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Re: Investigation into parking tickets for drivers queuing at petrol stations
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377155/32243/51]
Posted by JayMac at 23:00, 17th July 2026
 
Private road you say?

Why not have a barrier installation and management of that rather than pay a private parking cowboy?

PPCs only make money AFTER someone has allegedly parked where they shouldn't. Prevent them doing so in the first place.

Re: Stonehenge - Love it or hate it?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377154/32211/31]
Posted by wiltshirebloke at 21:47, 17th July 2026
 
Hate it !

A right royal pain in the *** when you have to drive along the A303, only to be faced with queuing traffic.  Why? because the delightful traveller in front of you has slowed down to 15mph while they gawp out the window at the magical marvel.  A picturesque rubber-necking you may call it.

The sooner the build a chuffin big hedge in front of it, the better, cause the tunnel is never going to happen ! 

[rant over]

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [377153/28982/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:39, 17th July 2026
 
Posted on X

The first @GWRHelp Class 175 has been repainted in GWR livery - this is set 175103, seen here being shunted by 08629 at Wolverton Works prior to delivery to GWR.

Click on the link to view the photo.....and its NOT in GBR colours either. Possibly the very last in GWR....

What an utter waste of money.

Painting a train in the livery of a TOC that will cease to exist in less than 5 months. Why not paint it in GBR colours?

Rail Customer Experience Survey October 2025 - March 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377152/32248/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:22, 17th July 2026
 
From Transport Focus

The Rail Customer Experience Survey (RCXS) is a new, industry-wide survey of rail passengers’ journeys. Its aim is to provide regular, robust, and consistent customer insight data to the rail industry.

This report covers the headline results from mid-October 2025 to end of March 2026.

Access the full data sets for this release
https://www.transportfocus.org.uk/rail-customer-experience-survey-full-data-sets/

Who fancies chewing the figures?

London Stansted to trial overnight trains for first time this summer
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377151/32247/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:19, 17th July 2026
 
From The Independent, via MSN

Stansted Express will trial overnight train services connecting the airport to central London this summer.

Between 3 July and 25 September, additional rail services will run each Friday night into Saturday morning.

During the trial, trains will run approximately every 30 minutes between 11.50pm and 5am from Stansted airport and Tottenham Hale or London Liverpool Street station.

The journey between Stansted airport and Tottenham Hale takes travellers around 36 minutes.

From Tottenham Hale, passengers can take the Victoria line Night Tube for onward travel across London.

Operator of Stansted Express, Greater Anglia, said that joint planning with Network Rail Anglia had allowed the trial to “understand customer demand for overnight airport rail services”.

Greater Anglia was nationalised last autumn ahead of the formal establishment of the government’s Great British Railways in 2027.

The rail minister, Lord Peter Hendy, said: “These overnight Stansted Express services will make a real difference to people arriving late or travelling for early flights – connecting them straight into London via the Night Tube. Alongside contactless ticketing at every London airport, we're building a railway that works for passengers and drives growth across the country.”

Contactless pay-as-you-go was introduced at Stansted airport in March to make travel to the aviation hub “simpler and more flexible”.

Gareth Powell, London Stansted’s managing director, said: “The overnight trial of Friday Stansted Express services is a welcome development, and one which I’m sure will prove to be popular with airport passengers and staff, providing more choice, convenience and connectivity when accessing the airport.”

Standard Stansted Express tickets will be valid for the late-night services, with Railcards and discounts applied as usual.

Cumbria Travel Pass to simplify sustainable travel across the Lake District
In "Fare's Fair" [377150/32246/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:12, 17th July 2026
 
From Interchange

A new integrated ticket allowing unlimited travel by train, bus and boat across Cumbria has been launched in a move aimed at making it easier for visitors to explore the Lake District without relying on private cars.

The Cumbria Travel Pass, introduced by Northern in partnership with Avanti West Coast, TransPennine Express, Stagecoach and Windermere Lake Cruises, offers unlimited travel for one day (£40) or three consecutive days (£99). Arguably one of the most comprehensive multimodal ticketing products currently available in England, the ticket also includes discounts on selected visitor attractions and lake transport services.

The pass is valid on Northern, Avanti West Coast and TransPennine Express rail services within Cumbria, Stagecoach bus services across the county and scheduled Windermere Lake Cruises. It also provides discounted travel on attractions including the Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway, Coniston Launch, Keswick Launch and Ullswater Steamers.

Northern said the initiative is designed to simplify travel by allowing passengers to use a single ticket across multiple transport modes rather than purchasing separate rail, bus and boat tickets. The operator said tickets can be bought up to 11 months in advance, with Railcard discounts available and reduced fares for children.

