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Re: Long Term Rail Strategy (LRTS)
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [380188/32507/40]
Posted by Electric train at 10:35, 29th September 2026
 

Quite a lot of ideas and intentions (but no actual detail) of way forward

That is true but it is a strategy and not a plan.  I would venture that it is more likely to be delivered than any of the previous rail strategies of the last 30 years.

The method of funding changes for Network Rail Control Period (CP) 7 is the last one, it changes to "Funding Period (FP) 1)" for GBR this to reflect a whole industry approach.


Re: Long Term Rail Strategy (LRTS)
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [380187/32507/40]
Posted by grahame at 09:58, 29th September 2026
 
I have mirrored that (here) for easy access into the far future, and so that it comes up in our searches - and categorised it as a "key" document - one of just 64 such documents in the archive of 2400.

It's 26 pages - not read and absorbed it all yet.  In the earlier part I note

What passengers want is changing.  Reliability remains fundamental but passengers increasingly expect straightforward and independent boarding, clear information, digital connectivity, personal security and facilities suited to a wider range of journeys. The railway must serve an ageing and diverse population, support leisure and tourism as well as commuting and business travel and make train travel attractive enough to grow revenue and reduce reliance on subsidy.

Reliability not frequency, nor size of the network, I note.  Good to see "facilities" noted and whilst this is a train related paper, that overlaps a little onto the stations.  The whole is qualitative rather than quantitative - as I say, nothing on frequency, and not on length of trains either.  Standard 30 minute frequency, 5 car train, Swindon to Weymouth anyone, or just 2 through trains a week, 3 in summer, of 2 or 3 carriages each as it is at present?   That improvement in frequency and capacity would sure as heck make it attractive to increase revenue.   And it might be attractive enough to allow fares to rise. Even with higher fares, I doubt the extra cost would reduce subsidy needs.


 

Re: Dawlish - permanent resilience work - ongoing discussions
In "London to the West" [380186/22771/12]
Posted by Mark A at 09:50, 29th September 2026
 
Oh, hang on, I think I can see them.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/rPqSy38t8agUP6CT7

Re: Dawlish - permanent resilience work - ongoing discussions
In "London to the West" [380185/22771/12]
Posted by Mark A at 09:47, 29th September 2026
 
**snip**
As for salt water/corrosion effects in the problematic cl 175 units, well we have yet to find out , but know two years stood and forgotten uncared for at Holyhead in the Salt / wet air did their electrics no good, a well known fact to all but their owning ROSCo Angel and DfT ‘remotes’.


They stored them where?!!!

Re: High Streets - thriving, changing, dying in 2026?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380184/32553/31]
Posted by Mark A at 09:46, 29th September 2026
 
Ah, Nailsea has a post office. Good. Bath: your move.

Re: Dawlish - permanent resilience work - ongoing discussions
In "London to the West" [380183/22771/12]
Posted by AMLAG at 09:45, 29th September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 

To be quite expected due Spring High Tides (4 mtres) this evening and Strong SE winds of more than 18 mph forecast  so undesirable for the newer trains ( IETs ) to stop between D.Warren and Teignmouth and passrs thus travel in the local and a bit more reliable trains.
As for salt water/corrosion effects in the problematic cl 175 units, well we have yet to find out , but know two years stood and forgotten uncared for at Holyhead in the Salt / wet air did their electrics no good, a well known fact to all but their owning ROSCo Angel and DfT ‘remotes’.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [380182/31371/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 09:16, 29th September 2026
 
07:13 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 09:43 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

and the following service:

Facilities on the 08:18 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:26.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. Service full and standing from Kingham. First class is declassified. There are no reservations on this service.

Re: TransWilts - the way forward
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [380181/17488/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:47, 29th September 2026
 
10 years ago today - how time flies!

The nature of progress is that there are big increments and then consolidations.   10 years ago today, TransWilts trains through the day switched from being a trial service to being a formal ongoing part of the franchise, and from being a local community group that had declared itself to be a community rail partnership to a much more formal Community Rail Partnership.   And we celebrated loading hundreds of people onto an HST every weekend through the summer to Weymouth - not really to promote Weymouth, but rather to promote the availability of the service.

We have seen incremental changes since - the platform rebuilt and extended, longer trains, a handful of additional trains that now give us a thin service "all day every day". But we are still very much "work in progress".  On the train service side, we need more trains and more reliable trains.  On the station access side, we need it to be much more friendly and customer aware - better walking routes, busses that connect, and a friendly and helpful welcome to customers.

