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Where was PhilW - 17/09/25
In "The Lighter Side" [365713/30751/30]
Posted by PhilWakely at 18:40, 17th September 2025
 
Way back in the Summer of 2018, I purchased an 8 in 15 Freedom of Scotland rover and managed to travel over most of the rural (and not so rural) lines. I am currently north of the border again, attempting to travel over the rest (bar some of the Glasgow suburban lines)

Whilst enjoying the wonders of Wifi for the moment, I thought I'd post this now. I may not be so lucky over the next few days!

So, where was I today (17/09/25)?

Oh, by the way JayMac is barred from this as he and I have been messaging each other during the day!


Re: More and more driving tests are on automatic cars.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365710/30746/5]
Posted by anthony215 at 17:41, 17th September 2025
 
I still prefer manuals especially if poor weather such as snow

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [365709/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 17:33, 17th September 2025
 
allowing me to catch the 17:15 271 bus from Bath to Melksham instead of the cancelled Chippenham-Melksham train. The infrequency of said trains fortunately means that the refund is sufficient to cover the bus cost
2nd 271 of the day, although the first one was due to a senior moment - was one mile into the 1.6 to Melksham station when I realised I'd left my laptop at home. After retracing my steps, rather than repeating the initial mile I caught the bus to Bath - the nearest bus stop is only about 100m from my front door. It's a useful option to have as a backup.

This evening's refund of just over £5 will nearly cover my morning lapse as well.

Re: WWRUG, 17th September 2025, Trowbridge. All welcome
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [365708/30697/34]
Posted by grahame at 17:22, 17th September 2025
 
All welcome.   The Bethesda Church Hall is less than 100 yards from Trowbridge Station, and the meeting timed so that you can arrive and leave by train.

Or you could if the train hadn't broken down!!

The train that runs between Westbury and Chippenham has broken down.
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What are we doing about it?
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We are unable to source a replacment therefore we will opperate rail replacement transport between Chippenham and Wesbury in both directions.
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What are my options?
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Option 1: Use the National Rail Enquiries real-time journey planner to check if a journey by rail is currently possible. If you are at a station please check the live departure boards or speak to a member of station staff.
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Option 3: Replacement transport has been arranged to run between Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge and Westbury in both directions, for the rest of the service.
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Let us help you:
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If you're already travelling when disruption happens, we'll get you where you need to go. If you miss the last train of the day due to cancellation or because another train was delayed, we wont leave you stranded.

OK - down on the bus at 18:03 from Melksham (x34) and will try the rail replacement service to get me home

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [365707/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 17:21, 17th September 2025
 
I will be getting the 18:03 bus from Melksham Market Place to the West Wilts meeting ... see how I do on return for the 21:22.
I legged it to BTM so I could catch the 16:47 Warminster service instead of my normal 17:00 Paddington, allowing me to catch the 17:15 271 bus from Bath to Melksham instead of the cancelled Chippenham-Melksham train. The infrequency of said trains fortunately means that the refund is sufficient to cover the bus cost

Re: More and more driving tests are on automatic cars.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365706/30746/5]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 17:19, 17th September 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
... Illogical (as Sock would say)
Is that some Vulcan footwear? 

Re: WWRUG, 17th September 2025, Trowbridge. All welcome
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [365705/30697/34]
Posted by grahame at 17:14, 17th September 2025
 
All welcome.   The Bethesda Church Hall is less than 100 yards from Trowbridge Station, and the meeting timed so that you can arrive and leave by train.

Or you could if the train hadn't broken down!!

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [365704/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:13, 17th September 2025
 
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [365703/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:11, 17th September 2025
 
I will be getting the 18:03 bus from Melksham Market Place to the West Wilts meeting ... see how I do on return for the 21:22.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [365702/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:06, 17th September 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Swindon and Westbury via Melksham

Due to a broken down train all lines are disrupted. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Train services between Swindon and Westbury via Melksham have been cancelled.

Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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The train that runs between Westbury and Chippenham has broken down.
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What are we doing about it?
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We are unable to source a replacment therefore we will opperate rail replacement transport between Chippenham and Wesbury in both directions.

Re: Weston-super-Mare - Birnbeck Pier restoration: ongoing developments and discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [365701/30411/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:59, 17th September 2025
 
More detail, from the BBC:

The decades-long fight to save a Victorian pier from the sea


Birnbeck Pier, in Weston-super-Mare, has become increasingly rundown in recent years

On Tuesday, councillors looked set to cancel the restoration of a crumbling Victorian pier when news broke of some 11th hour funding from the National Lottery Heritage fund.

