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Re: Where was PhilW on 22/11/24
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:29, 23rd November 2024
 
Charring Cross

Re: Pilning Low Level to Severn Beach - closed 23rd November 1964
Posted by grahame at 08:49, 23rd November 2024
 
60 years ago today - a closure that split a network into disjoint individual lines.    Imagine today with staff for the Severnside businesses at Avonmouth, Stan Drew's Road and Severn Beach who live in South Wales changing at Pilning on their way into work, and passengers from Severnside changing there for the frequent electric service into London.

Re: Where was PhilW on 22/11/24
Posted by PhilWakely at 08:49, 23rd November 2024
 
After 11 hours and nearly 60 views.... Hugh Jass's theatre break needs a slightly easier clue (and I thought the forum's night owls would have solved it very quickly)............


Re: Where was PhilW on 22/11/24
Posted by Red Squirrel at 07:48, 23rd November 2024
 
Isn’t Hugh Jass a denizen of Moe’s Bar?

Re: 2024 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
Posted by brooklea at 07:11, 23rd November 2024
 
Hmm. 
 
There was a slightly different message at 07:31
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:22/11/2024 07:36

... seems to me to be entirely inconsistent. 


It does rather.

Noting that the previous service of the train to form the 07:45 from Westbury to Swindon is the 06:13 Bristol Parkway to Westbury, according to RTT this had a unit swap at Bristol Temple Meads from 158767 to 166218. The 158 arrived at Temple Meads 12 minutes late, but the 166 left 63 minutes late at 07:43! I wonder if the “shortage of train crew” could relate to needing a driver to bring 166218 from a siding somewhere to form the onward working to Westbury?

In any event, clearly the 07:45 to Swindon would be, at best, a late start when the train to form it had only just left Bristol at 07:45. Unfortunate that it couldn’t have run as far as Chippenham, even with a severe delay, in order to start the return working to Westbury from there, but I suppose a decision was made that the risk of delay to other services was too great?

Re: 2024 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
Posted by TaplowGreen at 04:32, 23rd November 2024
 
20:08 Westbury to Swindon due 20:54
20:08 Westbury to Swindon due 20:54 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

21:10 Swindon to Westbury due 21:52
21:10 Swindon to Westbury due 21:52 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Where was PhilW on 22/11/24
Posted by PhilWakely at 22:14, 22nd November 2024
 
Probably very easy for the forum's location detectives.


Re: Equipment Failure and Snow closure of EXD - Barnstaple and Okehampton 21112024
Posted by PhilWakely at 21:59, 22nd November 2024
 
We are sorry for the disruption to your journey this morning.
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Snow fall earlier had caused a points failure at Crediton which prevented us from running trains on the line between Exeter and Barnstaple. The snowfall has also caused a number of trees to fall on to the railway. We currently have a train running along the line from Crediton to Okehampton with Network Rail staff who are inspecting the line and removing the trees as they find them. Once that is done they will then use the train to inspect the line between Crediton and Barnstaple. Once that inspection is complete we hope to be able to start running trains, but at this time we do not have an estimate for when this will be.

I think somebody at GWR needs a geography lesson............. I was at Polsloe Bridge this (Fri 22nd) morning waiting for the 08:47 service to Paignton. As the automated announcement for the imminent arrival of the service was broadcast, the additional message "This train may be disrupted after Exeter St David's due to adverse weather conditions between Exeter St David's and BARNSTAPLE" was added.

Re: BTP phone number: changes to call charges
Posted by eightonedee at 21:44, 22nd November 2024
 
Thanks Mark - saw it, said it, sorted!

BTP phone number: changes to call charges
Posted by Mark A at 21:29, 22nd November 2024
 
The BTP number - 61016 - is now free to text from mobile phones. (Prior to this, the user, if they used the number, would be presented with a warning about unspecified charges which was a bit offputting...)

