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| Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380113/32456/31] Posted by Mark A at 14:14, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
A resident, after three suspicious vehicles were seen in the village in the early hours of Sunday morning:
“Evidently, they phoned the airbase police, who didn’t answer the phone,” he said of the person who reported the sighting. “It just rang out so she dialled 999.”
| Yatton proposed housing: aerial photo of the Yatton - Witham line In "Railway History and related topics" [380112/32550/55] Posted by Mark A at 13:33, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
The old railway line conspicuous in the middle distance. The land proposed for housing there is named on old maps as 'The Batch', meaning "a brook, stream, or a valley through which a stream flows", so that's ok then**.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/sep/27/high-court-floodplains-development-safety-test-north-somerset-yatton
** Not ok.
| Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380111/32456/31] Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:42, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
Reports are coming in of a "major incident" at RAF Fairford.
Suspects have been detained, and several charged with offences under the explosives act.
A number of residents have been evacuated.
There seems no likelihood of direct consequences for food or fuel supplies, but it another example of the threats that we face, that could have wider consequences.
suggested viewing "The fourth protocol"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Protocol_(film)
Suspects have been detained, and several charged with offences under the explosives act.
A number of residents have been evacuated.
There seems no likelihood of direct consequences for food or fuel supplies, but it another example of the threats that we face, that could have wider consequences.
suggested viewing "The fourth protocol"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Protocol_(film)
Are you writing that from the bunker? Has the family sized jar of pickled eggs been deployed?
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380110/32546/13] Posted by John D at 12:41, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
As I understand it, the current track layout means that HEx paths can't just be used for more Lizzie trains instead, other than for (little needed) non-stop trains to Paddington only. HEx runs on the fast lines into Paddington main line station so taking them away wouldn't help access to the slow lines or the Lizzie core; trying to use the paths for a different purpose might well just add more conflicting moves and make things worse. It might I suppose give a bit more resilience for fast GWR trains. No doubt Heathrow's owners would have cried foul if a different layout had been proposed with an unspoken aim of eventually reducing/removing HEx.
They could instead be used by other trains running fast, then switching to the slow / relief lines further out. South Western has done this for decades with trains running fast to between Berrylands and Surbiton (beyond where the branches to Kingston and via Motspur Park branch off), then switching to slow tracks. A similar thing happens at Woking with trains to Basingstoke and Alton etc.
The GWR layout of paired by use makes it harder, but there is no reason why high speed crossovers and a flyover (in the Iver / Langley area) wouldn't allow similar too. There is the speed restricted Dolphin Junction (which doesn't seem to work on a warm summer day) which Network Rail are currently spending £27m upgrading.
Heathrow Express had its track access agreement extended in June 2024, with access granted to continue until June 2028. Previously there were number of end dates eg 2018, 2021 etc based on estimated Crossrail opening dates.
As far as I'm aware no further extension has yet been authorised. Unless it is extended again HEx ends in 21 months time.
| Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380109/32456/31] Posted by broadgage at 12:18, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
Reports are coming in of a "major incident" at RAF Fairford.
Suspects have been detained, and several charged with offences under the explosives act.
A number of residents have been evacuated.
There seems no likelihood of direct consequences for food or fuel supplies, but it another example of the threats that we face, that could have wider consequences.
suggested viewing "The fourth protocol"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Protocol_(film)
It's not just train operators who have problems brought by infrastructure issues:
Is something wrong in the Pool of London this morning - Waverley hasn't left yet?
Cruise cancelled as Tower Bridge cannot give a time scale for the repair.
We are all getting off again
We are all getting off again
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35 is being delayed between Trowbridge and Melksham.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.
10:52 Westbury to Swindon due 11:35 is being delayed between Trowbridge and Melksham.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

Ah yes - West Country expresses diverted via the single line, which then causes a jam if one of them later that timetabled. A few minutes delay is not a problem (and neither are 2 and 3 carriage substations) provided that connections into sparse onward other services (trains or buses) are not missed.
| Re: A visit to Pilning - looking at the past, present and future In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [380106/18595/21] Posted by grahame at 11:19, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
I have written up my promised article at https://grahamellis.uk/blog1866.html
Section headers:
* Old History
* Recent History
* The Station today
* Local use of the station
* National what the future many bring
* So what the future may bring for Pilning
* Opinion
The opinion piece is a personal one - and some may disagree with me ...
