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Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369201/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 16:40, 9th December 2025
 

17:57 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 20:11 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 14:32


And following the cancellation of the 17:57, the next service won't get you beyond Reading!!!

18:57 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 21:18 will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at Oxford, Hanborough, Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Honeybourne, Evesham, Pershore, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcester Foregate Street, Malvern Link and Great Malvern.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 15:24

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369200/31038/40]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:33, 9th December 2025
 
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.

Indeed. You wouldn't see Siobahn Sharpe and her chums at Perfect Curve making that kind of schoolchild-error.

I suspect that the DfT was keen above all not to generate headlines about cost. Which may have worked; as far as I can detect the media has not reported it.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369199/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 16:02, 9th December 2025
 
Tuesdays and Fridays are my days off (AKA working from home) fortunately It does look pretty grim outside at the moment, a good day to not be commuting.

Surpisingly, only one issue so far

15:15 Swindon to Westbury due 15:59

15:15 Swindon to Westbury due 15:59 is being delayed between Chippenham and Melksham and is now expected to be 12 minutes late.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

Aggregate empties from Appleford to Whatley running 23 minutes late as it passed though Melksham.  The passenger trains had to wait at Thingley Junction for the freight to clear Bradford Junction because there are no intermediate signals.  Gone are the days of signals and boxes at Lacock, Beanacre, Melksham, Holt and Staverton. 

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369198/31038/40]
Posted by broadgage at 14:47, 9th December 2025
 
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369197/31226/49]
Posted by grahame at 13:46, 9th December 2025
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I have found a tracing I did from the GWR route surveys. It is dated 1877. It shows the goods shed and platforms but no signal box. This was 3years after the gauge was narrowed. Somewhere there is a photo of Melksham supposedly from the 1874 gauge change.



Fascinating - and this is the 1874 picture:



Supplied by the Melksham Historical Association for appropriate use to promote the (re)use of the station.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369196/31038/40]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 13:32, 9th December 2025
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That's a mess if you ask me ,far too harsh on the eye for my taste.

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369195/31226/49]
Posted by bradshaw at 13:10, 9th December 2025
 
I have found a tracing I did from the GWR route surveys. It is dated 1877. It shows the goods shed and platforms but no signal box. This was 3years after the gauge was narrowed. Somewhere there is a photo of Melksham supposedly from the 1874 gauge change.


Newquay trains cancelled because of flooding 9 December 2025
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [369194/31231/25]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 13:08, 9th December 2025
 
12:16 Par to Newquay due 13:04 will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 09:31

etc

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369193/31038/40]
Posted by ray951 at 12:25, 9th December 2025
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That livery is a mess, too many colours going in too many directions. It certainly wasn't designed by professionals, more likely it was the output of a group activity at a Dft/GBR corporate away day.

And have you noticed how the colours change direction i.e. in the photo the first three carriages have the white stripe raising on the right and the 4th carriage the white stripe raises on the left. How will that look on a train with an odd number of carriages, you'll have 3 going one way and 2 the other   Maybe the 'designers' don't like symmetry.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369192/31038/40]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:25, 9th December 2025
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I think the best silver linings to this cloud are:

* They saved money by assigning the design job to someone on Youth Opportunities (presumably)
* It probably won't last long
* Regions will get their own identities

Re: On this day - 9th December 2005 - last Routemaster in regular service
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369190/28241/47]
Posted by grahame at 11:57, 9th December 2025
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20 years ago today ... from ((here)) under a Creative Commons License


Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369189/31038/40]
Posted by lympstone_commuter at 11:54, 9th December 2025
 
Hmmm - in my view, this simply illustrates how excellent the (current) GWR branding is.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369188/31038/40]
Posted by grahame at 11:38, 9th December 2025
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However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.

Just... yikes.

I recently commissioned an excellent designer to redesign parts of cycle.travel because I recognise that design is absolutely not my strength. That's for one little website/app, not for an entire nationalised railway.

Redesigning GBR in-house, with a team of people who have presumably never designed a train livery before, is reminiscent of the disaster when Marissa Mayer redesigned the Yahoo logo.

What we are talking about ... as on the gov.uk site:


Questions raised (some already in this thread) are such as
* How clean will it be kept?
* Does the logo turn around for running the other way?
* How will yellow and red striped for first class and catering fit with this?
* How will it look when multiple units are coupled and perhaps one is turned around?