Alex Hornby, Commercial and Customer Director at Northern, said, "We're excited to launch this new travel pass. It gives customers real flexibility and peace of mind as they switch between providers, travelling by train, bus and boat – and saves money for those who would usually buy separate tickets for each.

"It’s ideal for anyone looking to travel across this beautiful part of the world, as they can hop on and off at any stop."

The launch supports wider efforts to encourage more sustainable tourism in the Lake District, where seasonal road congestion and parking demand remain significant challenges. By integrating public transport services across different operators, the partners hope to make car-free travel a more practical option for both visitors and residents.

Sue Clarke, Marketing Manager at Cumbria Tourism, said the new ticket aligns with the county's long-term visitor strategy. "This is such great news for our visitors and residents, making it even easier for them to explore our stunning county car free.

"Cumbria's Destination Management Plan sets an ambition for Cumbria to be a leading sustainable and accessible destination, and joining our rail, bus and boat travel together in this way helps make planning simpler."

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [377149/32149/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:10, 17th July 2026
 
From the I paper

Burnham’s HS2 promise is dead on arrival – here’s how to really fix Britain’s railways

Just south of Wigan, you find the “flashes”, lakes formed by mining subsidence, once surrounded by Somme-like industrial wasteland, now transformed into rural nature reserves and a refuge for the willow tit, Britain’s most threatened bird. A tenth of this species’ entire UK population lives around the flashes, but perhaps not for much longer.

The area is also home to an even more rare creature than the willow tit: a Labour by-election winner, Andy Burnham, whose constituency, Makerfield, this is. And when he becomes prime minister, he wants to drive a new high-speed railway right through it.

Burnham pledged to reinstate HS2’s second phase, between the West Midlands and the North West, in an interview with The i Paper last month. As well as the route to Manchester, Phase 2 also includes the “Golborne link”, a branch for trains to Preston and Scotland, joining the West Coast Main Line at Bamfurlong, in Burnham’s seat. There was, he said, “a cleverer way of funding” Phase 2 through “contributions from business and residents” or “the increase in land values created by the [new] infrastructure… captured to pay back the cost”.

Henri Murison, of the Northern Powerhouse Partnership, a lobby group for high-speed rail, says a “make-do and mend approach doesn’t work – you end up having to build new lines anyway”. A “significant proportion” of costs could be raised privately, Murison adds, or through measures such as devolved income tax, though he won’t say how much.

But the sums required are genuinely massive. Officially, HS2’s first phase, from London to the Midlands, is now costing between £626m and £734m a mile. On this basis, Phase 2, 89 miles with the Golborne link, would cost up to £65bn. In practice, it should be slightly cheaper, since there is less tunnelling – around 17 per cent of the route, versus 23 per cent in Phase 1 – and fewer cuttings. But that assumes that HS2’s costs rise no further: bold, given its record.

Burnham also wants an underground station in central Manchester – another £5bn on the bill. And he backs a second new line, Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) from Liverpool to Manchester and possibly Leeds. NPR shares some of HS2’s track, but even with this, the price for all the schemes together will be perhaps £80bn.

In 2024, Burnham claimed Phase 2 could save up to 40 per cent by becoming “HS2 Lite”, with a top speed of 185mph, not the planned 250mph. The main reason faster is more expensive is that the route must be flatter and straighter, with more earth moved. But HS2 Lite doesn’t change the route, so this saving isn’t available.

Even HS2’s most strident supporters were unconvinced by the plan. The rail commentator, Gareth Dennis, said it was “bad,” “technically illiterate” and “based on several severely misjudged ideas about costs. Suggesting that anything other than the full and original HS2 design will be cheaper and quicker to deliver is wrong.”

As for Burnham’s “cleverer way of funding”, it’s quite true that extra taxes on London business and a “community infrastructure levy” for increased land values did pay for about a quarter of the Elizabeth Line, £4.7bn. The developers of Battersea Power Station similarly funded about a fifth of the cost of extending the Northern Line to their site – £260m (though in return they got changes which raised its price, cancelling out much of their contribution).

But these were far smaller, cheaper projects than HS2. And even for those sorts of schemes, LSE Professor Tony Travers, who chaired a commission on land value capture for infrastructure, says there is “no way any other part of the country could do anything like [London]. Their economies are just not big enough to bear it. The land values are not enough to raise more than a very modest, gestural amount”. As mayor of Greater Manchester, Burnham had power to levy a Crossrail-style supplementary business rate, but never did, presumably for that reason. In the by-election, he promised to cut business taxes.

The final, clinching difficulty is that neither HS2 nor NPR actually fixes the North’s rail problems. University of Liverpool Professor Ian Wray, former chief planner of the Northwest Development Agency, was the first person to propose what became NPR. But now, he says, HS2 and NPR are “projects looking for a plan”, “conceived, designed and delivered in isolation” and “likely to fail to achieve their objectives”.