Section headers:
* Old History
* Recent History
* The Station today
* Local use of the station
* National what the future many bring
* So what the future may bring for Pilning
* Opinion
The opinion piece is a personal one - and some may disagree with me ...
I have received in the post the October issue of RailWatch - the magazine of RailFuture - which includes a whole page article on Pilning. I have blurred the text here so that I'm bringing up the station again and helping keep it on the radar, but yet not crossing any Railfuture copyright lines.

Network Rail and (First) Great Western had a problem when electrifying the line. But some of the things done (and not done) by them to this day remain, in my opinion, very poor practise, leaving a bad taste and getting away with things they should not. At the same time, the local communities around the area were seeking outcomes which were unsustainable, and options which would have included a forward looking stations - bringing a much improved service and helping raise (for example) house values for current residents - were opposed in anticipation of potential negative side effects, even where those could have been mitigated.
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380105/32546/13] Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:15, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
Is there something I've missed?
I've always thought that the arrival of the Elizabeth Line should have heralded the end of Heathrow Express. Passenger numbers have dropped by a third from the figures for the last year before Covid, to an average of less than 100 passengers per train - approximately 85 if my maths is correct. All on an 8-car 387 trains which are far less 'premium' than the previous Class 332s they replaced, taking up four departure and arrival paths an hour at Paddington.
Not a good use of track capacity by any metric.
When the Old Oak Common station opens it will need to stop there, thus further diluting the speed advantage it has over the Elizabeth Line. In my opinion the paths it could free up would be better allocated to longer distance services operated by either GBR or an open access operator, rather than more Elizabeth Line services. My opinion on that could be swayed if a way of routing some of the Elizabeth Line services from the east that currently terminate at Paddington onto the main lines to still give a comparable journey time could be found without crossing them over on the flat, but a grade separated junction would be very expensive. When Old Oak Common opens the 90mph top speed of the 345s would be less of an issue on the main lines out to Airport Junction as their better acceleration would mean little difference in the sectional running times with that intermediate stop included.
However, in effect, the way the service is structured means it can continue to operate for as long as its owners want it to.
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380104/32546/13] Posted by Mark A at 11:13, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
A simple division of number of trains run in revenue service versus passenger numbers suggests ~80 passengers per 460 seat capacity HEX train - in context, HEX is a 15 minute frequency service from ~04.30am to a bit before midnight.
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380103/32546/13] Posted by Mark A at 11:00, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
HEX key stats from the ORR April 24-25.
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/tlbajaix/heathrow-express-key-stats.pdf
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380102/32546/13] Posted by Noggin at 10:47, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
I've never understood the apparent antipathy from some which seems to exist towards the Heathrow Express.
Seems to me it's a premium product largely for a specific demographic who are prepared to pay a bit more for speed, comfort and convenience - I have only used it once but was quite impressed.
There's the Piccadilly Line if you're feeling brave/not in a rush, buses and now the Elizabeth Line too - I don't see how the existence of another option impacts them?
Is there something I've missed?
Seems to me it's a premium product largely for a specific demographic who are prepared to pay a bit more for speed, comfort and convenience - I have only used it once but was quite impressed.
There's the Piccadilly Line if you're feeling brave/not in a rush, buses and now the Elizabeth Line too - I don't see how the existence of another option impacts them?
Is there something I've missed?
Absolutely - a dedicated airport express rail service is a big selling point for premium and business travellers, for whom time, comfort and security are major concerns.
It may sound, and indeed be trivial, but rather like being able to reclaim VAT on your shopping, it is genuinely the sort of thing that pushes the wealthy (and thus high-spending) to say "sod that, I'll go to Stockholm/Paris/Amsterdam/Rome instead".
Paris did it the other way around, since 1981, CDG has been served by the RER. The result? Well heeled travellers tend not to bother with it and take taxis instead, so they are now building an express service into Gare de l'Est.
