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Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple: services, facilities, incidents and events
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [380874/15711/24]
Posted by grahame at 10:48, 14th October 2026
 
GWR have to be hauled screaming and kicking to any improvements in service unless someone else is paying. The Paignton half hour service only came about by being kick started by EU funding an extra shuttle train between Paignton  and Newton Abbot.

Before then, The Torre schools return traffic was served by a London HST stopping there.

Sure, but then that's the nature of the beast of any franchised train operating company.  Provide:
1. Enough to fulfil your contract with the DfT
2. Whatever else you can make a profit on by local authority, EU and other scheme grants.
3. Any extras where you have the resources and can make a significant extra profit (but far better if your resources are scarse to proved under option (2) - grants)
4. Where you have leeway, arrange items 1, 2 and 3 to maximise the farebox take.
5. There will be occasional circumstances for "PR Reasons" where extras are provided - I can think of the Barnstaple bus strengthening which may be an example.


Maybe after nationalisation something might happen but are there any Labour MPs in situ?
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Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses
In "Fare's Fair" [380873/32609/4]
Posted by grahame at 10:33, 14th October 2026
 
Can't find it mentioned herein but RRB timings generally appear on RTT so if anybody is required to use an RRB recording of the booked & actual start and end journey times and locations might be a good idea.

If it all goes pear-shaped you should then have some data to use in a DR claim.

Scheduled time, yes ... actual running times, no.   Here is the bus I photographed at Melksham Station at 15:15 on Monday, and how it is shown on Real Time Trains:





And here are pictures from 14:58 and 15:13 showing the line very much in use.   Passenger train too - pity it didn't stop to serve passengers!




Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple: services, facilities, incidents and events
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [380872/15711/24]
Posted by REVUpminster at 10:12, 14th October 2026
 
GWR have to be hauled screaming and kicking to any improvements in service unless someone else is paying. The Paignton half hour service only came about by being kick started by EU funding an extra shuttle train between Paignton  and Newton Abbot.

Before then, The Torre schools return traffic was served by a London HST stopping there.

Maybe after nationalisation something might happen but are there any Labour MPs in situ?

The Kingskerwell by-pass only got authorised, after 40 years lobbying, by the 2010 coalition government because Torbay had a liberal MP>

Re: What's the biggest saving you can make by splitting your tickets?
In "Fare's Fair" [380871/9439/4]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:30, 14th October 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
So it eased the transition to keep a sixpence as 21/2p and the half crown as 121/2p.

The half crown was demonetised before D-day - I know because it caused me to have a 20% pay cut, which as a 10 year old stung painfully. My grandma, bless her memory, used to give me a half crown when I visited her, and this reduced to a florin when the half-crown was withdrawn. Sixpence bought a 10 year old quite a bit in 1970.

Re: Llandegley International Airport - billboard to be removed
In "The Lighter Side" [380870/26870/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:54, 14th October 2026
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Posting on behalf of  "Kai (posts as kai_oddcorners)" ... not verified by myself, so can't vouch for how tall the story is, but it looks feasible.

Small update for anyone who found this thread after the 2022 news, because the removal wasn't the end of it.

The sign came back. After the November 2022 piece, a crowdfunding round (slogan: give us a sign) raised about 2,000 pounds against a 1,300 pound target, the surplus going to the Wales Air Ambulance for the aviation link. A new sign went up in May 2023, east of the village, on the Richards family's land, where the landowner has let it stand without charge. So the airport is still signposted - just from a different field, and now paid for by the people who liked the joke rather than by the man who started it. He kept the old one in his garden in Devon.

The detail I can't get past is the numbering. It reads "Terminals 1 and 3", and always has. There is no Terminal 2, and never was. Which means the running gag about a top-secret Terminal 2 - the one they've kept going on the airport's Facebook page for years - is a joke about a number that isn't on the sign. Two decades of mythology out of a missing digit.

Worth it for his line on whether the place is real: "It exists in the same way songs exist."