Writing with David Thrower, another planner, and Jim Steer, one of the earliest high-speed lobbyists, Wray says the North’s rail capacity problem is not on links – lines between places – but at nodes, places where the trains converge, above all central Manchester. Delays from congestion there ripple out across the region, but fixing it is, they say, a “total lacuna” in current plans.

NPR and HS2 will, of course, take some trains off the congested conventional lines in central Manchester – but only about 25 per cent of them. Trevor Parkin, an engineer who has closely studied HS2 and NPR, says building an Elizabeth Line-style scheme under the city centre instead, a short tunnel linking all the conventional lines either side, would increase capacity by at least 100 per cent.

“It would give Burnham his underground station at Piccadilly, it would link to most of the Northern network rather than a handful of places on a high-speed line, and it would cost a fraction of the price,” Parkin says.

There is cross-party momentum behind this concept, from my own think-tank Policy Exchange to the more left-wing Centre for British Progress. New Elizabeth Lines – not just for Manchester, but for every major city – are the top suggestion of 20 “big ideas” for Burnham’s first 100 days, collected by the progressive website Arguably.

As for the problem that HS2 is meant to fix – congestion on the West Coast Main Line – that too could be solved far quicker and cheaper by tackling two pinch points, Crewe and Colwich, than by building a whole new line. This would also prevent services to other places on the existing route, such as Stoke, Stockport, Wilmslow – and Burnham’s own local station at Wigan – being damaged, sometimes devastated, as trains are switched to HS2.

“Every week and every pound we waste on unaffordable high-speed schemes that will never happen is time and money not spent on things which can actually be delivered and would actually transform rail in the North,” says Parkin. “Unless we realise this, we will spend another 10 years achieving nothing.”

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [377148/31038/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:06, 17th July 2026
 
From the Telegraph, via MSN

Safety warning over Labour’s rail nationalisation plans

Labour’s plans to nationalise the railways threaten to undermine passenger safety, the industry watchdog has warned.

The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said the upheaval of bringing train operators and Network Rail under state control meant senior railway executives could lose focus and start to ignore safety issues.

Great British Railways (GBR), the new state-backed operator, is taking back rail line franchises as they come up for renewal, with remaining routes expected to come under government control by the end of next year.

However, Richard Hines, the chief inspector of railways, said in the ORR’s annual report on health and safety that the disruption of nationalisation could bring short-term risks.

“GBR is an opportunity to strengthen safety across the network but change must not weaken protections or blur who is responsible for keeping passengers and workers safe,” he said.

“As rail reform progresses, there must be clear leadership, clear accountability and a relentless focus on known safety issues, such as over-speeding.”

Richard Holden, the shadow transport secretary, said the warnings from Mr Hines were “concerning” and urged Labour to review its timetable for nationalisation.

He said the findings added to concerns about the impact of the GBR plan, which the Conservatives have claimed will drive up costs and leave passengers and taxpayers to pick up the bill.

“The chief inspector of railways has warned that Labour’s reforms risk weakening accountability for rail safety,” he told The Telegraph.

“Safety must always come first. If the evidence shows that Labour’s rushed nationalisation is compromising the safety of passengers and railway staff, it should be paused until ministers can guarantee those risks have been addressed.”

In its report, the ORR also warned that work to tackle deaths on level crossings, worker fatalities and over-speeding at junctions – recent cases of which had come close to “catastrophic outcomes” – should not take a back seat to the creation of GBR.

The regulator said the crash near Bedford last month – which killed a driver and sent 100 passengers to hospital after a stationary train was hit by another travelling at 50mph – had provided a “sobering reminder” of the severe consequences of rail accidents.

The ORR said that while progress had been made in some areas, “the management of risk is not yet delivering the overall level of control and assurance required”.

The regulator singled out over-speeding, in which trains travel faster than the permitted limit for a given section of track, as one of the most significant safety issues.

Mr Hines also said the safety of maintenance staff remains a key concern after a spate of deaths, including one in March when a track worker was killed after being hit by a train at 110mph.

Fatalities on level crossings are also increasing, he said, while the derailment of an express train following a landslide at Shap, Cumbria, indicated the increased importance of “robust infrastructure management in the face of environmental pressures”.

He said the causes of the Bedford collision remain under investigation.

Initial findings suggested the driver who was killed passed a red signal after the train in front came to an unexpected halt when a fault triggered its emergency braking system.

A Department for Transport spokesman said: “Safety on our railways is our number one priority.

“We have been working with industry and independent experts, including the ORR, to make sure safety is at the heart of everything we do as we set up Great British Railways.

“Our rail reform programme will not change the robust rules in place on safety and as we move forward, we will build on the decades of experience which have meant Britain’s railways consistently rank among the safest in the world.”