London is already suffering massively from perceptions of high crime, not being in the Schengen area, high cost of accommodation and restaurants - why hobble it further?
| Re: Manvers Street, Bath, disrupted for reconstruction works for 6 months from May. In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380101/31887/5] Posted by Mark A at 10:02, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
The symptoms, a year before the work began, were a bit peculiar - you'd see sections of road, in the wet, where, when heavy vehicles crossed them, a section of road surface would 'Rock' and produce a fountain of muddy liquid at the edges that could be a foot high. Another - the collapsed vault in St James's Parade that's been dealt with by making the road one way while they sort out the permissions - the slab of reinforcing beneath the road surface there was rocking and happily emitting a deep 'Boom' when a bus rolled over it. Ditto for a section of road in Lewins Mead, Bristol - really noisy but luckily no residential properties nearby.
An aspect of the Manvers Street work is that the pavements alongside, on the east especially, are poor to very poor and I don't think there are plans to address this. In particular the vehicle access to what was the police station, for people on foot, has a ludicrous transverse gradient - to the extent that it must at best feel perilous for anyone who uses a wheelchair. The works to the road have rather broken these up so let's see what's done.
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380100/32546/13] Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:59, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
I've never understood the apparent antipathy from some which seems to exist towards the Heathrow Express.
Seems to me it's a premium product largely for a specific demographic who are prepared to pay a bit more for speed, comfort and convenience - I have only used it once but was quite impressed.
There's the Piccadilly Line if you're feeling brave/not in a rush, buses and now the Elizabeth Line too - I don't see how the existence of another option impacts them?
Is there something I've missed?
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380099/32546/13] Posted by Ralph Ayres at 09:44, 27th September 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
As I understand it, the current track layout means that HEx paths can't just be used for more Lizzie trains instead, other than for (little needed) non-stop trains to Paddington only. HEx runs on the fast lines into Paddington main line station so taking them away wouldn't help access to the slow lines or the Lizzie core; trying to use the paths for a different purpose might well just add more conflicting moves and make things worse. It might I suppose give a bit more resilience for fast GWR trains. No doubt Heathrow's owners would have cried foul if a different layout had been proposed with an unspoken aim of eventually reducing/removing HEx.
| Re: Manvers Street, Bath, disrupted for reconstruction works for 6 months from May. In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380098/31887/5] Posted by grahame at 09:13, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
An update from Bath - Manvers Street, 26 Sept 2026





| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380097/32546/13] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:37, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
For our Singapore trip next month we each paid £6.65 each way for railcard discounted, admittedly purchased in May, HEx journeys. The full price would have been £10.00 each way. The equivalent Elizabeth Line fare is £14.60 according to the TfL website. The apparent claim that a HEx journey always costs £26 seems to support the Grauniad's reputation for accuracy.
Extra paths for Elizabeth Line (EL) services? EL trains run on the Relief Lines. The 345's have a 90mph maximum speed. The HEx 387's can run at up to 110mph and stick to the Fast Lines. The stuff of timetabling nightmares?
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380096/32546/13] Posted by Mark A at 08:03, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
An issue is going to be the number of train paths that it consumes and I'm not familiar with that... is it taking resources that could be used in a far better way perhaps?
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380095/32546/13] Posted by Mark A at 08:00, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
Those quotes... Seven is just plain rude in the usual way. Ten I feel sorry for as they're frequent travellers but need a friend to help them evolve their packing routine. I bet on going through their luggage, you'd find a kitchen sink, induction cooker and goodness knows what else.
| Re: Why are buses getting slower? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380094/32544/5] Posted by GBM at 07:34, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
I went into Bath yesterday - slowed down by many of these issues. Joined bus at 11:51, got off at Grand Parade in Bath at 12:52. So that took 61 minutes. Busy - both on the bus and on the roads. The time scheduled is 11:48 to 12:35 - 47 minutes - and of an evening an inbound bus can have a timetable as brisk as 40 minutes, with fewer inbound passengers and fewer other vehicles on the road, and that timetable can be met.
Unfortunately no increase in times for weekends or bank holiday; I found more passengers at those times, added to reduced schedule times (and reduced frequency), and drivers struggled (also failed) to keep to time.
Oh dear ... and thank for documenting the connection failures of normal service trains - so valuable to have them written up and becoming part of the weight of data that keeps reminding us here (and providing us to keep reminding operation and operation planning teams) that whilst a few minutes delay might not sound like very much, or indeed be very much if taking you to your endpoint, it's very important indeed if it results in a missed onward thin service.
