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Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [373233/31359/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:22, 10th March 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Wouldn't the re-routed trains appear on the station departure boards in some form?

Very likely - though I'm not when. Not there to observe

You can view the boards online can't you? How do the boards I see in people's houses work? That feed is presumably free?

You can.  Indeed the forum header text links to a few of the busier ones.

Here is Melksham:
https://tiger.worldline.global/MELKSHM/cisds

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [373232/31359/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:25, 10th March 2026
 
Wouldn't the re-routed trains appear on the station departure boards in some form?

Very likely - though I'm not when. Not there to observe

You can view the boards online can't you? How do the boards I see in people's houses work? That feed is presumably free?

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373231/31731/4]
Posted by paul7575 at 20:45, 10th March 2026
 
I’ve only used my bus pass twice, Gateshead to Newcastle upon Tyne and return. It’s coming up to 6 years old, I live in the middle of Hampshire but can’t remember the last time I used a local bus.  I think Hampshire is on the bog standard timings.

Paul

Re: Bristol Rail Campaign (FoSBR) AGM
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [373230/31295/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:05, 10th March 2026
 
... I'll be the tall bearded one in a yellow T shirt!
Rather strange apparel, for a squirrel. 

However: if that is apparently the dress code for the event, I will be the slightly less tall bearded one in a yellow T shirt!

My T shirt, by the way, will be an historic TransWilts one, rather than the current official Bristol Rail Campaign one.


Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373229/31038/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:23, 10th March 2026
 
Which backs up Mark Hopwood's comment last Friday that GWR's transfer date would be more 'winter' than autumn. Presumably around 3 months from Chilterns date above.

Re: Fuel tax - freeze, and should it have been frozen in the first place?
In "Fare's Fair" [373228/31734/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:18, 10th March 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A
 
Graham this isn't just about people and their private cars

Fuel duty affects manufacturers, distributors, retailers, logistics, haulage and agriculture.

I appreciate that - perhaps a bit more than I made out.  I did understand that these is a special "agricultural diesel" rate - "red diesel" at a much lower rate- or is that a thing of the past past?

Increase these costs and inflation will rise with them as they are passed on through supply chains to end users, who are quite often already struggling to make ends meet, and it potentially has a devastating impact on an already shaky economy.

Public transport complements road transport - it cannot and will not ever take its place in the way some aspire to, it is simply not living in the real world to suggest otherwise, and politically I think you will find there are far more appealing homes for additional tax revenue than the railway, at least in the proportions you are suggesting.

Yes - and of course some public transport IS road transport  . ...  I did a "reductio ad absurdum" exercise and, agreed, it WOULD be absurd to take it all the way!    There's is some scope though - and the example a gave at looked at a single year, where in practice investment in one year would reap benefits for many years thereafter.

There is scope certainly - but rather like the NHS it isn't necessarily about throwing more money at it, but using the vast amounts already in the system more efficiently.

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373227/31731/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:10, 10th March 2026
 
The Wiltshire Council website says 09:00 to 11:59pm Monday-Friday in Wiltshire for holders of Wiltshire issued passes, but 09:30 to 11pm in Wiltshire if pass was issued in different county
So acceptance time is different when at a Wiltshire bus stop depending on where it was issued.

My understanding is that I can use my North Somerset bus pass in Wiltshire on weekdays after 9:30am - and I have done so, with no issue on my part.

CfN.

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373226/31731/4]
Posted by John D at 16:56, 10th March 2026
 
From Wiltshire Live

Bus companies operating in Swindon could be asked to look at extending the hours of free bus travel for older passengers, as well as capping the fares for youngsters.

A motion will be put before councillors at the meeting next week, which, if passed, will mandate the leader to write to bus companies, and specifically Swindon’s Bus Company and Stagecoach, and ask them to work with the council on looking at both issues.


In Wiltshire, I believe it's from 09:00 to last timetabled service on Mondays to Fridays, and any time on Saturday and Sunday.