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [377147/28982/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:59, 17th July 2026
 
Posted on X

The first @GWRHelp Class 175 has been repainted in GWR livery - this is set 175103, seen here being shunted by 08629 at Wolverton Works prior to delivery to GWR.

Click on the link to view the photo.....and its NOT in GBR colours either. Possibly the very last in GWR....

Re: 2 car trains (again)
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [377146/32239/20]
Posted by John D at 20:39, 17th July 2026
 
I guess everyone has to wait until Lord Hendy produces the LTRS (the 30 year long term rolling stock strategy).   

Earlier in the year suggested it would be published by the summer.   Parliament has just started summer recess, so wasn't issued before the summer recess.   The following suggests it will later this year

The most upto date info is the Parliamentary answer by Lord Hendy 2 days ago relating to SWR diesel fleet, I can't find any update on GWR diesel fleet
15 July 2026
The Class 158 and Class 159 diesel trains used on services between London Waterloo and Exeter are expected to be replaced as part of longer-term plans to modernise the rail fleet. South Western Railway, working with the Department for Transport, is developing proposals for their replacement; however, no specific timetable for replacement has yet been confirmed. In the meantime, these fleets are undergoing a phased refurbishment programme to improve reliability and passenger experience, including upgraded interiors, improved passenger information systems and the introduction of at-seat power. This ensures the trains remain fit for service while longer-term decisions are taken.

The Government is also developing a long-term rolling stock and infrastructure strategy, to be published later this year, which will set out Great British Railways’ future rolling stock requirements, including the approach to replacing older diesel trains.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2026-07-06/HL1695

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377145/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 18:52, 17th July 2026
 
 
18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56

20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Re: 2 car trains (again)
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [377144/32239/20]
Posted by grahame at 18:37, 17th July 2026
 
I have been asked about this in West Wiltshire / for Wiltshire as a whole and came up with the following to explain the situation and try to look at options available. As usual, I have written 100 words where 10 may be more effective



I can fill you in on my understanding of the rolling stock (passenger trains) situation on GWR services that operate away from electric lines. And I can look in a crystal ball and suggest some ways we may go forward - some of which may be deeply unpalatable.  I have no "wow - here is a solution staring you in the face" though and am at something of a loss as to what to suggest.

** Intro

The train from Portsmouth to Cardiff runs every hour.  It's a success story, and apart from late evening it needs to be 4 carriages long.   At 3 carriages, many services are uncomfortably full and standing, and when it runs with just 2 carriages, you get to crush conditions and people left behind.  Taking yesterday as an example - 16th July 2026 - out of 15 trains scheduled to leave Portsmouth Harbour for Cardiff, 2 cancelled, 4 were just 2 carriages in length, 4 were 3 carriages, 2 were 4 carriages and just one was 5 carriages.  The length of 1 is unknown.

PreCovid, we were promised 5 carriages trains would be the standard, and since then we have been promised 4 carriages, which would suffice for a couple of years.  Each physical train does a round trip every 8 hours, meaning either 32 or 40 carriages are needed. Yesterday, just 24 were provided.  GWR who operate the trains also provide two further (stopping) services each hour as far as Westbury, some continuing to Salisbury and some to Weymouth.  These trains are often run with as few as 2 carriages too and at that length they are often rammed.

Overcrowded trains at this level cause real problems for customers wishing to travel, and extended station stops while people struggle to get on or off, and delays build up with whole service going up the Swanee.

** Management overview

Passenger train carriages do not come cheap to lease or to operate, and both First (as GWR) and the Department for Transport want to keep the numbers down to a minimum as far as possible.  At the same time, passenger numbers have increased / people want more frequent trains and I will give you a whole series of places where extra trains ("diagrams" each day) have been added in recent years.

There have been several programs to provide more trains capable of diesel operation for secondary lines in recent years, but the trains of class 769 gave such problems that they were never introduced into revenue earning passenger service, and trains of class 175 are only just coming online in the South West and that's proving far, far slower / more difficult than anticipated.

All the existing diesel trains apart from those which are designed as long distance expresses and can work on electricity too are over 30 years old, nearing the planned end of their lives. They were specified and built before we saw global warming / heatwaves like the recent ones, and they are operating (or trying to) outside their optimum design window.  Some trains have become so old and inefficient that they have been withdrawn even before anything to replace them has become properly operational.