Having identified an issue, we should be asking
* is it really an issue and if so
* what should be done to help reduce it?
Looking at the connection that failed for you close to my home
* Insufficient line capacity Swindon -> Thingley
* Insufficient frequency Westbury westwards
I was about to add "poor dispatch at Westbury" if one was truly pulling out as the other pulled in - however, I suspect you were hoping to connect with less than the 5 minutes needed for an official connection if I'm reading the timetables right. I was also templed to add something about the insufficient frequency of the Swindon to Westbury service - however, whilst that's still pretty poor (far better than in was 15 years ago) it doesn't look like that was a contributory factor. You MIGHT add that the Bristol express was the root cause of the failure and that needs to be like at too. The Bristol train left Paddington on time but lost a lot of minutes before Reading - and there's a familiar story!
| Re: Why are buses getting slower? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380092/32544/5] Posted by grahame at 06:47, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?
Yes, but we are informed specialists, Mark, and as time passes and we continue to observe we become further informed and educated on these matters whereas the press and news feeds much address the whole of their audience which includes those who are younger and do't have as much life experience, or who's expertise is in other fields and they take just a skim-interest in travel.
Back on topic.
* Buses getting busier - more passengers boarding and leaving the bus
* Passengers staying seated until the bus stops / driver waiting for passengers to be seated before restarting
* A higher proportion of passengers with mobility / other issues that slow their boarding / leaving the bus
* Road congestion
* Routes being obfuscated by the addition of loops / routes through new housing and past new businesses
* New 20 mph speed limits
* Single door double deckers that increase passenger transit time from seat to and from door
* Consolidation of local "town" and interurban routes into a single one-journey-for-all vehicle
* Eased timetables with more generous catch up allowances to help better timekeeping
I went into Bath yesterday - slowed down by many of these issues. Joined bus at 11:51, got off at Grand Parade in Bath at 12:52. So that took 61 minutes. Busy - both on the bus and on the roads. The time scheduled is 11:48 to 12:35 - 47 minutes - and of an evening an inbound bus can have a timetable as brisk as 40 minutes, with fewer inbound passengers and fewer other vehicles on the road, and that timetable can be met.
| Re: Article on the Heathrow Express (and a touch of mission creep) In "Thames Valley Branches" [380091/32546/13] Posted by grahame at 06:20, 27th September 2026 | ![]() |
It's from the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/sep/26/kill-off-heathrow-express-airport-train-third-runway
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/sep/26/kill-off-heathrow-express-airport-train-third-runway
The obvious airport train, as unwary visitors often find out too late, may not be the best one. The Heathrow Express, which charges a whopping £26 for a 15- to 21-minute one-way hop, was long one of the most expensive airport connections around (at least until it was overtaken by the Luton Dart). It is, as advertised, technically the fastest way to central London, though passengers travelling beyond Paddington may reach their destination more quickly on the Elizabeth line or even the tube on a direct route.
For those who value the speed – in addition to TV news, a toilet and a luggage rack – it may be the perfect service. But the Heathrow Express was only used by 4.5 million passengers last year, a figure that represents, at best, less than 6% of Heathrow’s air passengers, with the number bolstered by airport staff on heavily discounted tickets.
For those who value the speed – in addition to TV news, a toilet and a luggage rack – it may be the perfect service. But the Heathrow Express was only used by 4.5 million passengers last year, a figure that represents, at best, less than 6% of Heathrow’s air passengers, with the number bolstered by airport staff on heavily discounted tickets.
I follow a number of International passenger travel social media feeds, and (something of a co-incidence?) I had stored some elements of a discussion yesterday morning to come back to here on the Coffee Shop. A member advised
I took the Heathrow Express on a recent trip to London, based on recommendations from this group. 15 minutes from LHR to central London sounds great.
But it is a 15-20 minute walk from the terminal to the train platform. Plus the time to wait for the train. Plus the time to walk through Paddington Station to the taxi stand. Plus the time to take a taxi from Paddington to your hotel. In total, it took us over an hour to get from LHR to our hotel, about the same as a taxi. All while trying to drag our luggage behind us.