The Wiltshire Council website says 09:00 to 11:59pm Monday-Friday in Wiltshire for holders of Wiltshire issued passes, but 09:30 to 11pm in Wiltshire if pass was issued in different county

So acceptance time is different when at a Wiltshire bus stop depending on where it was issued.

Re: Fuel tax - freeze, and should it have been frozen in the first place?
In "Fare's Fair" [373225/31734/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:48, 10th March 2026
 
... I did understand that there is a special "agricultural diesel" rate  - "red diesel" at a much lower rate- or is that a thing of the past?

Red diesel is indeed still a feature of the fuel supply - allowed for agriculture, forestry and domestic power (not propulsion) on private narrowboats, for example. 

Our local garage used to sell it - from a specific pump, which had a separate key to operate it, and which had to be obtained from the garage office by legitimate users for each transaction. That facility disappeared when our local garage changed hands, and, to be honest, we never had that many tractors (or narrowboats) passing under the railway bridge at Nailsea & Backwell who would have refuelled there. 

CfN. 

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373224/31038/40]
Posted by grahame at 16:27, 10th March 2026
 
Dft have announced update to rail public ownership programme

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/great-british-railways#full-publication-update-history

It's about 3 months since previous operator conversion date was announced, but I cannot work out what has been updated.


Announcement of Chiltern date

In March 2026, the Secretary of State made a final decision in regard to the transfer of Chiltern Railways’ services and an expiry notice was issued to confirm that the date of transfer will be 20 September 2026.

Re: Fuel tax - freeze, and should it have been frozen in the first place?
In "Fare's Fair" [373223/31734/4]
Posted by grahame at 16:21, 10th March 2026
 
Graham this isn't just about people and their private cars

Fuel duty affects manufacturers, distributors, retailers, logistics, haulage and agriculture.

I appreciate that - perhaps a bit more than I made out.  I did understand that these is a special "agricultural diesel" rate - "red diesel" at a much lower rate- or is that a thing of the past past?

Increase these costs and inflation will rise with them as they are passed on through supply chains to end users, who are quite often already struggling to make ends meet, and it potentially has a devastating impact on an already shaky economy.

Public transport complements road transport - it cannot and will not ever take its place in the way some aspire to, it is simply not living in the real world to suggest otherwise, and politically I think you will find there are far more appealing homes for additional tax revenue than the railway, at least in the proportions you are suggesting.

Yes - and of course some public transport IS road transport  . ...  I did a "reductio ad absurdum" exercise and, agreed, it WOULD be absurd to take it all the way!    There's is some scope though - and the example a gave at looked at a single year, where in practice investment in one year would reap benefits for many years thereafter.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373222/31038/40]
Posted by John D at 16:06, 10th March 2026
 
Dft have announced update to rail public ownership programme

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/great-british-railways#full-publication-update-history

It's about 3 months since previous operator conversion date was announced, but I cannot work out what has been updated.

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373221/31731/4]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 16:01, 10th March 2026
 
In Gloucestershire the rules are the usual 9.30am to 11pm on weekdays and any time at weekends and bank holidays.  In addition it can be used before 09:30 on certain routes - I think these are very infrequent rural routes where there otherwise be a big gap or even no other service that day.

Re: Fuel tax - freeze, and should it have been frozen in the first place?
In "Fare's Fair" [373220/31734/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:55, 10th March 2026
 
From the BBC

Calls grow for Reeves to ditch fuel tax hike over Iran

Chancellor Rachel Reeves is facing growing calls from opposition parties to reverse a planned hike to fuel duty as the conflict in the Middle East continues.

The tax rate on petrol and diesel is due to rise from September, when a 5p cut made after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine is set to be phased out.

But Reform UK, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are all arguing that the war in Iran means the chancellor should keep the cut in place.

Energy prices have risen since the US and Israel began strikes on the country, amid fears the conflict would cause lengthy disruption to supplies.