** Detail

1. Some extra services added in the last 5 years that require more none-electric trains:
* Okehampton - hourly from Exeter
* Severn Beach line - extra train every 2 hours
* Filton Abbey Wood - extra train from Bristol every hour
* Bristol local stations via Bath to Westbury and beyond - increase from 1 to 2 per hour
* Bristol direct to Oxford - one train every 2 hours
* Service to Newquay increased from every 2 hours to every hour
* Cheltenham Spa to Worcester - from every 2 hours to every hour
-- every summer, there are extra trains needed for St Ives and London-Newquay

2. Trains less available:
* Class 153 - 14 left GWR in April 2019 (not wheelchair accessible)
* Class 143 (6 trains?) withdrawn from GWR December 2021 (old age)
* Final 4 (of original 12) Castle Class trains withdrawn December 2025 (too old and expensive to run)
* Class 769 (19 x 4 car trains ) never entered service - return to lease company April 2023
* Class 175 (26 trains) - planned in 2024 but so far best achieved on any day is only 3 diagrams
* One class 158 unit written off in Salisbury accident, 31.10.2021
-- Maintenance issues on other trains that get older / spare part issues make them less available too

3. Electrics and bi-modes save some of the problems:
* Hourly London to Bedwyn service replaced by London to Newbury electrics and a single diesel shuttle train onwards
* 2nd Hourly London to Cardiff service run with standard class only London suburban electric units
* Cardiff to Penzance service (since cut to Cardiff to Exeter) aided by high speed trains that were destined for "superfast" services into London that never happened
* In theory, Battery train on Greenford branch could be saving a train

4. Services reduced / no longer operating (with GWR diesel fleet)
* from Worcester to Great Malvern
* East from Portsmouth to Brighton
* Local trains south of Salisbury to Southampton (now just one daily)

So where to the extra trains mentioned in item 1 come from?
* By reducing services that should be 2 trains joined together for capacity reasons to just one
* By savings from item 4
* By not having (I suspect) any hot spaces. We note lines closing for rest of day / extended periods now on a single failure.
* By failing to provide various enhancements such as 4 cars to Portsmouth or to Barnstaple
* By cancellations described as "more trains that usual requiring repair at the same time"

** Prognosis - trains

We are promised that when the 175 fleet becomes properly operational, it will firstly fill the gaps left by the withdrawal of the Castle Class trains, then it will take over the Barnstaple service (Okehampton too?) replacing the class 158s in use there to be transferred to Bristol.  There, some are 'reserved' for the Portishead service and for the other new service to Bristol Brabazon and Henbury, and some will allow carriages to be used to run longer Cardiff - Portsmouth services.  But if you look back at the history of forecasts and promises on train provision, you will see it does not have a good track record and I would not bet on it until it happens, and then be only a very muted and small improvement. These trains are hailed as saviour in so many ways - perhaps too many.

Ironically, a lot of the loading / overcrowding problems come from the very success of rail in attracting customers, with the extra frequencies described bringing in so many more travellers that just splitting the train and running twice as many but half the length does not work - it leads to overcrowding

Beyond the short term of the 175s - which are already 25 years old and were retired by Transport for Wales and stored a few years ago, what about more trains?  What will we be running in 5, 10 and 20 years?

Transport for Wales have a fleet update program and are retiring class 150 trains, and then class 158 trains, both classes used by GWR. Their 20 class 150s are "life expired" and as they are withdrawn not being cascaded elsewhere on current plans. Their 24 class 158s, although only slightly younger, would be really useful but there's probably going to be a bunfight as to who gets them; just as they would allow all the Cardiff to Portsmouth service to become 4 or 5 carriages, they would be so useful elsewhere in England!

There are various trains in store at Ely, Long Marston and Derby, but if the 175s were the best of the bunch, I would be concerned at the condition of anything else that's been cold stored there, even before looking at comparability issues with other trains GWR operate and the need for staff to learn and nurse yet something else.  There may be other class 150 and 158 operators retiring their stock, and Chiltern Trains have some class 165 units (and compatible 168s) - worth keeping an eye out.

New trains are being built / have recently been built for other operators such as Transport for Wales and Greater Anglia, and there is logic in looking at the possibility of "run on" orders for GWR.  With pure diesel trains this is not a well received suggestion, as it's felt that partial electrification / battery power is better for the future - greener and less reliant on fossil fuel.  But it is an option.

Beyond the short term - and we have issues NOW - there is much talk of new trains that will use greener technology, perhaps in addition to some diesel power.  Battery technology and partial electrification is considered - for example a class of train that will run on overhead from Cardiff to north of Bristol and on 3rd rail from Southampton to Portsmouth, batteries recharged at either end, and perhaps with short sections or rapid charges between.   The longer term MUST be addresses - beyond the 158s - but in my view we don't have the luxury of time on the current fleet just to wait for those marvellous new trains.

** Prognosis - services

There are lots of marvellous but somewhat pious and as yet unfunded suggestions for growth, which I applaud.  But yet none of them is going to be delivered this year, and there's a massive question mark over what rolling stock would be used if it was.  Until more trains / carriages are operationally available for passenger service on a daily basis, we must be very careful about adding any more diagrams!

