plaster' for 5+ years until new units as part of Operation Churchward come on stream, but way better than nothing.
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369633/31264/30] Posted by grahame at 20:38, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
The easy ones are taken, and the rest nearly had me stumped but the 40-minute branch interval caught my eye.
8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch
Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.
8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch
Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.
You are spot on ... how to run a better-than-hourly service on a line. I can recall (showing my age) that one of the hourly trains used to run Thursday excepted because of the weekly freight train.
I am - happy - that I've had you stumped and (I hope) enjoying the challenge.
| Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [369632/28982/26] Posted by grahame at 20:32, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.
Oh early - that's good

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February. A window of opportunity.
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369631/31264/30] Posted by Hafren at 20:31, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
The easy ones are taken, and the rest nearly had me stumped but the 40-minute branch interval caught my eye.
8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch
Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.
| Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [369630/28982/26] Posted by bobm at 19:30, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
From GWR.com
https://news.gwr.com/news/first-of-great-western-railways-recommissioned-class-175-trains-enters-passenger-service
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.
Yesterday’s 1340 Plymouth-Penzance service was operated by 175001. It then operated the 1552 return service.
GWR leased 26 Class 175 trains earlier this year as part of plans to rejuvenate its regional and suburban services.
The full fleet will be introduced throughout 2026, operating predominantly between Exeter St Davids and Penzance, as well as to Barnstaple and Okehampton.
In the early stages of the rollout, services operated by the 175s will vary to support wider training and maintenance needs.
It follows the retirement of GWR’s four remaining Castle Class sets on Saturday. The Class 43 locomotives and Mark 3 coaches, which operated on the Great Western network for almost 50 years, are due to be returned to their leasing companies in the new year.
Yesterday’s 1340 Plymouth-Penzance service was operated by 175001. It then operated the 1552 return service.
GWR leased 26 Class 175 trains earlier this year as part of plans to rejuvenate its regional and suburban services.
The full fleet will be introduced throughout 2026, operating predominantly between Exeter St Davids and Penzance, as well as to Barnstaple and Okehampton.
In the early stages of the rollout, services operated by the 175s will vary to support wider training and maintenance needs.
It follows the retirement of GWR’s four remaining Castle Class sets on Saturday. The Class 43 locomotives and Mark 3 coaches, which operated on the Great Western network for almost 50 years, are due to be returned to their leasing companies in the new year.
| Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion In "London to the Cotswolds" [369629/16141/14] Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:09, 16th December 2025 Already liked by TonyN | ![]() |
The recently released station usage figures, which were excellent as quoted elsewhere, will hopefully give a boost to those campaigning for more XC trains to call.
There's currently 31 a day almost all on the Cardiff<>Nottingham axis. That looks set to almost double to 56 trains a day with the Cardiff<>Nottingham's supplemented by a mostly hourly call on the longer distance XC services.I will nit pick slightly in that the morning commuter service remains little changed, just one extra train from Plymouth to Edinburgh that gets into New Street just before 9am, and nothing heading south for Cheltenham/Gloucester other than the current 07:58 as the first Bristol southbound service doesn't get there until gone 10am.
Further targeted improvements see a small number of additional calls from this weeks timetable change, but really improving the early morning service south as there is now a 07:12 to Paignton and 08:12 to Bristol Temple Meads offering two more commuting services to Cheltenham and Bristol - the first one to Bristol was at 09:16 until this week.
There's also an additional last service south. Last week it was 20:58 to Cardiff (20:30 off Birmingham New Street), but now there's an additional 21:59 to Gloucester calling at Ashcurch and Cheltenham (21:30 off of Birmingham New Street, which originates at Leicester).
Good stuff!
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025 In "TransWilts line" [369626/29726/18] Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:00, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
Facilities on the 20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.
| Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 In "Across the West" [369625/29650/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:56, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
Alterations to services between Slough and Reading
Due to a points failure between Slough and Reading some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 16/12.
| Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification. In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369624/31246/21] Posted by eightonedee at 17:18, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
It has, helped by Network Rail bunging £3m into the "Mend the Gap" fund to be spent on all kinds of worthy countryside, and wildlife projects that would not otherwise be eligible for Government (local or national) between Reading and Didcot along the line of the railway.