Mark

Re: Bridge bash statistics, from Network Rail - November 2024
Posted by grahame at 21:13, 22nd November 2024
 
Most struck railway bridges in Britain 2023/24:

1. Stuntney Road, Ely - 18 strikes
2. Stonea Road, Stonea - 17 strikes
3. Lower Downs Road, Wimbledon - 17 strikes
4. Watling Street A5, Hinckley - 15 strikes
5. Harlaxton Road, Grantham - 14 strikes
6. Doncaster Road (A638), Ackworth, Ferrybridge - 13 strikes
7. Warminster Road Bridge, Wilton - 11 strikes
8. Abbey Farm, Thetford - 11 strikes
9. Kenworthy Road Bridge, Homerton - 11 strikes
10. Jews Lane, Twerton - 10 strikes

Re: Fancy dress / impersonation of staff / disability issues.
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:47, 22nd November 2024
 
To expand and update this topic - from The Courier

Outrage as disabled Dundee man, 27, told to remove stationmaster costume at Angus train event



Gareth Bell is a huge trains fan and has his own 'station' in his back garden. Picture: Paul Reid.

A Tayside family has hit out after a disabled “gentle giant” was asked to remove his fancy dress costume at a Thomas the Tank Engine event on health and safety grounds.

Mum Laurie Alexander said her 27-year-old son Gareth Bell – who has a rare neurogenetic disorder called Angelman Syndrome – dressed up as a station master to attend the event at Brechin’s Caledonian Railway on Saturday.

She said the family were shocked when they were told Gareth, who has a mental age of four, would have to remove his hat, jacket and tie because he was “impersonating a member of staff”.


Gareth Bell in his back garden.

Mrs Alexander, from Dundee, said her train enthusiast son was also told to sit away from all the other visitors before boarding for fear of mistaken identity.

“I’m totally broken and can’t stop crying about what happened,” she said. “Gareth has Angelman Syndrome and he’s a gentle giant. He is a toddler in a big man’s body.  The man asked if Gareth could remove his hat, jacket and tie because he was impersonating a member of staff. I was also told he had to sit further along the platform away from all the other visitors.  They blamed health and safety.”


Gareth in his shed.

Gareth eventually travelled on Thomas with his uniform left behind on the station bench.

Mrs Alexander said the experience was hugely upsetting.  “Gareth has always loved trains and he adores Thomas,” she said.  “I just wanted the ground to swallow me up and I thought I was going to start crying. But I kept my emotions in check because Gareth was unaware of what was happening.  When I asked him to take off his costume he told me: ‘Bad mummy’.”


The Caley railway is extremely popular with families.

Dad Robert said his son recently went to Perth to see the Flying Scotsman while dressed as “Station Master Gareth”, without any difficulties.

“The staff there did everything they could to accommodate him and he even got to wave the train off from the station,” he said. “Gareth is six foot three and doesn’t look like he has learning difficulties but not everybody that is disabled is in a wheelchair.  The situation could have been handled totally differently and it’s a real shame that it has come to this.”

The couple turned the shed in their garden into a station for Gareth who is a well-known figure in the Fintry community.

A spokesman for the volunteer-run Caledonian Railway apologised and has now invited Gareth back to Brechin to make amends.  He said: “We would apologise for any upset that was caused which was never our intention.  We are not here to single anybody out and this was a case of miscommunication between the two parties.  We would like to clear the air and invite Gareth to join us next weekend at the station for a look around and a train ride.”

Angelman syndrome (AS) affects about one in 15,000 people, or about 500,000 individuals worldwide. Symptoms include severe intellectual disability, developmental disability, speaking problems, balance and movement problems, seizures, and sleep problems.


I'm glad to read that the Caledonian Railway made amends for this unfortunate incident.

CfN. 

Re: Bridge bash statistics, from Network Rail - November 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:02, 22nd November 2024
 
I don't understand why there isn't a gantry before these bridges with something dangling on a rope that would hit the top of the vehicle alerting the driver before they hit the bridge.

... something like a hangman's noose, maybe? 

Re: Bridge bash statistics, from Network Rail - November 2024
Posted by Surrey 455 at 19:56, 22nd November 2024
 
I don't understand why there isn't a gantry before these bridges with something dangling on a rope that would hit the top of the vehicle alerting the driver before they hit the bridge.