The headline rate on standard petrol and diesel is 52.95 pence per litre, which has been frozen since 2011-12, including a "temporary 5p cut" introduced in 2022-23 which is supposed to be being withdrawn later this year.  Fuel Duty - £24 billion - £835 per household

For the financial year April 2024 to March 2025, the UK rail industry's income from passenger fares was £11.5 billion (and £12.6 including other sources). Government funding for the UK rail industry in 2024-25 was £11.9 billion, supporting nearly half of the total £25.9 billion in industry income.

52.95 pence in 2011 would be equivalent to 77.89 pence today.  If that 25p fuel tax that has been foregone were to have been taken this year and invested in the railways, it would amount to an extra investment / income of around £12 billion. So fares could be halved and £6 billion invested too.

Of course, it gets more complicated; reduced fares and increased investment (if it's done right) will rocket passenger numbers, and passenger numbers will grow; being mass transit, the cost per passenger reduces and you have whole new balance of sustainable public transport becoming the norm.  UK electification rates more in line with other counties in Europe?   People moving even more rapidly away from fossils fuels?  `Inflation stoked by the tax increase and political unrest from those reliant on private cars?

Graham this isn't just about people and their private cars

Fuel duty affects manufacturers, distributors, retailers, logistics, haulage and agriculture.

Increase these costs and inflation will rise with them as they are passed on through supply chains to end users, who are quite often already struggling to make ends meet, and it potentially has a devastating impact on an already shaky economy.

Public transport complements road transport - it cannot and will not ever take its place in the way some aspire to, it is simply not living in the real world to suggest otherwise, and politically I think you will find there are far more appealing homes for additional tax revenue than the railway, at least in the proportions you are suggesting.



Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373219/31731/4]
Posted by bobm at 15:37, 10th March 2026
 
Worse time to catch a bus in Swindon is 09:15.  You seem to get an endless stream of people who then appear surprised their pass is not valid.   I am sure some of them do it regularly in the hope they will be waved on board.

Fuel tax - freeze, and should it have been frozen in the first place?
In "Fare's Fair" [373218/31734/4]
Posted by grahame at 15:24, 10th March 2026
 
From the BBC

Calls grow for Reeves to ditch fuel tax hike over Iran

Chancellor Rachel Reeves is facing growing calls from opposition parties to reverse a planned hike to fuel duty as the conflict in the Middle East continues.

The tax rate on petrol and diesel is due to rise from September, when a 5p cut made after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine is set to be phased out.

But Reform UK, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are all arguing that the war in Iran means the chancellor should keep the cut in place.

Energy prices have risen since the US and Israel began strikes on the country, amid fears the conflict would cause lengthy disruption to supplies.

The headline rate on standard petrol and diesel is 52.95 pence per litre, which has been frozen since 2011-12, including a "temporary 5p cut" introduced in 2022-23 which is supposed to be being withdrawn later this year.  Fuel Duty - £24 billion - £835 per household

For the financial year April 2024 to March 2025, the UK rail industry's income from passenger fares was £11.5 billion (and £12.6 including other sources). Government funding for the UK rail industry in 2024-25 was £11.9 billion, supporting nearly half of the total £25.9 billion in industry income.

52.95 pence in 2011 would be equivalent to 77.89 pence today.  If that 25p fuel tax that has been foregone were to have been taken this year and invested in the railways, it would amount to an extra investment / income of around £12 billion. So fares could be halved and £6 billion invested too.

Of course, it gets more complicated; reduced fares and increased investment (if it's done right) will rocket passenger numbers, and passenger numbers will grow; being mass transit, the cost per passenger reduces and you have whole new balance of sustainable public transport becoming the norm.  UK electification rates more in line with other counties in Europe?   People moving even more rapidly away from fossils fuels?  `Inflation stoked by the tax increase and political unrest from those reliant on private cars?