The cost for two train tickets plus the cab from Paddington to our hotel was a little less than the cost of a cab from LHR. If we had 4 people, the cost of the cab would have been less.
Keep that in mind if you're flying into LHR. It might be better to take a cab for about the same time and cost, but much greater ease (especially with luggage)
But it is a 15-20 minute walk from the terminal to the train platform. Plus the time to wait for the train. Plus the time to walk through Paddington Station to the taxi stand. Plus the time to take a taxi from Paddington to your hotel. In total, it took us over an hour to get from LHR to our hotel, about the same as a taxi. All while trying to drag our luggage behind us.
The cost for two train tickets plus the cab from Paddington to our hotel was a little less than the cost of a cab from LHR. If we had 4 people, the cost of the cab would have been less.
Keep that in mind if you're flying into LHR. It might be better to take a cab for about the same time and cost, but much greater ease (especially with luggage)
Various interesting responses included
I always stay at the Premier Inn Paddington Station. Take the Elizabeth line. Cheaper than Heathrow Express. Hotel is literally across the street from the station and great jumping off point for all areas of London.
Has anyone ever made the recommendation to call the hotel front desk and ask them? I assure you they have all that info ready for guests
Driving will certainly take a lot longer but yes Heathrow Express is an unnecessary rip off. Even before the elizabeth line, the piccadilly line couldve got you where you needed to go if you were willing to change trains for a fraction of the price.
That aside, i would still recommend the express before i recommended a cab to any visitor. It simply isnt worth it. Most real Londoners wont travel that way for a reason. Its worth dealing with a busier train and luggage 99% of the time.
That aside, i would still recommend the express before i recommended a cab to any visitor. It simply isnt worth it. Most real Londoners wont travel that way for a reason. Its worth dealing with a busier train and luggage 99% of the time.
No Londoner has ever taken the Heathrow Express twice.
Some first time visitors were trying to argue with me (why?) the other day
THE HX does not even stop at T4. So if you arrive there there's literally no justification ever for taking it into the centre
Some first time visitors were trying to argue with me (why?) the other day
THE HX does not even stop at T4. So if you arrive there there's literally no justification ever for taking it into the centre
Tell me your from the USA without telling me (and that you did zero actual research….)If you booked in advance it would only be £10 each on the Heathrow express and it’s less on the Elizabeth line or Piccadilly line - which might also take you closer to your hotel. The walk at Paddington is less than five minutes, less if you take the walkway from the northern end of the platform. And depending on the time of day a taxi from Heathrow is 90 minutes if not more especially at rush hour. What are you trying to do? Save time or money?
really depends where your hotel is. I do regular subway from Heathrow - best $7 spent.
That's why I stick to the Underground, especially since the Elizabeth line opened! I only rarely take a taxi in London. The tube is the way to go. And once I switched to a carry on sized suitcase life is much easier!
My son lives in London & has helped me on 2 of my 12 visits (since 6/1/2022) to get to his home, via the tube system, as he works. But because of my maximum weight suitcase, carry on suitcase, and backpack (I stay 16-24 days), I just cannot physically do that on my own. I was taking black cabs from Heathrow, but they are very pricey. So now I take Ubers to his home & back to Heathrow for about half the price! It is worth the approximate $65-75 each way to have help with luggage & being delivered to his doorstep.
OP reply
For those suggesting the Elizabeth Line or (un-air-conditioned) Picadilly line, those might be a lot cheaper, and might work if you are traveling alone with only a small carry-on. But I can't imagine navigating either with larger luggage, especially with rush-hour commuter crowds.
And those trains take a lot longer to get into central London, plus you still have the very long walk from the airport terminal to the train platform. And unless your hotel is right near one of the train stops, you still have to manage to get from the train to your hotel.
The only advantage here is they're cheaper. But in my mind, they're not enough cheaper to be worth the hassle of managing luggage versus the ease and convenience of door-to-door service of cab or Uber.
And those trains take a lot longer to get into central London, plus you still have the very long walk from the airport terminal to the train platform. And unless your hotel is right near one of the train stops, you still have to manage to get from the train to your hotel.