What - could save trains?  I am not advocating any of these
Terminate Cardiff - Portsmouth at Southampton and use an electric train beyond.
Start Cardiff - Portsmouth trains at Bristol and let TfW run from Bristol hourly to Swansea
Have Bristol - Southampton services call Keynsham and Oldfield Park and remove 3rd Bristol-Westbury service
Run Cheltenham Spa - London trains only as far as Swindon.
Other bi-mode savings by making people change trains at Bristol for Weston-super-mare (onto other existing services) and at Cardiff for Swansea and Carmarthen (then use class 387 electric units London - Cardiff

** In summary

Oh dear - the rail industry has failed to meet promises made by its masters, for whatever reasons. However, we need IMHO to continue to work with them - and the superb people that make up much of their team - to have provision of a cost effective rail system that will take people safely where they want to go, when they want to go, and in humane conditions.

Re: Local government reorganisation across Oxfordshire
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [377143/32241/9]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:15, 17th July 2026
Already liked by ray951
 
Back to Oxfordshire - Words (almost) fail me!

I cannot think of any local government reorganisation proposal that is as badly thought out as this (and the competition over the last 50 years is pretty fierce), in particular, the one that affects me directly, the proposed new Ridgeway Council.

Where do I start? You only need look at the map to see the following-

1 – The transport network, road and rail, covering the area makes it impossible to chose a sensible seat of government for the area. There is nowhere that has good connections with all of Newbury, Hungerford, Lambourn and the Kennet valley; Didcot, Abingdon, Wantage and Wallingford and each of Henley, Faringdon, Watlington and Thame. If service departments from the county, West Berkshire Unitary and current districts are to be combined, they are going to have to keep or open a network of maintenance depots and outstation offices to serve the area adequately. And before any idiot starts parroting the usual gibberish about “well everything is on-line these days”, you cannot maintain and inspect roads, schools, leisure centres, day-care facilities, parks and nature reserves, waste and recycling depots, deliver adult social services or carry out site meetings and inspections from your laptop. It all points to an inefficient and costly geographical structure.

2- There’s going to be a huge amount of time and money spent in administrative re-organisation. Unless West Berks (as an established unitary authority) is simply going to step in and assume the role for all functions currently reserved to the county in Oxfordshire, there will be across the board redundancy consultations across at least three authorities. South Oxon and Vale of White Horse currently sharing many (most?) district-level functions, but there will be duplication with West Berks on these and with the to-be abolished Oxfordshire on the remainder.

3 – The boundaries of the authority make no sense. There’s a substantial part of the built-up area of Reading in West Berks – most of Tilehurst, all of Calcot, Purley and Theale. All have good bus links to Reading town centre, two have stations on lines into Reading. Yet South Oxfordshire and the Vale are losing land to the new Central Oxfordshire authority. There will now be a single council whose elected members will be making decisions on places they probably couldn’t find on a map. Lumping the towns I refer to above is simply ridiculous.

4 – This is also going to perpetuate the battles between the Oxfordshire authorities on the sharing out of housing allocations. Central Oxfordshire will refuse to increase housing numbers, Ridgeway will try to put them all in Thame and Didcot but face pressure from Reading to bear their share of their numbers, North Oxfordshire and Ridgeway will push back against Central Oxfordshire, pointing out (correctly) that there’s plenty of “grey belt” around the city, so none of them will produce compliant local plans.

5 – A lot of time, effort and resources has been spent in recent years on county-wide matters in Berkshire and Oxfordshire. I have participated in the formulation of a Local Nature Recovery Strategy alongside dozens of local naturalists that was co-ordinated and funded by Central Government, and a similar strategy has been developed in Oxfordshire, both processes resulting in formal adoption of the strategies by the relevant authorities last autumn. There are Fire and Rescue services, Local Enterprise Partnerships, and many voluntary organisations and groups are organised on a cross-county basis. What happens to all these? I expect OxRAIL 2040 will remain in the drawer….

I await (with some trepidation) the next move in the proposals in bringing forward a combined mayorality for Berkshire, Oxfordshire (and possibly Swindon). There’s an uncomfortable feeling that by the time this comes to fruition the new unitary authorities will have all invested in staff, premises and resources for the functions that will then by appropriated to this authority, so more waste and confusion will arise.

As a Berkshire person, there’s just one possible positive outcome. Much of Ridgeway was in Berkshire before the 1974 local government changes. I think it’s about time we reclaimed that land! Ridgeway for Berkshire – NOW!

