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| Re: Station fire at Paignton, particularly the footbridge - 21 July 2026 In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [380693/32262/24] Posted by REVUpminster at 21:23, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
I was down there today. A ticket machine has been installed next to the portacabin cemented into the ground and a big train information display on the platform by the temporary access ramp. There are two ticket windows in the portacabin so those buying a ticket will not get wet if it rained; those queuing will. The train in the platform was at the old stopping marks.
This arrangement looks like it is for the long term. No idea what GWR are thinking maybe in conjunction with the council who have long term plans for the station and station car park. If GWR are just planning reinstatement then planning permission wouldn't be needed. I not sure if any changes GWR wanted to make would even need it if on railway land.
I don't know if the new depot at Exeter required planning permission. Edginswell did as it also used non railway land. The permissions for that expire November 2026.
| Re: Birmingham Airport announces £2bn expansion - October 2026 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380692/32597/51] Posted by John D at 20:56, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
Yes, IF you can persuade many of the foreign airlines to put on flights from these regions, as well as London.
They won't, because it's one plane load generally. Occasionally, two, and then Manchester sometimes gets one.
They won't, because it's one plane load generally. Occasionally, two, and then Manchester sometimes gets one.
I don't think it will affect airlines using Heathrow, but possibly foreign carriers that can't afford (or don't like idea of paying for) expensive London airport slots might be interested.
My guess those doing Long haul at Gatwick, might like the idea if price is right. HS2 from Birmingham Interchange to Old Oak is estimated at 31-32 minutes, bit faster than Gatwick to Victoria.
There are quite a few potential airlines who are at Gatwick, eg : Air Arabia, Air China, Air India, Air Mauritius, Air Zimbabwe, Azerbaijan Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Ethiopian Airlines, Gulf Air, Jet Blue, Kenya Airways, Singapore Airlines, Turkish Airlines, Turkmenistan Airlines, Uganda Airlines, Uzbekistan Airways, Westjet etc.
| Re: Lostwithiel - footbridge, services and sidings (merged topic) In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [380690/2681/25] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:49, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
Previous topics and posts on the particular subject of pubs (including Wetherspoons) have now been moved and merged into one definitive topic, at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15910.0
I hope this helps. CfN.

Previous topics and posts on this particular subject now merged here.

| Re: Lostwithiel - footbridge, services and sidings (merged topic) In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [380688/2681/25] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:56, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
There is every chance, ChrisB: I am already looking into merging Kernow Otter's post with posts from two of Grahame's topics into one new topic and renaming it accordingly, in a definitive topic.
I shall update our Coffee Shop members here when my work is done.
CfN.

Ideally you would do the job properly and run them to Crewe and onwards.
What a radical suggestion!