Re: Cars getting bigger - is this a concern?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369187/31190/5]
Posted by CyclingSid at 11:27, 9th December 2025
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Reducing the harms from ever larger cars - evidence
https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2162.full

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369186/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 11:22, 9th December 2025
 
Tuesday December 9
 
1P02 05:23 Hereford to London Paddington : started from Shrub Hill (RTT : "due to an issue with the train crew (TH)").
2E80 07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway : held Moreton (+12) and Charlbury (+23), arrived Oxford +28 and cancelled thereafter.
1P18 07:13 Great Malvern to Paddington (09:42) : held Charlbury (+40), arrived Reading +35 and cancelled thereafter (RTT : "due to unknown cause (ZW)")

09:56 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 12:23 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to earlier engineering works not being finished on time.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 08:37

1W13 0652 London Paddington to Great Malvern (09:29) : departed +14, Oxford +24, arrived Shrub Hill and cancelled thereafter (RTT : "due to overrunning engineering works (I5)").

EDIT - 14:45

11:52 London Paddington to Hereford due 14:44 will be terminated at Great Malvern.
It has been delayed between Oxford and Hanborough and is now 17 minutes late.
This is due to congestion.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 14:29
Oxford +12, arrived Great Malvern +19 and cancelled thereafter (RTT : "due to disorder (VA)").

15:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 18:29 will be started from Great Malvern.
This is due to congestion.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 14:29

17:57 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 20:11 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 14:32

EDIT - 16:00

Stock of 17:57 PAD-WOF is running empty to Foregate St.


Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369185/31229/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 11:19, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Mark Lane has become Tower Hill.

Followers of Jago Hazzard's YouTube channel may have seen his video on this particular change, and he has also covered many other aspects of the evolution of the Underground.  A running theme is a certain moustachioed American who is often mentioned, one Charles Tyson Yerkes - and now that I've mentioned his name I need a drink (cheers!)

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369184/31038/40]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 11:17, 9th December 2025
 
However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.

Just... yikes.

I recently commissioned an excellent designer to redesign parts of cycle.travel because I recognise that design is absolutely not my strength. That's for one little website/app, not for an entire nationalised railway.

Redesigning GBR in-house, with a team of people who have presumably never designed a train livery before, is reminiscent of the disaster when Marissa Mayer redesigned the Yahoo logo.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369183/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 11:08, 9th December 2025
 
This morning looks interesting. There are three services into one - with Castle Cary to Taunton closed for engineering, with Swindon to Parkway closed for flooding, three major main lines are all being funnelled through Chippenham and Bath. If the 17:35 off Chippenham is held back / misses its path, it may be a bit of a wait for the next path
Tuesdays and Fridays are my days off (AKA working from home) fortunately It does look pretty grim outside at the moment, a good day to not be commuting.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369182/31038/40]
Posted by Mark A at 11:03, 9th December 2025
 
Is it a bit dazzle camoflagy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

How will this sit with signing that's carried by train exteriors? Thinking of stripes on carriages that denote 1st/standard class, wheelchair space, cycle space etc.

Also, the choice of white for the doors will put the spotlight on the effectiveness of the systems used to clean train exteriors.

Mark


Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369181/31038/40]
Posted by matth1j at 10:57, 9th December 2025
 
And now -the new livery-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9kx0je10o

..which looks like it has been designed so as to avoid Reform complaining about politically correct designs being foisted on England's travelling public.

Paint job on renationalised trains ‘a mad dog’s breakfast’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/bfc89bd6d8360dc6

Renationalised trains will be given a Union flag-inspired red, white and blue livery, the Government has announced.

State-owned company Great British Railways (GBR) is to unveil its branding on Tuesday, before it is rolled out to trains, websites and stations from next spring.

Stephen Bayley, founder of the Design Museum, criticised the new colour scheme.

Mr Bayley said: “It’s atrocious. A mad dog’s breakfast. A livery is branding and branding is all about associations and expectations.

“In this sense, they’ve got it right. It projects the values of the sponsoring organisation: artless, careless, clumsy, unintelligent and uncoordinated.”

Referring to Japan’s bullet trains, he continued: “Have they never seen a Japanese Shinkansen? That’s what a train should look like.

“We have some of the best designers in the world in this country. A pity they were not hired by Great British Railways.”

However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.

The new livery will mark a stark change from the “Rail Blue” colour scheme that defined publicly owned British Rail’s trains from the mid-1960s to the 1980s.

Christian Wolmar, a rail historian and author, said he found the new GBR livery “impressive”, saying: “I think it conveys an impression of speed. It’s elegant. It combines Union Jack colours, and I think it’s very important to have an identity.

“The design is bloody fabulous. I just wonder if it’s a bit too modern, whether they could have reflected at all on the past, but I have to commend it.”

The seven major train operators that have already nationalised have kept the branding of their previous operators.

The Government has said that existing train companies will rebrand as Great British Railways, a process that has now been brought forward to next year from the expected date of 2027.