Re: King Charles III - becoming a proficient barman
In "Introductions and chat" [377141/31289/1]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:42, 17th July 2026
 
King Charles III is becoming a proficient barman: a video news report, from the BBC, at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c74gl17w1y2o

It's a video news item, so you'll need to click on that link to the BBC to enjoy it. 

Proficient? Still some way to go, Brian. The tide was out further on that pint than low tide at Weston-super-Mare!

You lower the glass down the swan neck as you reach the end of the main pour (displacement innit?) with one small final pull, with the sparkler just below the head, to top the ale off. Some ales benefit from a 60 second rest after the main pour for head formation.

JayMac: Bass Cellarman certificate awarded 1990. All my own work. I didn't have a wife 'helping'. 

................and what do you do? 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377140/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:34, 17th July 2026
 
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58
15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

17:45 Swindon to Westbury due 18:26
17:45 Swindon to Westbury due 18:26 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Re: Stonehenge - Love it or hate it?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377139/32211/31]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:40, 17th July 2026
 
Ambivalent. But would like to get my drone up there. Although that would be limited to the south of the stones as they are bisected by a No Fly Zone.

Best way to avoid the crowds !  I got this from a light aircraft - followed by a hard 180° turn to clear Boscombe Down airspace.


Re: Investigation into parking tickets for drivers queuing at petrol stations
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377138/32243/51]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:22, 17th July 2026
 
It must be remembered that a lot of these private parking companies are just former cowboy clampers in a suit and tie.

I've never wavered in my opinion of private parking companies. Scum of the earth.

Yes..............and No !

The basic problem is that for every "cowboy clamper" there is, there are thousands of "cowboy parkers". The current law is a mess because successive governments have tried to solve the parking problem with a one Law covers it all approach- it doesn't !!  I live in an apartment block, we have 2 car parks and a Private approach road. All of these are fair game for a cowboys looking to park somewhere for free. The only legal solution we have is to employ a parking company. Some of which are undoubtedly run by get-rich- quick merchants.
If you own a house with front on-site parking there is nothing you can do to stop other people parking there - other than a gate, a chain or some other physical barrier. If they are already there, you are powerless until they drive away.

If we (where I live) were allowed to clamp people parking on our property, the problem could be solved almost over night. No money involved - just clamp them and greatly inconvenience the parking cowboy. The message would soon get home when people realise that the property owner can use clamps - or similar.

Of course the problem is not helped by local Councils continually reducing the roadside parking times and upping car park fees - and then outsource the parking control to a bunch of potential cowboys  ...........but I won't do down that rabbit hole.

Re: Local government reorganisation across Oxfordshire
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [377137/32241/9]
Posted by CyclingSid at 12:22, 17th July 2026
 
... may have implications for transport, including rail, across the county. Article from the Oxford Clarion, which among other things wonders what now happens to the work done on the County Council's OxRAIL 2040 project.

Mark

https://oxfordclarion.uk/the-final-cut-its-three-councils/

If it happens West Berkshire will be happy that they don't have to have any connection with Reading. They probably moan that they didn't get there to include Swindon.

Can't many advantages to West Berks, it has been a unitary authority for over 30 years. Like the rest of Berkshire unitaries they were full of grand ideas until it cam to coughing up the money.

Re: Stonehenge - Love it or hate it?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377136/32211/31]
Posted by Mark A at 12:21, 17th July 2026
Already liked by johnneyw
 
Think it was just about my only visit to Stonehenge, as a small child, despite the presence of the roads, the setting, sun-baked, impressed. As did, at one point, the passage overhead, low, of a large moth-shaped jet-powered aircraft, surreally thunderously skysplittingly noisy. I think I was about 14 before I heard something that loud again (a Lightning whose pilot saw fit to do a close pass across a Pembrokeshire hill-top...)

Mark

Re: Stonehenge - Love it or hate it?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377135/32211/31]
Posted by CyclingSid at 12:14, 17th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Was posted to the Royal School of Artillery at Larkhill. Had never been to Stonehenge, rolled over in the morning and saw this thing poking out of the snow (remember that stuff) ain't it small. Well it was at that distance!

Being a typical drunken squaddy tended to be more interested in the "cultural" lure of the The Stones pub on the roundabout at Durrington.

Visits since, recommend looking at Woodhenge, especially if you have had a chance read about the context of the sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodhenge. Would also not recommend paying the price of an official visit to Stonehenge if you have been there before, walk down the footpath from the bus stop at Larkhill. You only end up being about 10m further from the stones.

Personally I find the area more atmospheric in a cold damp drizzle, probably an ex-sqaddy affliction by time spent on Salisbury Plain Training Area.