I don't think though that you will find many who will say they now accept the "intrusion " of the OHL as part of the local landscape. Pragmatically though (and perhaps a little cynically) I would suggest that NR just apply a little aesthetic sensibility to whatever they put up through Bath, go through a (token?) consultation process which lays it on thickly how much it will benefit the local environment and economy and just do it.
BTW - was there such a furore when the East Coast main line was electrified through Durham, with that magnificent view of the cathedral in the background?
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369622/31264/30] Posted by grahame at 16:31, 16th December 2025 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
5: Between Yeovil Junction and Pen Mill Monday to Friday.
I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!
I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!
Yes, it is ... but I would STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST walking between these two stations
| Re: Also available on the Coffee Shop secure (https) server In "News, Help and Assistance" [369621/29701/29] Posted by grahame at 16:26, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
Note that (some or all?) of the NR versions are valid to 12 December 2025! Table 133 for example. NR needs to catch up!
At the current time, you need to scroll way down to find the December to May (current) timetables.
| Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification. In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369620/31246/21] Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:22, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
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It would have been a very serious act of vandalism to use the standard massive wiring gantries on a prominent route through a World Heritage City.
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It would have been a very serious act of vandalism to use the standard massive wiring gantries on a prominent route through a World Heritage City.
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Could our correspondent from Goring inform us please if the indignation from the good burghers of the Gap has died down over the wiring of their section of the GWML.
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369619/31264/30] Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:10, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
5: Between Yeovil Junction and Pen Mill Monday to Friday.
I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!
| Re: Also available on the Coffee Shop secure (https) server In "News, Help and Assistance" [369618/29701/29] Posted by WSW Frome at 15:27, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
Note that (some or all?) of the NR versions are valid to 12 December 2025! Table 133 for example. NR needs to catch up!
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369617/31264/30] Posted by rogerw at 15:02, 16th December 2025 Already liked by grahame | ![]() |
6 Newquay to Par
| Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification. In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369616/31246/21] Posted by matth1j at 13:55, 16th December 2025 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() |
Don't mention the duck pond

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cderr5zy0jno
| Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021 In "Across the West" [369615/24934/26] Posted by John D at 13:41, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
Asking questions that perhaps I should not:
* Is there some logic in having a more "cyclic" timetable which allows trains to be longer in summer and shorter in winter, allowing for more units to be under heavier maintenance when traffic levels are lower? I appreciate that there are Newquay and Pembroke Dock difference already - though are those more vestiges of history?
* A modest thinning out of tourist services during the winter would allow for staff training to catch up and (ducks!) for staff to take their holidays away from the peak
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* An adding of a few minutes here and there into schedules to avoid working trains to the extreme, though noting that the cycle length increase would tend to add the need for another train in the cycle, or reduce the frequency considering how short most turn rounds are already
I expect howls of "yes, but" ... but questions asked so "why not" can be explained.
* Is there some logic in having a more "cyclic" timetable which allows trains to be longer in summer and shorter in winter, allowing for more units to be under heavier maintenance when traffic levels are lower? I appreciate that there are Newquay and Pembroke Dock difference already - though are those more vestiges of history?
* A modest thinning out of tourist services during the winter would allow for staff training to catch up and (ducks!) for staff to take their holidays away from the peak
.* An adding of a few minutes here and there into schedules to avoid working trains to the extreme, though noting that the cycle length increase would tend to add the need for another train in the cycle, or reduce the frequency considering how short most turn rounds are already
I expect howls of "yes, but" ... but questions asked so "why not" can be explained.
I grew up in New Milton on the Bournemouth line and there was different timetables in summer and winter back in 1970s and 1980s.
Winter Sundays were completely different with the fasts continuing all stations to Brockenhurst-Weymouth (and no slow trains). The Lymington Pier service ran to Eastleigh as all stations (except Beaulieu Road which had no trains on Sundays in winter).
Effectively the 3 trains, fast, semi-fast and slow were reduced to one or two trains
So yes it can be done (and presumably in those days it was all worked out manually on graph paper), unlike today where paths can be checked by computer.