Re: Long Term Rail Strategy (LRTS)
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [380180/32507/40]
Posted by John D at 08:31, 29th September 2026
 
The rolling stock and Infrastructure strategy is now published

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6aba4b47997a4b2950ccefc0/gbr-rolling-stock-infrastructure-strategy.pdf

A couple of snippets

GBR will use detailed route-level analysis to determine the right level of electrification to support the removal of diesel traction. This will generally require around a quarter of the currently non-electrified railway to be energised

GBR’s future train orders will be structured around a small number of defined ‘fleet families’ specified to align to the main passenger markets
Which it then describes each of Intercity, Regional Express, Commuter, Metro with comfort, seating, standing, other facilities.   Interestingly it suggests some Metro fleet will be used on seasonal holiday routes to provide extra luggage and cycle space

Quite a lot of ideas and intentions (but no actual detail) of way forward

Re: Work begins to replace Havant station's ageing footbridge
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [380179/32558/20]
Posted by grahame at 07:37, 29th September 2026
 
I think the chances of over head wires ever being installed on the that south coast line is very remote.

"Ever" is a very dangerous word.  I am reminded that the original electrification on the London and South Coast Railway was overhead, and that was replaced by third rail around 100 years ago.  Third rail around the Newcastle area was replaced by overhead ...

Re: Ideas for a day out?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380178/32559/31]
Posted by grahame at 07:30, 29th September 2026
 
Do you have any suggestions for a day out, meeting the following criteria?
  • A day trip by rail from Western Wiltshire
  • Enough at the destination to occupy about five hours
  • Decent cafe (doesn't have to be Michelin...)
  • Destination doesn't look post-apocalyptic, which includes places that have become car-dominated

These days, private cars dominate so many places, but there are many excelllent sections within towns and cities which aren't overrun ...

Places I have enjoyed by train from West Wiltshire include:
Bath
Bristol
Frome
Oxford
Salisbury
Stroud
Gloucester
Cardiff - Central and Bay
Barry Island
Penarth
Salisbury
Hamble
London
Marlow
Dawlish
Exmouth
Poole
Weymouth
Chepstow
Worcester
Malvern
Bournemouth
Southsea
Tiverton (by bus from Parkway and canal walk back)
Isle of Wight (if you allow a ferry and have a deep pocket!)

And places that I really should take a (further) look at might include:
Exeter
Reading
Cheltenham Spa
Chichester and onwards toward Brighton
Sherbourne, Gillingham, Axminster, Honiton
Didcot, for rail centre

Less that 5 hours (for me), but fun:
Yetminster
Avoncliff
Severn Beach
Lymington
Brockenhurst
Bicester Village
Oldfield Park (to Midford)
Yatton
Burnham (for Highbridge)

Overrun with cars IMHO from the station might include Dorchester, Weston-super-mare and Newport

Not listing post-apololyptic places, nor "home" places within West Wiltshire.  Many more options if you allow a relatively short bus ride from a railhead.  And others if you are looking for countryside / canal walk

Re: Dawlish - permanent resilience work - ongoing discussions
In "London to the West" [380177/22771/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:14, 29th September 2026
 
This has got to be a mistake, surely?

17:36 London Paddington to Plymouth due 21:25
17:36 London Paddington to Plymouth due 21:25 will no longer call at Dawlish Warren, Dawlish and Teignmouth.
This is due to forecasted severe weather.

17:50 Penzance to London Paddington due 23:59
17:50 Penzance to London Paddington due 23:59 will no longer call at Teignmouth and Dawlish.
This is due to forecasted severe weather.

Re: Interral pass sale - buy until the end of September for use by August 2027
In "Fare's Fair" [380176/32535/4]
Posted by grahame at 06:43, 29th September 2026
 
Lisa and I will be working out over the weekend what to buy in the sale - very unlikely to be "nothing"; now is the time to look forward into 2027.   We have some plans already, and I would anticipate sticking with the formula of the last couple of years with a variety of together and just-graham trips, with the former being far more town and location bases and the latter taking on more adventurous / exotic rail network stuff.

I am not a great one for family / friend company in large swathes, but rather it works really well in shorter segments and I would be happy to link up with members for a day or few, especially to help newcomers to this sort of educational / learning holiday set their feet under the table of these adventures. 