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373217/31731/4]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 15:16, 10th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Devon: https://www.traveldevon.info/bus/national-bus-pass/using-your-bus-pass/

Cards valid from 09:30 > End Of Service Weekdays

A mildly amusing, but somewhat childish, episode locally was the realisation by Devon County Council that until late last year the weekday card validity was set as after 09:30. However cards were still being accepted by Stagecoach drivers on the 09:30 departure of our local I service. Mr Jobsworth obviously spotted this and Stagecoach were issued with a 'cease & desist' instruction, which was given to all relevant drivers, which stated that any 09:30 card scans would not be reimbursed by DCC. For a while intending pax were directed to the next stop where the service departed at 09:31! Sanity has now been restored.

Our machines were set to accept them from 0927, so we could load for a 0930 departure ready to depart on time.

Plymouth city council issue passes with a + symbol on top right to holders who are over 80 or visually impaired. These passes are valid at all times.

Trespasser at Gloucester causes major rail delays for Cheltenham racegoers
In "Swindon to Gloucester / Cheltenham" [373216/31733/38]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:27, 10th March 2026
 
From the BBC:

Trespasser causes major rail delays for racegoers


Cheltenham Festival is taking place from 10 to 13 March this year

Thousands of Cheltenham Festival racegoers are facing delays to trains because of a trespasser on the line in Gloucestershire.

Services through Gloucester are being cancelled or delayed after a man was detained in the area.

All lines have since reopened but disruption is expected to last until 13:00 GMT.

British Transport Police said officers were called at about 09:30 and that the trespasser was being assessed by paramedics.

Many services have been affected, including between Gloucester and Birmingham, Cardiff and Nottingham, Bristol and Worcester, and London Paddington and Cheltenham Spa.

The disruption is also affecting services from Cardiff to Cheltenham Spa, and between Weymouth, Warminster, Westbury and Gloucester.

Network Rail said: "As service recovers, trains running through Gloucester may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised."

The event is running from 10 to 13 March this year.


Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373215/31731/4]
Posted by eightonedee at 14:06, 10th March 2026
 
In West Berks, it's 9-30 am to 11 pm!

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [373214/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 12:50, 10th March 2026
 
Wouldn't the re-routed trains appear on the station departure boards in some form?

Very likely - though I'm not when. Not there to observe

12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 12:59

12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 12:59 is being delayed at Westbury.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.

Something to do with the 11:56 arrival at Westbury from Paddington not getting there until 12:31, per chance?   The 12:17 to Swindon left at 12:34.   Thank you [whoever] for not cancelling the round trip to Swindon as has happened too often in the past with this train.

Re: Storing petrol
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373212/22213/51]
Posted by Mark A at 11:42, 10th March 2026
 
Heading off-topic: the other day, a road closure to enable services to be taken to a new-build. The road has a one in seven slope, and in the transverse trench, existing runs of various things - a c. 6" plastic pipe, somewhat enwrapped, and a cheerful c.18" jointed ceramic pipe, still not at great depth, both inclined to match the road's 1/7 gradient, the joint that was visible being in less than perfect condition with at one point a triangular piece as big as a thumb allowing access to the inside - though on the upper side of the pipe - and the joints being more or less aligned.

The workforce beavering away methodically on their new stuff.

On the third time of passing I plucked up the courage to ask them what was what and they immediately switched to cheerful conversation mode: "The grey pipe, that's your gas - the ceramic pipe, that's the fouls." (I think they called it that...). When I expressed surprise at the, er, poor condition of the foul sewer's joint, they said "Yup, everything underground in Bath is broken - that one's actually quite good!"

It was then time to reflect on the widespread existence of jointed ceramic pipes beneath the streets of the UK, of indeterminate age and often at no great depth, and now coping with increased loading and ground movement brought about by present day road traffic.

Mark

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [373211/28982/26]
Posted by plymothian at 09:52, 10th March 2026
 
There is intention to add another 175 in to passenger service from 16 March to run Plymouth - Penzance - Exeter St Davids - Penzance - Plymouth as there are now 6 serviceable sets that can run in passenger service.  However 175006 broke down again today with a bogie fault and 5Z13 training run was cancelled as a result.

