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Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378310/21755/40]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:09, 16th August 2026
 
I wonder if the decision is primarily driven by Virgin Trains' wish to concentrate on the establishment of their much punted cross channel service. They were awarded access rights, by the ORR, to the Temple Mills facility last October and it seems to have all gone quiet since then. There are however a few news pieces saying the service will commence in 2029/30.

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378309/32369/4]
Posted by grahame at 07:57, 16th August 2026
 
Since it seemingly won't be very long before there is a Railcard to cover every sector of society why not speed up and/or simplify the process by scrapping all of them and implement an across-the-board fare reduction?

Discuss (from a safe distance obviously). 

Close.  I would prefer a railcard to become a loyalty card.  The devil, though, would be in the detail.   At present, different railcards have differing terms and conditions.  Can you use them in the peak?  Or before 09:30? Is there a minimum fare payable?  Do you have to take a child with you? Can they be applied to paper tickets?

Re: Cancellations today - what proportion of services?
In "Across the West" [378308/32371/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:55, 16th August 2026
 
And 40 formation changes ... including ...

14:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:02
15:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 17:05
16:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:02

All reductions - 10 to 9, 9 to 5 and 9 to 5.   10 to 9 is really no different ... 9 to 5 is serious.  And why were GWR running some middle of the day Cardiff to Portsmouth services with just 2 carriages yesterday.  Rhetorical question perhaps, but some of the trains at Warminster (I  watched rather than used) looked distinctly unpleasant ... and I wonder how those headed towards South Wales might have coped (or not) and they probably picked up more that they dropped off at places like Trowbridge and Bradford-on-Avon before getting some relief at Bath Spa

Community Shield Final in Cardiff today (Arsenal v Man City), so suspect other services are being stripped back to provide as much capacity as possible.

As for the decimation of the Cornish branches (on a summer Sunday, utterly hopeless), one can only hope that the missing crews are BBQ-ing responsibly given the "tinder box" weather conditions.

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378307/32369/4]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:48, 16th August 2026
 
Since it seemingly won't be very long before there is a Railcard to cover every sector of society why not speed up and/or simplify the process by scrapping all of them and implement an across-the-board fare reduction?

Discuss (from a safe distance obviously). 

Re: Cancellations today - what proportion of services?
In "Across the West" [378306/32371/26]
Posted by grahame at 07:34, 16th August 2026
 
And 40 formation changes ... including ...

14:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:02
15:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 17:05
16:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 18:02

All reductions - 10 to 9, 9 to 5 and 9 to 5.   10 to 9 is really no different ... 9 to 5 is serious.  And why were GWR running some middle of the day Cardiff to Portsmouth services with just 2 carriages yesterday.  Rhetorical question perhaps, but some of the trains at Warminster (I  watched rather than used) looked distinctly unpleasant ... and I wonder how those headed towards South Wales might have coped (or not) and they probably picked up more that they dropped off at places like Trowbridge and Bradford-on-Avon before getting some relief at Bath Spa

Cancellations today - what proportion of services?
In "Across the West" [378305/32371/26]
Posted by grahame at 07:06, 16th August 2026
 
Happy Sunday - 68 full cancellations and a dozen short runs - almost all of them due to crew shortage.   GWR run - perhaps - 1200 services on a typical Sunday (?) - so I make it about 1 train in 15 (between 6 and 7%) not running properly.  Was it always like this, just that the stats are at hand these days to tell us?    Lots of service gone including multiple successive ones to places like Looe, with St Ives and Newquay and Falmouth all getting a dishonourable mention.   But then it's a Sunday, during school holidays, so the trains would have been quiet with no school traffic and no commuters, right  ?

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378304/32369/4]
Posted by grahame at 05:56, 16th August 2026
 
Hm. It is, but I'm a bit sceptical about claims like this:

Zoe Billingham, the director of the IPPR North think tank, has also called for ministers to think about ways to roll out more discounted fares in northern England.

“It’s not right that there’s a Network Railcard that offers discounted off-peak travel for the South East of England only,” she said.

“The North has suffered the double blow of unreliable train services on Victorian infrastructure whilst paying full fares.