Well - we now owe the credit card company rather more than was planned for the end of September, rather than buying in the Interrail Black Friday sale as we have done over the past three years. When and where we will be going remains roughly thought about for the next month or two and pretty vague for 2027.

Re: Nationalisation last time - and the following 20 years
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [380175/32554/40]
Posted by Electric train at 06:38, 29th September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
The National Railway Museum in their Podcast episode 7Our "Most Controversial Episode Yet? Beeching Cuts" the head creator and one of the other museum creators discuss the lead up to the Beeching, Marples era and also touch on the 1982 Serpell report. 



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3biVm1ju9x8

Re: Ideas for a day out?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380174/32559/31]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:12, 29th September 2026
 
Do you have any suggestions for a day out, meeting the following criteria?
  • Destination doesn't look post-apocalyptic



That's Swindon off the list then!

Re: Ideas for a day out?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380173/32559/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 02:49, 29th September 2026
 
Those restrictions seem to exclude Weymouth. 

Nailsea? (That includes Tyntesfield, a rambling National Trust property, just to the north).

Re: Work begins to replace Havant station's ageing footbridge
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [380172/32558/20]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 02:41, 29th September 2026
 
With thanks for your post here, infoman, I rather think that is a possible issue you need to take up with Hampshire County Council and Network Rail, who are actually doing the work.

Re: Work begins to replace Havant station's ageing footbridge
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [380171/32558/20]
Posted by infoman at 02:06, 29th September 2026
 
If i have got this wrong please correct me.

I was under the impression that all new structures(bridges?) that they have to clearance for the possibility over head wires installation.
Although the images are not very clear if their is enough room for the over head wires

I think the chances of over head wires ever being installed on the that south coast line is very remote.

Ideas for a day out?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380170/32559/31]
Posted by Trowres at 00:36, 29th September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Do you have any suggestions for a day out, meeting the following criteria?
  • A day trip by rail from Western Wiltshire
  • Enough at the destination to occupy about five hours
  • Decent cafe (doesn't have to be Michelin...)
  • Destination doesn't look post-apocalyptic, which includes places that have become car-dominated


Re: High Streets - thriving, changing, dying in 2026?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380169/32553/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:39, 28th September 2026
 
My view from Nailsea (a town of over 20,000 residents):  I'll try to keep this brief, as most of the points have been covered in posts above.

Nailsea High Street is a shadow of what it used to be, when we first moved here, over thirty years ago.  Long gone are the independent family butchers, bakers, greengrocers.

Similarly, long gone are the 'big four' Banks, and Nationwide Building Society, each closing down over the years.  We now have a 'banking hub', sponsored by the Post Office - but that's only available for pre-booked face-to-face appointments with a representative from a bank, not for any financial transactions.

Many of the previous independent shops in the High Street are now Turkish barbers (I've lost count of them), Chinese takeaways (there are now two, after a Chinese restaurant directly across the street from one of them closed), two nail bars and a myriad of charity shops.

Car parking is now subject to a charge, which the feedback I get from my occasional chats with a couple of businesses has had a detrimental effect on their trade.

A rank of what used to be shops towards the upper end of the High Street is being extensively refurbished / rebuilt: I haven't been able to ascertain, but I think they're going to become residential.

To end on a more positive note: we do have some successful and clearly busy shops on our High Street: Waitrose at one end, Tesco at the other, a Boots the Chemist (and Opticians) and a Post Office.

Chris from Nailsea. 

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [380168/31163/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:52, 28th September 2026
 
You certainly don't want a large fire in the Thatch ... 

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [380167/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:44, 28th September 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury

Due to a fire next to the track at Thatcham all lines are closed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Train services between Reading and Newbury will be cancelled.

Customer Advice
We've been informed of a large fire close to the railway in the Thatcham area. As a result it has been necessary to close the railway, and no trains will be going through the area for the rest of the day.

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380166/32544/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:39, 28th September 2026
 
Traffic seems to be slower.

Traffic is indeed getting slower - due at least partly to the ever increasing number of 20mph speed limits being introduced - with speed cameras to enforce them, sometimes.  I experienced the delay effects of that, in my grocery delivery van driving days.

CfN.