More than 30 years after it closed, Birnbeck Pier had been saved.

In its heyday, the 19th Century pier hosted funfair rides and drew crowds of visitors who stopped off in Weston-super-Mare on pleasure steamers.

It opened in 1867 and was visited by millions before safety concerns saw the pier closed in 1994. Since then it has been battered by storms, partially collapsed into the sea, and become too unsafe for the former resident RNLI lifeboat crews to use.

After multiple failed attempts, the latest funding announcement means Birnbeck's restoration is set to go ahead - but it has been a long journey to get to this moment.


Birnbeck Pier has been closed since 1994 and fallen into a state of disrepair

Birnbeck - also known locally as 'The Old Pier' - is the only pier in the UK to link to an island, connecting Weston-super-Mare with a small, rocky piece of land known as Birnbeck Island.

The pier was a popular attraction until it was taken over during World War Two and used for weapons testing. When it reopened after the war, visitor numbers declined and the last steamer visited Birnbeck Island in 1979.

Plans to restore the pier stretch back to 2006, when it was purchased by Urban Splash which launched a competition to redevelop it a year later. But by 2011, the company said it could no longer afford the restoration and shelved the plans.

At the time, the Friends of the Old Pier society called it "a complete and utter disaster", as no work had taken place.

Two years later, the RNLI closed its base on Birnbeck Island after 131 years, saying it had become too dangerous for their crews to get out there using the temporary walkway it had installed.


Birnbeck Island was only visited by RNLI crews after the pier closed to the public in 1994

In October 2014, the pier was sold to CNM Estates, with owner Wahid Samady publishing plans for a hotel, homes and shops on Birnbeck Island.

Mr Samady told the BBC in January 2015 that repairs to the pier had to be linked to profitable commercial developments of the island. But local councillors were sceptical of the plans, with the then-deputy leader of the council Elfan Ap Rees saying at the time: "Up to now, he hasn't come up with a viable solution for the local residents."

By 2015, the Victorian Society featured the pier in its top 10 most endangered buildings in England and Wales.

Comedian John Cleese, who was born in Weston-super-Mare, and EastEnders actor Timothy West backed a campaign to save it, but winter storms in December 2015 severely damaged the pier's landing jetty, which partially collapsed into the sea. The council later gave permission for the deck and legs to be removed as it was too damaged to repair.

In September 2019, the council served CNM Estates with a repair notice, saying it had "exhausted all other options" trying to get the company to commit to fixing the pier.

By January 2020, the council said no work had been carried out and it was considering buying the pier, with the view of having the RNLI move back to the island.

In February, the council voted to start a Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) to take it over, with the then-leader Don Davies offering CNM Estates a token £1 to avoid the CPO purchase. "I'll deliver the £1 coin personally if it makes it any quicker," said Mr Davies.

The order was approved in July 2020. CNM Estates applied for planning permission to refurbish the island in August, but nothing came of the plans.

Meanwhile, CNM Estates was involved in a High Court dispute, and a High Court judge ordered Mr Samady to find a new owner by January 2021.

The pier was sold to Birnbeck Holdings Ltd, a new company led by Mr Samady, which pledged to begin repair works "without the hindrance of historical litigation".

After a court appeal against the CPO was withdrawn in November 2022, Birnbeck Holdings sold the pier to the council in July 2023, a month before the hearing on the CPO was due to take place. The council had secured more than £20m for the project from the National Lottery Heritage Fund, the government, the National Heritage Memorial Fund and Historic England.

In September 2024, the RNLI published plans to return to Birnbeck Island, and offered £5m towards the project. However, in June 2025, the lifeboat charity pulled out of the scheme. The RNLI's chief executive Peter Sparkes said the pier would present an "unacceptable ongoing financial risk" for the charity.

The council faced having to plug the shortfall itself, and a report earlier this month recommended the restoration plans should be scrapped, as the amount needed was too much for it to afford. But just as councillors were about to vote to abandon the restoration, the National Lottery stepped up to provide the money.

Councillor Mike Bell, leader of the council, said: "We had a setback earlier in the summer, but we promised to work right up until the eleventh hour to try to find a solution, and I am delighted our efforts have paid off. We are incredibly grateful to The National Lottery Heritage Fund. Put simply, this lifeline has saved the day. Without it, the future of Birnbeck Pier would have been in real danger."


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [365700/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 16:52, 17th September 2025
 
17:35 Swindon - Westbury cancelled because of a broken down train
Again fault on train today.