An anytime day return from Didcot Parkway to Swindon, about 25 miles, is £65.20. An anytime day return from Hebden Bridge to Manchester, about 25 miles, is £15.60. Neither qualify for Network Card discounts. Not all "full fares" are the same.

Is that an edge case or a common scenario?

I would ... suggest ... that Didcot to Swindon is something of an extreme case - perhaps not an extreme edge case, but certainly on the 95th or higher percentile.   Any time, any route (including HS1) Tonbridge to London is £90.50, NOT HS1 is £40.70. Swindon to Salisbury is an interesting case - the most flexible ticket ("Not via London") costs £174.20 anytime return and that used to be the ticket you required on the 06:15 direct train from Swindon.   However, GWR saw the logic in changing the "via Bath Spa" fare into a "via Trowbridge" fare and at current rates that's £50.70 - still above "northern rates" but a huge improvement, and thank you to GWR for helping to bring in this change.

Hebden Bridge to Manchester is a pretty standard sort of rate, I suggest, away from the South East / Home Counties. Try £11.90 Forres to Inverness, or Plymouth to Totnes at £12.60 / anytime day returns.   Brighton to Bognor Regis is £22.20 ...

Where you find astonishing inequalities is in the differenetial between anytime and restricted time fares, and between tickets from where you start to where you end versus multiple tickets bought in sections via intermediate stations.  I would suggest that there's a tendency for the anytime fares ("peak fares") to be proportionatly fare higher than "off peak" on London routes. 

Basically, the whole system has grown into an illogical morass based on local and regional issues - both in keeping fares low in the first place ( for the very people, perhaps, who are now requesting a railcard for the North ) and in increasing fares for a premium service such as Didcot to Swindon.




Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378303/17260/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:55, 15th August 2026
 


Finn - holding up the traffic, again. 

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378302/17260/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:46, 15th August 2026
 
A "Thumping" good day out  !!

The Hastings DMU returns to Warminster, from Westbury, to load up for the return trip to Tonbridge.



I saw that!  Well, I managed to get a glimpse of it, out of the droplight in a rammed unit between Warminster and Westbury (air conditioning failure). 

CfN. 

Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378301/21755/40]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:42, 15th August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Always happy to try and ensure some balance, CfN!

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378300/17260/5]
Posted by JayMac at 22:26, 15th August 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
The first time is always an eye-opener, CfN!

Glad you enjoyed the day. I was one of those numerous bus enthusiast photographers myself a couple years ago. Accompanied by my best friend.

EDIT: I never did get round to putting together a YouTube compilation from all my video and photos taken in 2024. Still have tjem all saved. One day maybe...


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378299/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:15, 15th August 2026
 
A crew member was telling me very recently that he does not sign Westbury to Chippenham (in the context of not being able to staff diverted services because of one of the bridge strikes at Limpley Stoke).  Has me wondering if it's not so much a simple "crew shortage" but rather the wrong type of crew.

Hmm. I'm not sure it's a case of 'the wrong type of crew' - more a shortage of the right type of crew - those who have the necessary training and therefore ability to carry out that duty, on a diverted service.

Sorry for being a pedant - but at least it bumped this topic.  I can do that, because I'm an admin (with my greatest respects to grahame). 

CfN. 


Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378298/21755/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:21, 15th August 2026
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Though let's not forget that they generally received a panning for their Cross Country operation and ordered the fleet of 4/5 car Voyagers that has hamstrung the franchise ever since.  They were responsible for the fiasco that was 'Operation Princess' where punctuality dropped to little more than 50%, and were involved in plans for a Paddington to Birmingham via Swindon service that eventually came to nought.

No need to hold back there, II. 

CfN. 

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378297/17260/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:29, 15th August 2026
 
Today was my first experience of an Imber Bus day.  I met up with grahame, and we toured (some of) the 23A route in company.

My impressions are all favourable.  I was frankly rather startled to see just how many people were queuing up to 'get a bus to Imber' at Warminster Station.  I was also amazed at how huge the military firing range on Salisbury Plain is: I'd looked at it on an Ordnance Survey map, and noted that it is quite extensive - but travelling through it, in real life, it's vast!  Lots of rusting hulks of old tanks, visible from the roadway, but with cheery warning signs saying 'These are targets - Do not try to play on them'.