Re: Where was Red Squirrel 18/11/2024
Posted by stuving at 19:37, 22nd November 2024
 
[P.S. Yes we did see the Northern Lights. Mrs Squirrel very happy to tick it off on her bucket list]

I've been there twice and not seen them, although it didn't go dark at all on my first visit.

There have been plans for a light rail link ...
When I'd read that far I was expecting something about a railway to move surplus aurora from wherever it was to somewhere else that had none ...

Re: 2024 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:37, 22nd November 2024
 
Hmm. 
 
There was a slightly different message at 07:31
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:22/11/2024 07:36

... seems to me to be entirely inconsistent. 


Bridge bash statistics, from Network Rail - November 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:18, 22nd November 2024
 
From Network Rail:



Hinckley railway bridge sits in top ten of Network Rail’s most bashed bridges

Watling Bridge in Hinckley sits at number four of the list of Network Rail’s most frequently hit bridges.

New figures released by Network Rail reveal Watling Bridge was struck 15 times in the last year, up from 12 the year before.

The new figures come as Network Rail urges haulage operators and their lorry drivers to ‘Wise Up, Size Up’ and take better care on the roads.

Network Rail works closely with industry partners to tackle bridge strikes. Its ongoing ‘Wise Up, Size Up’ campaign reminds lorry drivers to check the height of their vehicles and plan their route in advance to avoid low bridges.

Network Rail also has a team of bridge strike champions covering each route across Britain, who raise awareness by visiting local haulage companies. This is proving effective in many parts of the country with a reduction in the total number of incidents recorded on the network over the last two years, including a 4% reduction in the last year alone.

Lei Wang, principal route engineer for West Coast South, said: “The number of collisions with Watling Street Bridge remains a concern, there have been 68 incidents since 2019. To prevent delays on the railway when hit, we have collision protection beams in place. This means the beams get hit instead of the bridge itself.  Although this has meant less disruption to passengers, the number is still too high so I want to urge drivers to know the size of their vehicle and take more care when approaching the bridge.”



Re: 2024 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
Posted by bobm at 18:17, 22nd November 2024
 
There was a slightly different message at 07:31

07:45 Westbury to Swindon due 08:34 will be starting late from Westbury.

This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

Re: Where was Red Squirrel 18/11/2024
Posted by TonyK at 17:58, 22nd November 2024
 
Yup, well done eightonedee!

This is, as I understand it, all that remains of Iceland's once less-than-comprehensive rail network. Now even Minør has disappeared!

Perhaps it's not in keeping with Iceland's ambition to become carbon-neutral. It has the greenest electrical grid in the world - more than 99% geothermal or hydro - and it's doing quite well rolling out EVs too. Mind you, it's probably easier for them to achieve all this given their abundancy of free energy, in a country smaller than England with a population size similar to Bristol's...

[P.S. Yes we did see the Northern Lights. Mrs Squirrel very happy to tick it off on her bucket list]

I've been there twice and not seen them, although it didn't go dark at all on my first visit.

There have been plans for a light rail link from the airport at Keflavik to Reykjavik for a while. I don't think it is lack of ambition, just the logistics and a downturn in visitor numbers as the Faeroes gained in kudos. The free energy was at one time used to make hydrogen for a bus service. That was meant to become island wide, but proved troublesome even in the capital, so was quietly abandoned.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
Posted by Timmer at 17:36, 22nd November 2024
 
You can’t keep telling people every weekend We advise customers to only travel if absolutely necessary yet that’s what GWR keep saying.

…is this even news any more??
Sigh, not really. I saw what TG posted above on the GWR website on Wednesday evening but couldn’t be bothered to post it as I think the expectation is that mass cancellations will continue to happen for the foreseeable.

My wife has to travel to Stansted airport on Sunday afternoon. Just booked the ticket but in the knowledge that come Sunday morning the train she’s booked on to London may be cancelled and we’ll have to adjust plans accordingly. Pathetic that we won’t know until then. I know we’re not the only ones.