Re: Single bought, return journey made.
In "Fare's Fair" [365699/30748/4]
Posted by matth1j at 15:00, 17th September 2025
 
Where would you draw the line though when applying discretion for a single instead of a return?
More than 5p

Re: More and more driving tests are on automatic cars.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365697/30746/5]
Posted by John D at 14:09, 17th September 2025
 
Just looked up all the cars for sale on auto-trader for current year 2025 which is a sample size of 49,840

Turns out  85.5% are auto, just 14.5% are manual

Rather suggests manual cars are a dying breed.

Having lived in London Suburbs until 5 years ago, we have had autos since 2001, 24 years ago.   Nowadays my car has auto lights, auto wipers, auto climate control etc, so why would anyone select all these automatic features then specify a manual gearbox.  Illogical (as Sock would say)

Re: Spreading wings for a few days
In "Introductions and chat" [365693/30134/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:46, 17th September 2025
 
Returning to Plymouth for a moment, if I may?

God's own City!

Hope you enjoyed Plymouth!

My home city, too.

From grahame's pictures: 6. Saltram House.  A quite large National Trust property, absolutely beautiful.  I used to live fairly near it, so our family went for many walks around the grounds and gardens.

As children, we were shown the 'secret door' in the Library by our guide: I could probably show you the hidden release catch now, if I were there, such was the fun we had finding it. 

Chris from Plymouth. 

My student study city for three and a bit years (or was it four!).
Where I joined my second ship.

More about Saltram House, from the BBC:

Student's photo project marks Austen's anniversary


Jessica-Ella Gilbert said she had a sentimental connection to Saltram House, a Grade I Listed estate owned by the National Trust

An 18-year-old from Devon has created a photographic biography of Jane Austen's novels and film adaptations to mark the 250th anniversary of the author's birth.

Jessica-Ella Gilbert, from Plymouth, said she wanted to combine her sentimental connection to Saltram House with her love for the Austen's work for her final college project.

As a child she was often taken on family visits to the National Trust property and going inside the house was a treat.

(BBC article continues)


Re: More and more driving tests are on automatic cars.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365692/30746/5]
Posted by CyclingSid at 12:26, 17th September 2025
 
It is some change, when I passed my test 60+ years ago our car only had synchromesh on 3rd to 4th and you had to double de-clutch going down the gears. Either that or slow down much more to get them to mesh without too much of a crunch!

I remember double de-clutching on crash gear boxes of army lorries. Became a habit that I ended up doing on what ever I drove. Useful if you wanted to change from high to low ratio on the move in a Series II/III Land-Rover.

Re: More and more driving tests are on automatic cars.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [365690/30746/5]
Posted by bradshaw at 12:02, 17th September 2025
 
We converted to automatic when we bought a CVT Yaris a couple of years ago. I would not now go back to the manual Yaris we had for 10 years. There is much better control, especially at low speeds. Speed adjustment is much easier and the knowledge that you are unlikely to stall when following people uphill on narrow lanes.

It is some change, when I passed my test 60+ years ago our car only had synchromesh on 3rd to 4th and you had to double de-clutch going down the gears. Either that or slow down much more to get them to mesh without too much of a crunch!

Re: Single bought, return journey made.
In "Fare's Fair" [365689/30748/4]
Posted by Mark A at 11:48, 17th September 2025
 
Social Media feedback is split between "she should have got it right - no excuse" and "oh - for goodness sake ...".  And we aren't told the story from the staff's viewpoint.

Social media feedback: an opportunity to express schadenfreude and worse? Making a portion of feedback from that source irrelevant to whatever situation's provoked it.

Mark

Re: Single bought, return journey made.
In "Fare's Fair" [365687/30748/4]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 11:32, 17th September 2025
 
Where would you draw the line though when applying discretion for a single instead of a return?  10p difference, 50p, £1?  The assumption does also seem to be that the gateline staff should have known the passenger's full circumstances without so far as I can tell being on daily first name terms with her.

Going by the quoted 5p price difference between single and return she's travelling off-peak, and must have a Railcard.  Based on the mention of paying over £1,000 a year for return journeys then possibly not quite often enough for even a flexi-season to be cost-effective as there's no Railcard discount for seasons, but it must be quite borderline.  I don't use Trainline, but the most common complaint for mistakes in online ticket buying seems to be that the app defaulted to what was bought last time, which presumably wouldn't be the case here.  A bit odd that it would randomly come up with a single if a return was requested.  I suspect there's another side to this.

Re: Weston-super-Mare - Birnbeck Pier restoration: ongoing developments and discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [365684/30411/31]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:59, 17th September 2025
 
Wonder if the RNLI will move eventually too?

 
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