Re: Stonehenge - Love it or hate it?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377134/32211/31]
Posted by Mark A at 11:53, 17th July 2026
 
One great merit of stonehenge, is the debunking of American conspiracy theories. A common one is that the earth has tilted upon its axis, and that the tilt is worsening. This is proved by the many persons who claim the sun now shines through previously shaded windows.
May be answered by "In England we have a very ancient monument (much older than america). The sun still rises in the same position, relative to the stones, as it has done for thousands of years"

This is good. Also looking forward to the long answer. :-)

Mark

Re: King Charles III - becoming a proficient barman
In "Introductions and chat" [377133/31289/1]
Posted by Clan Line at 09:27, 17th July 2026
 
King Charles III is becoming a proficient barman:

Perhaps not !  Today's Telegraph............



Re: Local government reorganisation across Oxfordshire
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [377132/32241/9]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:26, 17th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Witham Bobby, eightonedee
 
Likewise Devonshire although we have raised Oxfordshire's plan by one council; Devon County Council and eight district councils together with the two existing unitary authorities - Plymouth & Torbay - are to be replaced by four new unitary authorities - 'Greater Exeter', 'Greater Plymouth', 'Greater Torbay' (I've no idea what they are actually going to be called) and Devon Coast & Countryside.

Personal Opinion Alert: I have always thought, and said so in the online consultation (using more polite language), that this was, is, and will remain a completely crap proposal. Largely driven by the self-serving administrations in Plymouth, Torbay & Exeter who were seemingly more interested in retaining their own influences rather than acting in the interests of all Devonians. I think this will lead to the three urban-centric authorities sucking up all the commercial & financial resources of Devonshire with the new Devon Coast & Countryside unit left to deal with the scraps of a largely rural community stretching from Ilfracombe (N) to Start Point (S) and Holsworthy (W) to Axminster (E), around 110 miles in each direction.

FWIW my view was that three unitary authorities centered around Exeter, Plymouth & Barnstaple would have been a better model, which would have allowed the total population of c. 1,260,000 to be split into three bits of roughly equivalent size. Does Torbay warrant being a unitary authority in it's own right? Nah!

Re: Investigation into parking tickets for drivers queuing at petrol stations
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377131/32243/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:07, 17th July 2026
 
If the title of this thread is a true reflection of what is happening in some places on what planet is an 'investigation' required? Are we now being conditioned to not accept the evidence of our own eyes?

If it looks like a stalling tactic.....

Re: Stonehenge - Love it or hate it?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377130/32211/31]
Posted by broadgage at 07:32, 17th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Western Pathfinder, Oxonhutch, rogerw, Marlburian, eightonedee, johnneyw
 
One great merit of stonehenge, is the debunking of American conspiracy theories. A common one is that the earth has tilted upon its axis, and that the tilt is worsening. This is proved by the many persons who claim the sun now shines through previously shaded windows.
May be answered by "In England we have a very ancient monument (much older than america). The sun still rises in the same position, relative to the stones, as it has done for thousands of years"

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377129/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:30, 17th July 2026
 
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
Facilities on the 20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06.

This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

Re: Help shape the future of GWR travel
In "Across the West" [377128/32240/26]
Posted by Trowres at 23:34, 16th July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Whether it’s the ease of booking, the comfort of your seat, the confidence in your journey, or even what happens after you step off the train — we want to hear about it.

I can't help wondering how the customer profiling in the questions asked will be mapped onto the issues raised in the opening quotation.

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [377127/32149/40]
Posted by JayMac at 22:39, 16th July 2026
 
Wait seven decades for a coronation, then two come along in three years

Yep. Labour 2026. LibDems 2024.

Three in the last four years if we include the Conservatives in October 2022.

Four in the last four years if you include Charles III.

If we're just looking at the top three (based on number of MPs) Westminster parties, they've changed leaders unopposed five times in the 21st century.

If we include Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and smaller parties then there have been at least 28 coronations in the 21st century. Theresa May was half coronated in 2016. She won the first ballot of Conservative MPs with all other candidates withdrawing before the wider membership voted.

Incidentally, the Liberal Democrats have to have a leadership election in the first year after every General Election. It's in their constitution.

Re: King Charles III - becoming a proficient barman
In "Introductions and chat" [377126/31289/1]
Posted by JayMac at 22:07, 16th July 2026
 
King Charles III is becoming a proficient barman: a video news report, from the BBC, at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c74gl17w1y2o

It's a video news item, so you'll need to click on that link to the BBC to enjoy it. 

Proficient? Still some way to go, Brian. The tide was out further on that pint than low tide at Weston-super-Mare!

You lower the glass down the swan neck as you reach the end of the main pour (displacement innit?) with one small final pull, with the sparkler just below the head, to top the ale off. Some ales benefit from a 60 second rest after the main pour for head formation.

JayMac: Bass Cellarman certificate awarded 1990. All my own work. I didn't have a wife 'helping'. 

 
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