| Re: Birmingham Airport announces £2bn expansion - October 2026 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380685/32597/51] Posted by ChrisB at 19:24, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
Yes, IF you can persuade many of the foreign airlines to put on flights from these regions, as well as London.
They won't, because it's one plane load generally. Occasionally, two, and then Manchester sometimes gets one.
| Re: Grand Central applies for Newcastle–Brighton via North Downs In "North Downs Line" [380683/30190/16] Posted by stuving at 18:04, 10th October 2026 Already liked by IndustryInsider | ![]() |
This popped up in Wokingham Today this week, and I was not quite sure what I remembered about it, or why it was news. They did mention the four 180s GC have pre-booked for this route if approved; it was also linked in some reports to the decisions promised last week. I think it is still due real soon now, honest, so I did a bit of revision of the details.
It was first submitted in April 2025, and revised in December, and is one of the five further OA applications ORR have in their in tray after the three they killed off last week. These are all "section 17" applications, meaning Network Rail (and others) are disputing their acceptability. There's a list of them behind the link on this page, and the description of GC's proposal is in their "Form P". There are also other documents there now, e.g. trying to persuade NR how easy it is to fit these paths in.
The full route they are asking for runs (and calls at): Newcastle, Durham, Darlington, Northallerton, York, Doncaster, Sheffield, Derby, Burton-on-Trent, Birmingham New Street, Warwick Parkway, Banbury, Oxford, Reading, Wokingham, Guildford, Redhill, Gatwick Airport, Haywards Heath and Brighton.
it's not going to be impressively quick, as on some bits - notably the Brighton Line - the only capacity they can claim is spare is on the slow lines. They do still claim a time advantage but that's mainly by running direct from their stations to Gatwick (which is their big draw in terms of attracting enough passengers).
This is their rationale, from the Form P:
Through this application, GC is seeking to provide more direct rail connectivity to areas which we consider underserved, and provide passengers with an additional option for environmentally friendly transport to London Gatwick Airport from the Midlands and North East of England, when compared to driving, or coach travel.
The new services will bring the benefits of competition, as experienced on the East Coast Mainline (ECML), to the cross- country route, which between the ECML and South East of England has no competition to the fare setter, other than premium fares via London.
This application will support the continued expansion of GC to the benefit of passengers, in particular introducing direct rail connectivity between the South Coast and the Northeast of England, where GC has a long track record of supporting underserved communities, while also growing overall revenue and patronage on rail services. In addition, this new proposed route will also directly connect England’s second most populous city, Birmingham and surrounding areas to the second busiest airport in the UK, which in 2024 served 43.2 million passengers, and whose stated goal is to serve 80 million passengers annually by the late 2030s with the project to open a second runway currently underway.
GC has already had discussions with London Gatwick, who welcome this application and are excited about the opportunities it creates for more direct connectivity to the airport. It also re- connects Birmingham with the largest British conurbation without a current direct rail service, in Brighton and Hove.
This application is made considering the implementation of the East Coast Mainline (ECML) Event Steering Group (ESG) timetable in December 2025, our timetable also makes updates and considers the May 2026 timetable.
These new direct GC services provide rail journey times between the Southeast and Birmingham/Oxford, which compete favourably with the fastest current rail journey times (e.g. Gatwick Airport – Birmingham GC 3h 00, compared to 2h 40), which involve at least one interchange, usually including a change between London termini. Direct journey times are also comparable with average road journey times (c3h 00 for Gatwick Airport – Birmingham by car, and 4h 00 by coach), without the added uncertainty from the use of the congested M25. This is particularly true of poorly served stations for these routes, such as Guildford (Guildford – Birmingham GC 2h 14, against current rail 2h 30 via Reading, or 2h 45 by car).
On longer journeys from the Southeast to the Northeast, the GC proposed direct journey times also compare favourably with car and coach journey times, although they are slower than the premium- priced services requiring a cross-London interchange. For example, beyond Derby, coach services to Gatwick Airport require an interchange, which means the current cost-effective solution takes, for example, from York 8 hours by coach and 5 hours by car, compared to the direct proposed 5 hours by GC.
The new services will bring the benefits of competition, as experienced on the East Coast Mainline (ECML), to the cross- country route, which between the ECML and South East of England has no competition to the fare setter, other than premium fares via London.
This application will support the continued expansion of GC to the benefit of passengers, in particular introducing direct rail connectivity between the South Coast and the Northeast of England, where GC has a long track record of supporting underserved communities, while also growing overall revenue and patronage on rail services. In addition, this new proposed route will also directly connect England’s second most populous city, Birmingham and surrounding areas to the second busiest airport in the UK, which in 2024 served 43.2 million passengers, and whose stated goal is to serve 80 million passengers annually by the late 2030s with the project to open a second runway currently underway.
GC has already had discussions with London Gatwick, who welcome this application and are excited about the opportunities it creates for more direct connectivity to the airport. It also re- connects Birmingham with the largest British conurbation without a current direct rail service, in Brighton and Hove.
This application is made considering the implementation of the East Coast Mainline (ECML) Event Steering Group (ESG) timetable in December 2025, our timetable also makes updates and considers the May 2026 timetable.
These new direct GC services provide rail journey times between the Southeast and Birmingham/Oxford, which compete favourably with the fastest current rail journey times (e.g. Gatwick Airport – Birmingham GC 3h 00, compared to 2h 40), which involve at least one interchange, usually including a change between London termini. Direct journey times are also comparable with average road journey times (c3h 00 for Gatwick Airport – Birmingham by car, and 4h 00 by coach), without the added uncertainty from the use of the congested M25. This is particularly true of poorly served stations for these routes, such as Guildford (Guildford – Birmingham GC 2h 14, against current rail 2h 30 via Reading, or 2h 45 by car).
On longer journeys from the Southeast to the Northeast, the GC proposed direct journey times also compare favourably with car and coach journey times, although they are slower than the premium- priced services requiring a cross-London interchange. For example, beyond Derby, coach services to Gatwick Airport require an interchange, which means the current cost-effective solution takes, for example, from York 8 hours by coach and 5 hours by car, compared to the direct proposed 5 hours by GC.
Of course it will still most likely be refused.
| Re: Direct London trains from Shropshire 'will not start in 2026' In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [380682/31388/28] Posted by eXPassenger at 17:58, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
So the problem is a lack of capacity on the WCML. I wonder how the number of available paths could be increased?
I am sure you are thinking of an additional pair of lines for anyone wanting to go from Old Oak Common tp Solihull
Ideally you would do the job properly and run them to Crewe and onwards.
| Re: Birmingham Airport announces £2bn expansion - October 2026 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380681/32597/51] Posted by Sixty3Closure at 17:18, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
I'm sure there's a reason somewhere but I struggle to understand why there isn't more investment in regional airports across the UK as opposed to spending a fortune on Heathrow. Relatives in Scotland often have to come to London/South East for flights as none in Scotland. That seems bad on many levels.
Wouldn't moving some of these flights to the regions then free up capacity?
See also a previous topic, which Coffee Shop forum member Kernow Otter reminded me about:
Can't for the life of me find what I recall was a specific thread on 'pubs near stations' ...
It took even me a while, but I have now found it for you, Kernow Otter: see https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15910.0
That topic was originally specific to Wetherspoons at railway stations, but it did indeed expand to cover 'public houses near the railways' generally.
CfN.