Interestingly, on almost every corner and junction, there were bus enthusiast photographers (and I do not use that term in any way derogatively) who had apparently negotiated their way to such vantage points.

My thanks to grahame, for acting as my local guide during my exploration: it was a grand day out.

CfN. 

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378296/17260/5]
Posted by grahame at 19:37, 15th August 2026
 
From across a wide, wide area, they gathered with their cameras and binoculars, hoping to get a glance and perhaps even a rare LondonBus away from its natural habitat










Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378295/17260/5]
Posted by Clan Line at 18:24, 15th August 2026
Already liked by FarWestJohn, Mark A
 
A "Thumping" good day out  !!

The Hastings DMU returns to Warminster, from Westbury, to load up for the return trip to Tonbridge.


A special Dutch problem on the line between Groningen and Zwolle
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [378294/32370/52]
Posted by RailCornwall at 18:19, 15th August 2026
 
Cabview Holland has released another video today. This time of a duty between Groningen and Zwolle a journey featuring both a lethal polished floor at Groningen station and a plague of STORKS nesting in the catenary cable OHE structures. They're brazen creatures not disposed to shift even with a 120kph mulit car NS Sprinter picking up power beneath their nests.

Enjoy....

https://youtu.be/mPtrF0EF0Es?si=9YilELDtsyZbrv6X


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378293/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:13, 15th August 2026
 
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05 is being delayed at Westbury.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [378292/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:12, 15th August 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Reading

Due to a safety inspection of the track between Westbury and Reading the line towards Reading is blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 15/08.

Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378291/21755/40]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:32, 15th August 2026
Already liked by Richard Fairhurst
 
Came up "on this day", Virgin pulling out of further rail franchise bids.

It may "just" have been marketing, but those Virgin services I used and saw seemed to have a much more human - customer aware - attitude and approach than others.  When we flew regularly (and that's looking back now) we far preferred Virgin Atlantic over certain other products; not that there was much difference in cost or reliability, but when things went wrong the customer care we received outshone the others.

I think that demonstrates the difference of an organisation like Virgin where customer service was embedded culturally throughout all aspects of its business.

Though let's not forget that they generally received a panning for their Cross Country operation and ordered the fleet of 4/5 car Voyagers that has hamstrung the franchise ever since.  They were responsible for the fiasco that was 'Operation Princess' where punctuality dropped to little more than 50%, and were involved in plans for a Paddington to Birmingham via Swindon service that eventually came to nought.


Re: Virgin's rail involvement after their franchises end
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378290/21755/40]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:05, 15th August 2026
 
Came up "on this day", Virgin pulling out of further rail franchise bids.

It may "just" have been marketing, but those Virgin services I used and saw seemed to have a much more human - customer aware - attitude and approach than others.  When we flew regularly (and that's looking back now) we far preferred Virgin Atlantic over certain other products; not that there was much difference in cost or reliability, but when things went wrong the customer care we received outshone the others.

I think that demonstrates the difference of an organisation like Virgin where customer service was embedded culturally throughout all aspects of its business.

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378289/32369/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:02, 15th August 2026
 
Hm. It is, but I'm a bit sceptical about claims like this:

Zoe Billingham, the director of the IPPR North think tank, has also called for ministers to think about ways to roll out more discounted fares in northern England.

“It’s not right that there’s a Network Railcard that offers discounted off-peak travel for the South East of England only,” she said.

“The North has suffered the double blow of unreliable train services on Victorian infrastructure whilst paying full fares.

An anytime day return from Didcot Parkway to Swindon, about 25 miles, is £65.20. An anytime day return from Hebden Bridge to Manchester, about 25 miles, is £15.60. Neither qualify for Network Card discounts. Not all "full fares" are the same.

Is that an edge case or a common scenario?

Re: Air conditioning on trains - apparently excessive sometimes - if working at all?
In "Introductions and chat" [378288/32367/1]
Posted by GBM at 11:36, 15th August 2026
 
Bearing in mind that people (well, most) dress for the weather, it would make sense for the interior temperature of the train to partially track the outside temperature - so that it's (say) 21C much of the year, but 25C when outside is 30C.