Heidi Alexander, the Transport Secretary, said: “I’m immensely proud to unveil the new look for Great British Railways as we deliver landmark legislation to nationalise our trains and reform the railway so it better serves passengers.

“This isn’t just a paint job, it represents a new railway, casting off the frustrations of the past and focused entirely on delivering a proper public service for passengers.

“With fares frozen, a bold new look and fundamental reforms becoming law, we are building a railway Britain can rely on and be proud of.”

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369180/31229/30]
Posted by stuving at 09:43, 9th December 2025
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The Circle Line

Which was a "circle" of sorts, until it got cut through at Edgware Road

Not just the circle - the old Metropolitan and District Lines were split three ways, with the new Met and District lines sharing with the Circle, and with each other eastwards to Barking. Then later the Hammersmith & City was marked as a line in its own right, and the ELL taken away to be linked with the wider Overground.

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369179/31229/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:35, 9th December 2025
 
The East London Line and Northern City Line now part of the Overground and National Rail. St Mary's Curve and Shoreditch gone.

No more Middle Circle.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [369178/18719/26]
Posted by bradshaw at 09:31, 9th December 2025
 
Last Saturday seven services were cancelled on the Weymouth line, along with two on Sunday. As with other lines crewing is becoming a problem.

I understand from previous posts that Westbury provide most of the train crew for the line.

With the upcoming move to GBR is is not time to expand the train crew depot at Yeovil Junction and use the additional complement to staff the Weymouth to Westbury line. The units could be stabled at the Junction. This would cut out the early morning ecs to Yeovil from Westbury but would need an ecs working, or a passenger service, to Weymouth to run the first up train from there.

Re: IET wi-fi upgrade - pilot scheme on W of E trains
In "Across the West" [369177/31108/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:26, 9th December 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
I've merged a couple of topics here, as they relate to the same scheme.

CfN.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369176/31038/40]
Posted by eightonedee at 09:21, 9th December 2025
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And now -the new livery-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9kx0je10o

..which looks like it has been designed so as to avoid Reform complaining about politically correct designs being foisted on England's travelling public.

Interesting to see if any local or regional variations are allowed/introduced (on the basis that the TfW and Scottish ones are "national" and will not change). From recent overseas trips, regional liveries seem to be a growing trend in Europe.

Re: SWR improvements under GBR
In "South Western services" [369175/31227/42]
Posted by bradshaw at 09:18, 9th December 2025
 
I would agree about Tisbury and Templecombe. However, when the Cl159s were introduced the up platform at Crewkerne was raised to make access easier. It was also extended outwards to ease the limited width under the road bridge.
The result is that there is no longer a track bed width that would support double track without taking a chunk out of the old down platform. While possible the land behind has been sold off for housing, meaning that the width of the platform would be restricted. The road bridge would also need to be reconstructed to give adequate clearance to a shifted track.

Re: London to Frankfurt and Geneva - direct trains from Eurostar?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369174/29934/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:18, 9th December 2025
 

This map implies that an HS2><HS1 connection would diverge from HS2 to/from Euston immediately west of the Chalk Farm Roundhouse.
Is that still the plan?
Assuming HS2 (or 'HSx') reaches at least as far north as Manchester, unless these trains run to/from Curzon Street, 'North of London' services would have no need to call at STP, where as things stand there is possibly insufficient platform capacity anyway, this seems to me a very sensible solution. 

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369173/31229/30]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 09:14, 9th December 2025
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The all-caps labels; the non-colocated circles for interchanges; the single green colour for the Metropolitan and District/Circle; the use of pull-outs (or "halos") so that a label can overlap a line (e.g. Monument); the centre alignment for multiple-line labels, even next to a vertical line (e.g. Highbury & Islington); the use of subtitles in smaller text for some stations (e.g. "Arsenal (Highbury Hill)"); concealing angles behind station interchange symbols (e.g. Mile End), which the modern Tube map never does; the stairs symbol at Monument/Bank.

Oh, and I think the whole thing is slightly out of register - the blue should be a bit up-and-to-the-left.

(I realise this is more than one answer, but I figured everyone else would be doing the factual stuff so I was clear to do the cartographical differences!  )

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369172/31226/49]
Posted by bradshaw at 09:10, 9th December 2025
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The Wilts Record Office at Chippenham has the plans and book of reference for the WSWR dated 1844/5. The map is in the form of a strip numbering every property through which it passes and 100yds on either side.
The book of reference lists each if these properties and give the owner, occupier and lessee for each. These are very under utilised resources. They can also be tied in to the Tithe Maps of similar dates. Copies were sent to every county through which the line was planned to pass.
The reference for this record office is
A1/371/68MS

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369171/31229/30]
Posted by rogerpatenall at 09:09, 9th December 2025
 
Central line extended east from Liverpool Street

 
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