| Re: Hospice charity 'disappointed' after its miniature railway targeted by vandals In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380678/32600/51] Posted by ChrisB at 16:25, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
Electrify it...
| Re: Direct London trains from Shropshire 'will not start in 2026' In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [380677/31388/28] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:25, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
In the interests of clarity, I have now amended the original heading of this topic - which I started, in all good faith.

| Re: Lostwithiel - footbridge, services and sidings (merged topic) In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [380676/2681/25] Posted by ChrisB at 16:22, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
Any chance that you might rename it so searches do locate it?
| Re: Lostwithiel - footbridge, services and sidings (merged topic) In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [380675/2681/25] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:08, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
Can't for the life of me find what I recall was a specific thread on 'pubs near stations' ...
It took even me a while, but I have now found it for you, Kernow Otter: see https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15910.0
That topic was originally specific to Wetherspoons at railway stations, but it did indeed expand to cover 'public houses near the railways' generally.
CfN.

| Hospice charity 'disappointed' after its miniature railway targeted by vandals In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380674/32600/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:45, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Hospice charity 'disappointed' after its miniature railway targeted by vandals

The attraction in Inverness is popular throughout the summer - Image © Highland Hospice
A charity which operates the UK's most northerly public miniature railway says it is considering installing CCTV after repeated vandalism.
The Ness Islands miniature railway in Whin Park, Inverness, has had its track and points system damaged.
Highland Hospice, which has operated the attraction since 2019, said it was "disappointed" it had been targeted twice in a short period of time. All profits from the railway go to the charity, which provides palliative and end of life care to patients across the region.
The miniature railway has been a popular attraction for local and visiting families in many years. Having been first established in 1983, the trains run half a mile through the park by the River Ness. It is named after the adjacent Ness Islands in the river.
Recently there have been repeated instances of vandalism to the site, which is looked after by volunteers, most recently the points system was damaged and had to be replaced.
This is not the first time the attraction has been targeted. In 2019, the route of the train had to be diverted after the Victorian Footbridge it goes over sustained significant damage.
Andrew Leaver, from Highland Hospice said: "The young people came across and started stamping on all the timbers, broke up the timbers and we had to re-route the train." He said on other occasions tracks had been "ripped up" for "no apparent reason".
Leaver added: "I just think its a real shame that people don't have something better to do. Maybe we should be trying to find things that give people more creativity and more opportunity to enjoy themselves."