The only advantage here is they're cheaper. But in my mind, they're not enough cheaper to be worth the hassle of managing luggage versus the ease and convenience of door-to-door service of cab or Uber.
How far was your hotel from Paddington and how far in advance did you book the Heathrow Express? Both are highly relevant to whether it makes sense to use it.
The Elizabeth line is the best option for most travellers between Heathrow and central London. Heathrow Express is a rip-off unless you get cheap advance tickets and are going somewhere near Paddington, its only destination.
The Elizabeth line is the best option for most travellers between Heathrow and central London. Heathrow Express is a rip-off unless you get cheap advance tickets and are going somewhere near Paddington, its only destination.
Sounds like you should have used google maps to get to the right tube stop
I always take the Piccadilly or Elizabeth line (whichever is closer to my destination) to and from London. It’s an hour with the Piccadilly line, a taxi takes longer: traffic jams are real. The Elizabeth line is roomier and faster (and therefore more expensive at about 15 pounds). Used to take the H Express because I would often stay at a hotel near Paddington, but it’s only super fast if you’re staying in that area. I also travel a lot during rush hour (because of evening flights) and it’s a bit of a hassle but doable and it usually gets a lot better after a couple of stops. I travel alone (usually for work), so nobody to share an expensive taxi bill with.
Has the Heathrow Express had its day?
The 2026 Heathrow Express is a service and not a line that gives public transport links to places that would not be otherwise connected. And perhaps it has been superceded by the Elizabeth Line for practical use and is hanging on, charging as much as it dares and not really providing the reach to central London's locations (hotels or homes in Town or in the suburbs) that people want. Sure, there are places to stay around Paddington, but Paddington is not London.
Persoanally, I have caught it - as far as I can recall - once. And like most Coffee Shop members live to the west of Heathrow, and would be doubling back in using it. Furthermore, I haven't flown in years - and to/from Heathrow that's for many years. Can't think when I would use it expect "in extremis". I suspect that as an element of a travel and transit system considering total journeys of the users, it could be replaced by something better using the paths. As an income generator, it works but by carrying a significant proportion of people who know no better as well as the people (and there will be some) for whom it's ideal and its loss would be a worsening of their experience.
Looking forward? I might advocate Heathrow Express paths being given over to an increased frequency of Elizabeth Line services running - on the core to Whitechapel at least - at a true metro frequency. Perhaps some skip-stopping (alternate trains only calling at Acton Main Line or West Ealing, for example) and ongoing services to Shenfield and to Woolwich, and how about to Stansted? Direct from Heathrow also gives - via the Piccadilly line - a further slew of stations in Central London served, including St Pancras International, and Kings Cross.
Old Oak Common gives (or will give, looking way ahead when it opens) further connectional opportunities, and all of the above mentiones / discusses are to the east of the airport with - still - direct rail links north, south or west absent and not even under construction.
| Re: Why are buses getting slower? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380090/32544/5] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:56, 26th September 2026 | ![]() |
Going back to the Guardian article referred to by MarkA, there are a number of questions raised that are not addressed by what I thought was something of a rambling, unfocused piece.
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Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?
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Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?
You make a number of very good points there, eightonedee - thank you for posting.
Are we in danger of classing The Guardian - or indeed the Daily Mail - as "the quality press" in the UK?
Again, that's my personal opinion, not the official view from the Coffee Shop forum.
CfN.

| Re: Why are buses getting slower? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380089/32544/5] Posted by eightonedee at 23:28, 26th September 2026 Already liked by Mark A, Red Squirrel, johnneyw, rogerw | ![]() |
Going back to the Guardian article referred to by MarkA, there are a number of questions raised that are not addressed by what I thought was something of a rambling, unfocused piece.
Firstly, there's no mention of the impact of other competing modes of public transport. The reduction in the number of journeys since 2013 quoted (300m), most of which occurred after Covid, is not that different to the number of passengers now carried by the Elizabeth Line (254m) which opened at about the same time. The Overground seems to have improved and is now marketed much more actively, and although the traditional tube lines have (I understand) lost out to the Elizabeth Line, this must make them more attractive to anyone who used buses in the past to avoid the crush of the Tube. Is this as much a "modal shift" caused by investment in other modes of transport?