Apart from being more comfortable, it would also reduce energy consumption and wear on the A/C system.

A related issue is the diffusion (or not) of the cooled air supplied to the passenger saloon. I've had to move seats on a double-deck train in the Netherlands due to the frigid wind concentrated on my original location.
Ouch, sounds painful!..

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378287/32369/4]
Posted by grahame at 11:30, 15th August 2026
Already liked by GBM, Mark A
 
Cue member grahame on Melksham fares.......

Can't really answer today - offline at the moment in Tilshead ... (oops ... I seem to be here!)

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378286/32369/4]
Posted by GBM at 11:24, 15th August 2026
 
Hm. It is, but I'm a bit sceptical about claims like this:

An anytime day return from Didcot Parkway to Swindon, about 25 miles, is £65.20. An anytime day return from Hebden Bridge to Manchester, about 25 miles, is £15.60. Neither qualify for Network Card discounts. Not all "full fares" are the same.

Cue member grahame on Melksham fares.......

Re: Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378285/32369/4]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 10:30, 15th August 2026
Already liked by Mark A, eightonedee, Chris from Nailsea, PhilWakely, John D
 
Hm. It is, but I'm a bit sceptical about claims like this:

Zoe Billingham, the director of the IPPR North think tank, has also called for ministers to think about ways to roll out more discounted fares in northern England.

“It’s not right that there’s a Network Railcard that offers discounted off-peak travel for the South East of England only,” she said.

“The North has suffered the double blow of unreliable train services on Victorian infrastructure whilst paying full fares.

An anytime day return from Didcot Parkway to Swindon, about 25 miles, is £65.20. An anytime day return from Hebden Bridge to Manchester, about 25 miles, is £15.60. Neither qualify for Network Card discounts. Not all "full fares" are the same.

Burnham urged to extend railcard discounts to over 30s
In "Fare's Fair" [378284/32369/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:58, 15th August 2026
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/burnham-rail-fares-commuters-adam-dance-b3033468.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawTtCNxwZG9mBWV4dG4DYWVtAjEwAGJyaWQRMUFiZkpXSVlaNVVUcndWVE9zcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEec9CyIOW_F6MCBceAC8Njym5EiWNec4B2edzDkXF2BvCp9w93EzoQlVYdcus_aem_f6UImbDWggcLSLKJjSNC8Q

Interesting idea.

Re: Six-hour train services between London and Stirling running with no toilets
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378283/32334/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:59, 15th August 2026
 
It does not appear to have been made clear that Lumo have stated categorically that none of their Stirling trains enter service without at least some working WC's and the issue seems to be one of 'mid-journey' failure.

And that's rubbish anyway! Their early morning 0615? to Stirling left London with NO working toilets the other day - Lumo even tweeted the news themselves & indicated extra-long toilet stops were going to happen.

The gist of my original comment was 'nicked' from the Green Signals Podcast article of Thursday 13th August. So Lumo told messrs Harris and/or Bowker a blatant lie? In the same article it was also said that the WC systems were not part of the refurbishment programme (see above).

Re: Ryanair - routes, schedules, incidents and issues (merged posts)
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378282/29076/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:33, 15th August 2026
 
Ryanair.

Enough said. 

Possibly somewhat unfair in view of this:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/13209387/pilot-sucked-ba-cockpit-window/ 

Re: Derailment, Lewes, 13 Aug 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378281/32362/51]
Posted by grahame at 07:08, 15th August 2026
 
An excursion returning to Derby from Eastbourne traversed the westbound track at about 17:35; seemingly, the only train to run on this line for quite some time.

Reminds me of tales of the "Sunny South Express" trains 100 years ago bringing holiday makers from the Midlands to the South Coast

From Sankey Scenics

This train was very popular with holiday makers heading for the south coast in the 1920s and 30s. It was a direct service from the north avoiding the inconvenience of crossing London. Starting at Manchester at 10.40 a.m. and Liverpool at 10.35 a.m., the two sections joined at Crewe and then headed south. At Willesden a locomotive from the Southern took over the train and then proceeded to skirt through west London on its way to Brighton, Eastbourne, Bexhill and Hastings.

 
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