The attraction in Inverness is popular throughout the summer - Image © Highland Hospice
A charity which operates the UK's most northerly public miniature railway says it is considering installing CCTV after repeated vandalism.
The Ness Islands miniature railway in Whin Park, Inverness, has had its track and points system damaged.
Highland Hospice, which has operated the attraction since 2019, said it was "disappointed" it had been targeted twice in a short period of time. All profits from the railway go to the charity, which provides palliative and end of life care to patients across the region.
The miniature railway has been a popular attraction for local and visiting families in many years. Having been first established in 1983, the trains run half a mile through the park by the River Ness. It is named after the adjacent Ness Islands in the river.
Recently there have been repeated instances of vandalism to the site, which is looked after by volunteers, most recently the points system was damaged and had to be replaced.
This is not the first time the attraction has been targeted. In 2019, the route of the train had to be diverted after the Victorian Footbridge it goes over sustained significant damage.
Andrew Leaver, from Highland Hospice said: "The young people came across and started stamping on all the timbers, broke up the timbers and we had to re-route the train." He said on other occasions tracks had been "ripped up" for "no apparent reason".
Leaver added: "I just think its a real shame that people don't have something better to do. Maybe we should be trying to find things that give people more creativity and more opportunity to enjoy themselves."
| Re: Ideas for a day out? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380673/32559/31] Posted by Trowres at 15:35, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
(I should confess, first, that I had a sneak preview trip to Dawlish a couple of weeks ago. This is relevant to some of the comments).
The journey experience
For both outward journeys, and one of the return journeys, I made use of the Torbay Express, which provides a through journey from Westbury to Dawlish and v.v. Having a relatively uninterrupted journey is an improved experience (even for someone comfortable with changing trains).
Most services ran well. The down train on Wednesday was 30+ late, after the set was swapped at Reading. Frankly, I'm surprised that there was something available for the swap. It was 9-for-9 and the new unit managed to have the seat reservation information.
It took a while for Mrs T and I to find a table with decent window alignment where both seats were free for the entirety of the journey we were making. We managed (with a bit of help from no-shows) but the effort, and the generality of restricted views caused by bodywork pillars or seat backs takes the shine off what should be a quality railway experience.
The IET seats were adequate for the journey we were making.
On neither of the down journeys did the catering trolley appear. On one of the up journeys (this was from Plymouth, not the Torbay Express) the trolley was for some reason static, manned by a friendly and apologetic chap. On the other up journey, the trolley hadn't made it through the train by Westbury. Is one trolley really sufficient for a 9 car train? It's fair to say that the simple enjoyment of a coffee as we looked out of the window would have made the experience less bland.
| Re: Ideas for a day out? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380672/32559/31] Posted by Mark A at 14:11, 10th October 2026 Already liked by Trowres | ![]() |
Thanks for this thread.
| Re: 9th October 2026 - TravelWatch SouthWest, Taunton In "Diary - what's happening when?" [380671/32460/34] Posted by Mark A at 14:10, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
After the traditional disrupted journey to TWSW, delay repay failed at the first attempt, which it would do as that one needs the Mark 1 human eyeball on it. (It has to be said that eyeballs were rolling at the sequence of events at Bristol Temple Meads. Additionally, the station has Network Rail QR code links to a feedback survey for their stations - I completed the survey and then found that the 'Submit' button wouldn't...)
The disruption being down to the 9:45 2 x 4 Voyager set, half of which arrived sick and all of which arrived ten minutes late. Various quick fixes didn't work, and after passengers had been asked to join the front half, all were further asked to join the 10:45 that had by then arrived on Platform 10. However, no working lift to Platform 10, which might have prompted the decision to run the front four of the 09:45 on to Plymouth ahead of the 10.45. Surprisingly despite a great many standing passengers, a few seats were to be found.
The return journey through a busy Bristol Temple Meads: by chance the ~4 carriage 16:49 in the Westbury direction was departing from platform 15, which isn't split into two sections - which made for a contrasting experience to the 'Ascend the stairs and hike off to extremities of the station' approach that we'd enjoyed (twice) in the morning - said 16:49 to be found at the top of the stairs.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Westbury" [380670/31359/18] Posted by bobm at 11:45, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
It was delayed eight minutes waiting for a diverted service to Plymouth to clear the single line. However it made up time and was only one minute late into Swindon.
| Re: May 2022 Timetable Update In "Cross Country services" [380669/26265/43] Posted by REVUpminster at 11:18, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
No xcountry trains from Paignton today or London trains. Apparently engineering works elsewhere.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Westbury" [380668/31359/18] Posted by grahame at 10:42, 10th October 2026 | ![]() |
09:48 Westbury to Swindon due 10:35
09:48 Westbury to Swindon due 10:35 is being delayed between Trowbridge and Melksham.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.
09:48 Westbury to Swindon due 10:35 is being delayed between Trowbridge and Melksham.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.
| To start a new topic on the Coffee Shop In "News, Help and Assistance" [380666/32599/29] Posted by grahame at 06:47, 10th October 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
Answering a member's enquiry - worth a public writeup - To start a new topic on the Coffee Shop
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