So yes can have different timetables, depending on season, and there is examples of it in South West. Probably just to lazy to be creative these days.
| M20 in Kent: Operation Brock could be scaled back by government In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369614/31272/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:59, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
From the BBC:

Operation Brock sees lorries heading to Dover queue on one side of the M20
The government is considering introducing a scaled-back version of a traffic-holding measure for vehicles queueing to cross the English Channel.
Operation Brock, a contraflow system on the M20 coast-bound in Kent, currently runs between junction eight, near Leeds Castle, and junction nine, near Ashford.
But the Department of Transport (DfT) is looking at starting it further down the motorway to try to stop lorries cutting through nearby villages. "We recognise the impact Operation Brock has on residents, which is why we continue to work closely with the Kent and Medway Resilience Forum to improve safety, reduce local disruption, and develop longer-term traffic management solutions," a DfT spokesperson said.
Operation Brock can currently be used to park 2,000 lorries, but Brock 2 or Mini Brock, as it is being called, could see that decrease to about 1,700. The last time Operation Brock was completely full was in the summer of 2022.
Helen Whately, MP for Faversham and Mid Kent, said Operation Brock was "beyond infuriating" and that she backed the push for a scaled-back version. "Brock jams up our roads when traffic grinds to a halt, lorries cut through villages, and families face delays getting to work," she said. "It was meant to be only for emergencies, now it's a regular headache."
Operation Brock is funded by the DfT, with decisions on its use made by the Kent and Medway Resilience Forum. On average, the operation costs about £250,000 each time it is deployed, a Freedom of Information request revealed.
The scheme was put in place overnight on Monday and was expected to be removed overnight on 22 December, with the motorway reopening as normal on 23 December.
The Kent and Medway Resilience Forum said if traffic started to build, drivers should check their route before setting off, allow extra time for their journey and pack their car with essentials, including food, water and medication.
In July, Kent County Council said it was looking for alternatives to Operation Brock, including an off-road lorry facility to try to ease congestion.
| Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021 In "Across the West" [369613/24934/26] Posted by a-driver at 12:53, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
This would make sense - I'm right in thinking that the 802s are GWRs own trains that they specced at the higher power rating for the GUs?, while the 800s are those that Hitachi own & specced to the DfT requirement & are lower rated?
So putting the 800s under less long-distance working off the wires? Ties in with the amended timetable starting on January 5th....
So putting the 800s under less long-distance working off the wires? Ties in with the amended timetable starting on January 5th....
This was originally the case when they were first introduced but the 800s now have the equivalent power output as an 802. It’s just a software change.
As for a timetable change.... The number of GU's isolated has dropped significantly so I can't see them making that decision now. They believe the problem is related to contaminated fuel (salt specifically)
| Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th In "The Lighter Side" [369612/31264/30] Posted by PrestburyRoad at 12:51, 16th December 2025 Already liked by Chris from Nailsea | ![]() |
There's a good YouTube video by Geoff Marshall which shows the operation of the Marlow branch, with guest star one Mark Hopwood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWf8LkRtgX0
| Re: AI videos simulating railway accidents In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369611/31188/49] Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:28, 16th December 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby | ![]() |
| Re: AI videos simulating railway accidents In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369610/31188/49] Posted by broadgage at 11:24, 16th December 2025 | ![]() |
Also lack of space between up and down lines, and no lineside fencing.
| Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification. In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369609/31246/21] Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:24, 16th December 2025 Already liked by TaplowGreen | ![]() |
Travelled past Sydney Gardens last Saturday on a diverted London-bound IET. If the good burghers of Bath really cared about the local environment as much as they claim how come they haven't forced their council to immediately remove the graffiti that I observed?
I don't think you can really compare a major investment programme - electrifying the railway - with a minor act of vandalism. The wiring through Bath (when, hopefully, it happens) will be a prominent feature for decades. It is important to get it right. It would have been a very serious act of vandalism to use the standard massive wiring gantries on a prominent route through a World Heritage City.
How should they go about 'forcing' their council to clean up a mess that the council didn't create? Bath's council would be unusual if it had much spare cash lying around.
