Re: Why are buses getting slower?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380165/32544/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 21:24, 28th September 2026
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A couple of Other things that slow buses down.
Drivers are told to wait for people to be sat down before moving off. No driving off as soon as the money is paid. Adds maybe 15 seconds per stop.
Traffic seems to be slower.
Where I am half the pensioners want to have a gossip on their way off, I know a lot of detail about lots of pensioners. I hear who’s funeral they’re off to next week, what they’ve had for dinner, whether they like or dislike the government. And many other topics in between.

Work begins to replace Havant station's ageing footbridge
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [380164/32558/20]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:14, 28th September 2026
 
From the BBC:

Work begins to replace Havant station's ageing footbridge


The council said the new bridge would be twice as wide as the existing structure - Image © Hampshire County Council

Multi-million pound work to replace a railway station's ageing footbridge has begun, with disruption expected to last for 12 months.

The 79-year-old footbridge at Havant station in Hampshire is located between Elmleigh Road and North Street.

Hampshire County Council said the £12.8m scheme would "provide a safer, more accessible and attractive crossing".

A signed diversion route will provide access across the railway line in both directions but add about 10 minutes to journeys on foot, the council said.


The bridge was built in 1947 and spans Havant station - Image © Hampshire County Council

The council said the new bridge would be twice as wide as the existing structure and more accessible for cyclists, wheelchair, and mobility scooter users, as well as people travelling with prams or pushchairs.

Kirsty North, Hampshire County Council's deputy leader and cabinet lead for universal services, said: "This is a complex project, with work taking place over a live railway line, and we recognise that the closure of the existing bridge and the introduction of diversion routes will cause some disruption."

Havant station is the fourth busiest in Hampshire, serving more than 1.8 million passengers a year, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.  A pedestrian survey carried out by the county council recorded more than 1,650 people using the station daily.

The council said the cost of the project has been funded using a combination of money from the Department for Transport, developer contributions and Havant Borough Council's community infrastructure levy fund.


Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [380163/10737/21]
Posted by Mark A at 19:45, 28th September 2026
 
I've managed to pull a muscle in my back: a walk helps settle it, and one of the best opportunities for a variety of walks is... Bristol Temple Meads Station, as the 'No connection to impose less than a 400 metre walk' has now swept the board and while that's less than good when it comes to travel, its fine if someone needs the imposition of a leg stretch.

Heading home, the 16:30 just happened to make a five minute connection into the 16:45 Bath to Stroud bus which took me up the hill, so, from the atrium of the University's new building beside Temple Meads to home in just about half an hour. Why bus companies sever train and bus services - and actually, sever bus services from other bus services, I'll never understand.

Mark

Re: High Streets - thriving, changing, dying in 2026?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380162/32553/31]
Posted by REVUpminster at 19:12, 28th September 2026
 
Al Murray call Spoons, chicken shop, vape shop; the chlamydia triangle when he was at The Princess Theatre Torquay recently.

There are six theatres in Torbay that do attract people from far and wide but the shops are generally closed at that time.

Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep)
In "Thames Valley Branches" [380161/32546/13]
Posted by eXPassenger at 17:51, 28th September 2026
 
This has been the subject of a long discussion on RailUK.  The points made include:
  • It is owned by HAL who make a profit from it so why would they want to close it?

Hmmm - since the drop in passenger numbers? Show me the evidence.

A posting yesterday from a respected GWR individual stated that it was less profitable than in the past but not loss making.  There has been a small rise in passengers.

Re: High Streets - thriving, changing, dying in 2026?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380160/32553/31]
Posted by bobm at 17:45, 28th September 2026
 
In Swindon town centre with Sainsburys and Marks & Spencer closing there is just a smallish Tesco supermarket and an Iceland with its limited range for food shopping.  On the outskirts of the pedestrianised area there are some smaller supermarkets catering for some local communities although a few have been closed or lost their alcohol licences for various transgressions.

TG Jones and the Post Office within closed earlier this month.  There is a large Boots, a Primark and a couple of discount stores.

With bank branches up the hill in Old Town closing, the town centre has retained its full range of banks and most building societies.

Of the two Wetherspoons pubs, one is reported as being up for sale.

There are three Greggs, various coffee shops, barbers of many persuasions, vape and charity shops - although some of the latter have closed.

Then of course there is a new bus interchange to bring throngs of people to them.


Re: UK Diesel Price hits All-Time high
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380159/32557/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:40, 28th September 2026
 
With all contracts being nationalised, those hedged deliveries will have finished. No TOC will have the ability to hedge for the Treasury.

 
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