Re: Rail franchise schedule update
Posted by eightonedee at 17:26, 22nd November 2024
 
Quite recently retired lawyer here..

I started looking for dates in the GWR one ... "duration of contract", and on page 16 ... can help feeling some of this is a bit obvious ... and didn't tell me what I wanted ...

Quote
This Contract shall expire on the Expiry Date

This I'm afraid is a result of the way lawyers are trained to draft documents (putting lots of definitions at the beginning of a document, then putting in an operative clause that simply uses that definition, which in isolation makes little sense and has no clarity). To be fair, it also reflects the way standard precedent documents are prepared, so that all the person actually producing the document needs to do is fill the gap in the definitions section.

The problem is this makes document very difficult to read and refer to easily. It's actually worse in some ways in an electronic copy, as you cannot flick back to the definitions section physically to find the answer.

My favorite example was a clause in a s106 planning agreement that said something along the lines of "The Owner shall pay the Bus Improvement Payments on the Bus Improvement Payment Dates and the Council shall use the Bus Improvement Payments for Bus Improvement Purposes".

Sadly, all too few of my colleagues appreciated how absolutely moronic this looks to the poor folk who have to read this, then go back (sometimes) many dozens of pages to read half a page of definitions just to find out that for the next five years they have to pay £500,000 on the 1st May to the local authority who have to use it to subsidise a new bus service serving the new development. 

Re: North Cotswold Line delays and cancellations - 2024
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:12, 22nd November 2024
 
2E77 05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill (06:15) was cancelled "due to passengers causing a disturbance on this train".

There are passengers (disturbing ones at that) leaving Oxford for Worcester at 05.10? I'm not entirely sure I believe that.
Agree completely.

Missouri, USA - Line be open again by Monday ??? (July 2019)
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:37, 22nd November 2024
 
Purely to expand this topic:

From the BBC, see

Train derailment sends 70 cars off track

Drone footage shows a Florida-bound train with dozens of cars hanging off the rails in Missouri. There were no injuries reported.


Re: Rail franchise schedule update
Posted by grahame at 16:33, 22nd November 2024
 
An update on this topic from me:

There are many documents on that particular Gov.UK website, as recent as October 2024: they are far too numerous for me to even try to quote from them all, but please do have a look.

CfN. 

I started looking for dates in the GWR one ... "duration of contract", and on page 16 ... can help feeling some of this is a bit obvious ... and didn't tell me what I wanted ...

This Contract shall expire on the Expiry Date

Re: 2024 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
Posted by grahame at 16:23, 22nd November 2024
 
Strictly speaking, it's actually at nine minutes notice.  That is an appalling way to treat their customers by GWR. 

Indeed.  If it is something like a train driver or manager being taken ill, it can be occasionally understood but they have a separate code for that, haven't they?   And just to confirm, that *was* a late cancellation and not just an update to a notification that had been there much longer.

Re: Petition for mileage based fares
Posted by stuving at 16:12, 22nd November 2024
 
10 years ago today - isn't it amazing how long it's taking to sort out fares. 

No. RDG and DfT have been passing this buck back and forth for years, so obviously it's something that scares them. And for good reason - any change would be seen as worse for them by a lot of people. We all know that when affected by something changing, those who gain barely notice and forget within a week or two, while those who feel hard done by bear a grudge for years.

I'm sure RDG would have accepted a radical simplification, and might have quite liked some aspects, such as having a lot of aggro about validity go away. But they really wanted to have a big say in the new system, but for it to be seen as imposed on them, so they could keep saying anything unpopular wasn't their fault.

Re: North Cotswold Line delays and cancellations - 2024
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 16:06, 22nd November 2024
 
2E77 05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill (06:15) was cancelled "due to passengers causing a disturbance on this train".

There are passengers (disturbing ones at that) leaving Oxford for Worcester at 05.10? I'm not entirely sure I believe that.

Re: How passengers can improve the railways - the Boris Johnson way
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:05, 22nd November 2024
 
Well, that has all turned out rather well, with the benefit of hindsight.

CfN. 

 
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