Secondly, there seems some confusion in the message or conclusion of the piece. It starts off on the tack that "delays are driving passengers from the buses in London", but later produces some international comparisons showing that actually bus speeds have not declined significantly in London compared to the selection of 11 other major cities overseas for which comparable figures have been obtained. Having waffled on about Livingstone's bendy buses, Boris's "new" Routemasters and Kahn's electric buses (none of which are relevant to the issue of what is causing any delays), there's then an attempt to explain growing delays on various causes, ignoring the international comparison graphic showing just a 1% reduction in bus speeds since 2013, and not instead looking at whether the greater delays in cities such as Singapore, Paris or Dublin have resulted in even greater reduction in passenger numbers.
Thirdly, the graphic showing the increase in delays across Greater London does show a marked geographical variation that is not commented upon nor investigated. There's a sector across the west, largely between the A40 in the north-west and A3 in the south-west where almost all routes show the higher reduction in speeds (annoyingly, the scale is not shown, but if the colour segments are consistent, it looks like most are 12% slower or more, whereas there are many areas where the delays are under 4%). Why is this? Is it reflected in a greater decrease in ridership in West London?
Is it just me, or is anyone else frustrated by the lack of insight shown by so many transport articles like this that appear in what is meant to be "the quality press"?
Many thanks for your illustrated post, PhilWakely.
This is no reflection on, nor blame attached to, our Coffee Shop forum member here, Clan Line - just to clarify.

CfN.

I wanted to chase Clan Line to Kemble today (Saturday, 26th September 2026) as she was pulling the UK Railtours Worcester Pullman. The plan was......
06:33 Pinhoe to Exeter St David's;
07:00 Exeter St David's to Reading;
<hopefully phot Clan Line passing Reading at 09:48>
09:58 Reading to Kemble
<hopefully phot Clan Line from the train as we overtake her in the Thames Valley>
<phot Clan Line entering Kemble and during her 20 minute stopover>
12:49 Kemble to Swindon;
13:13 Swindon to Westbury;
13:58 Westbury to Exeter St David's.
FELL AT THE FIRST!
06:33 Pinhoe to Exeter St David's was 13 minutes late and arrived at St David's just as the 07:00 to Paddington was pulling out, so quick change of plan...
07:30 Exeter St David's to Didcot Parkway (Via Bristol TM)
<phot Clan Line passing Didcot Parkway>
<phot Clan Line from my passing train as she took on water just west of Didcot>
10:12 Didcot Parkway to Kemble;
FAILURE NUMBER 2 as Clan Line was running late and passed Didcot just as my train to Kemble was pulling out!
Oh well, all should be fine at Kemble as Clan Line was due a 20 minute stopover and should be clear of any Up services!
How wrong I was! FAILURE NUMBER 3 as the Up 11:49 Paddington service pulled into the platform 10 minutes late just as Clan Line was arriving! So, the planned platform level shot of Clan Line was sacrificed for a shot from the footbridge. Oh well, at least a shot from the top of the platform was on as Clan Line stopped for the planned 20 minutes - holding up a late running Down Cheltenham service that should have passed 12 minutes ahead of Clan Line!
I departed Kemble as planned at 12:49 to connect with the TransWilts service at 13:13.
FAILURE NUMBER 4 as the TransWilts was held at Swindon for 8 minutes to allow a late running Down Bristol service to pass, thus resulting in a Westbury arrival just as my Exeter St David's service was departing!
Oh well, a chance for a two hour kip in the Westbury waiting room!




| Re: First Bus pulling out of Cornwall, 14.2.2026 In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380086/31133/5] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:56, 26th September 2026 | ![]() |
Thank you for your informative and tactful update post here, LiskeardRich.
I note the wording in your profile footer text: we have no problem with that.
Chris from Nailsea.

| Re: The M23 Flixbus incident In "Buses and other ways to travel" [380084/32528/5] Posted by LiskeardRich at 22:25, 26th September 2026 | ![]() |
Flixbus - the Ryanair of buses? 
Again, that is my personal opinion, certainly not the official view from the Coffee Shop forum.
CfN.

Again, that is my personal opinion, certainly not the official view from the Coffee Shop forum.
CfN.

Worse, based on my encounters of them!