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373210/31731/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:17, 10th March 2026
 
Oxfordshire: - different again

Within Oxfordshire you can use your pass during the following times:

    Monday to Friday 9am - 12am (midnight)
    Saturday - anytime
    Sunday - anytime
    Bank Holidays - anytime

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373209/31731/4]
Posted by Clan Line at 09:12, 10th March 2026
 

In Wiltshire, I believe it's from 09:00 to last timetabled service on Mondays to Fridays, and any time on Saturday and Sunday.

https://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/article/4986/Concessionary-fare-pre-9am-exemptions-effective-from-April-2025

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373208/31731/4]
Posted by GBM at 09:06, 10th March 2026
 
Cornwall.
https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/transport-parking-and-streets/public-transport/national-concession-bus-pass/
When and where can I use my bus pass?
Your bus pass allows you to travel free of charge at anytime on the majority of services within Cornwall, Truro Park and Ride is excluded from the scheme.

You can use your bus pass to travel on bus services outside of Cornwall between 0930 and 2300 Monday to Friday.  You can also use it anytime at weekends and Bank Holidays (not Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales or the Isle of Man.) Outside of these times you must pay the standard fare for your journey.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [373207/31359/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:02, 10th March 2026
 
Wouldn't the re-routed trains appear on the station departure boards in some form?

Re: Plus bus plus Rover
In "Fare's Fair" [373206/13019/4]
Posted by grahame at 08:45, 10th March 2026
 
I'd be inclined to go with the retailer for the initial financial claim, but also raise it with TfW from POV of fixing the underlying issue – either the published information is wrong or the bus operator wasn't applying the rules correctly.

I dropped a note to my supplier - tickets bought from GWR at Bath Sps Station for train and bus journeys to Ruthin, which were not honoured on the Chester to Ruthin bus ... note dropped at 07:31 on 16th February

Reply from GWR passing the query on (even though they were the suppier of the goods?), 24th February at 14:48
Definitive reply from TfW on 5th March AT 14:16

I sent a courtesy copy of my email to GWR to and they responded with a deinitive answer 15 minutes later -  at 07:46 on 16th February

15 minutes for the independent operator (who was not the person I purchased from and 16 days later through the responsible channels / big companies. Why is it that there's what at times to be such a systemic delay in answering questions in organisations that should have the resources to handle the enquiries they get efficiently?

Matter resolved in that the T8 team / operators and their drivers have now been briefed, I understand. But I have no confidence that there aren't other bus services / operator in Wales who are supposed to accept the "Explore" tickets - which are not cheap and sold to occasional leisure travellers who will turn away passengers with valid tickets.

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373205/31731/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 08:39, 10th March 2026
Already liked by rogerw
 
North Somerset (and adjoining counties):

Journeys starting in North Somerset, Bristol, Bath and North East Somerset and South Gloucestershire:
 - disabled passes can be used at any time every day of the week, thanks to funding from the Bus Service Improvement Programme
 - older person's passes can be used off-peak from Monday to Friday (before 4am and after 9am) and any time on Saturday, Sunday and public holidays

Local buses starting anywhere else in England:
 - Monday to Friday, 9.30am to 11pm (some areas may allow passes to be used at other times)
 - anytime Saturday, Sunday or public holidays

Re: Bus fares - when is a senior pass accepted in YOUR county?
In "Fare's Fair" [373204/31731/4]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:14, 10th March 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A
 
Devon: https://www.traveldevon.info/bus/national-bus-pass/using-your-bus-pass/

Cards valid from 09:30 > End Of Service Weekdays

A mildly amusing, but somewhat childish, episode locally was the realisation by Devon County Council that until late last year the weekday card validity was set as after 09:30. However cards were still being accepted by Stagecoach drivers on the 09:30 departure of our local I service. Mr Jobsworth obviously spotted this and Stagecoach were issued with a 'cease & desist' instruction, which was given to all relevant drivers, which stated that any 09:30 card scans would not be reimbursed by DCC. For a while intending pax were directed to the next stop where the service departed at 09:31! Sanity has now been restored.

 
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