And for the spoof-sign thread above (Totnes/Narnia, Twinned with Atlantis): the Llandegley sign is listed in Coflein, the Welsh national monuments record. Which is about as close as a practical joke gets to being scheduled.

Re: Holiday home in Torquay (Torre) anyone? - be aware of train noise
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [380869/24457/24]
Posted by RichardB at 08:45, 14th October 2026
 
You weren't tempted into making a bid, RichardB, for a possible retirement residence - close to the railway?

CfN. 

No, not in the slightest! Hopefully the new owner is able to do something with it.  It'll look great restored and in use again but it will take a huge amount of money to make progress and a lot of determination to navigate the way forward given access is only across the railway or through the storage facility behind the platform (and I have no idea how amenable they are to helping.)

Re: What's the biggest saving you can make by splitting your tickets?
In "Fare's Fair" [380868/9439/4]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 08:43, 14th October 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Only the copper coins were changed at decimalisation - the silver 6d, 1/-, 2/- and 2/6 (half crown) coins stayed in circulation, along with the 50p coin that had replaced the 10/- note. So it eased the transition to keep a sixpence as 21/2p and the half crown as 121/2p.

Plus I remember plenty of people being very angry that prices had been rounded up to the nearest half pee. Bear in mind that a half pee was worth more than an old penny.

Re: Flight Free UK
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [380867/32607/49]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:38, 14th October 2026
 
Who was the politician who once said 'On your bike' ?   

Norman Tebbit

Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses
In "Fare's Fair" [380866/32609/4]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:35, 14th October 2026
 
Can't find it mentioned herein but RRB timings generally appear on RTT so if anybody is required to use an RRB recording of the booked & actual start and end journey times and locations might be a good idea.

If it all goes pear-shaped you should then have some data to use in a DR claim.

Re: Clarification - Delay / repay on rail replacement buses
In "Fare's Fair" [380865/32609/4]
Posted by grahame at 08:06, 14th October 2026
Already liked by eightonedee, Mark A
 
Not the same company at all. Different registration numbers at Companies House.

Appalling programming. You should know all about that subject?

The railway is ... riddled ... with mis-leads and opportunities to do better.

Brickett Wood
Bridge of Allan
Bridge of Orchy
Bridgend
Bridgeton
Brighton

... what the ticket machine (that was upgraded last week!) ... offers when I start typing in B-R-I ... for where I want to buy a ticket to.  Most sold Melksham tickets BRI are Temple Meads (which IS on the quick front panel) followed by

Bristol Parkway
Brighton
Bridgend
Bridgwater
Brighouse
Brixton

And, surely, it would be best to offer the most popular six first, not the first six in the alphabet?


And don't we love the information system gems that have two trains leaving from the same platform at the same time:


Re: Publicly owned rail is popular but does it make the trains run on time?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380863/32613/51]
Posted by grahame at 06:49, 14th October 2026
 
Prof Glaister says: "When the public is hoping for a better level of service, more reliability, fewer breakdowns and lower fares, what they're really asking for is more money to be put into the railway.

Sure, that's what the public are hoping for.   But let's look

1. There are no offers of a general better level of service, though there may be some bright spots.  Indeed nothing much is said about level of service and could we be in for another Beeching, or Serpell? That could save money.  I won't give any pointers in the South West ... but I could look at East Anglia and and ask about lines such as those through Berney Arms, East Tilbury and Emerson Park, and to such places as Sheringham, Sudbury and Southminster and wonder about their economic case.

2. More reliability and fewer breakdowns could be achieved by reducing the number of services run and increasing running times, could it not?  Swiss timekeeping has an excellent reputation, but I've made a number of journeys where we have paused to make up time.  And modern technology (I've see demos) can hide that slowing down by programming the trains to run slower than they could - not awaiting time at stations but running a little slower between

3. "Fare Simplification" is what is suggested, and can be achieved, can't it, by simply scrapping some of the lower fares?  Let's get rid of super off peak - no, it's not in headlines terms putting "fares up" but it'll sure as heck make a substantial difference in our parts to weekend travellers!

Ticket price increases - sport
In "Fare's Fair" [380862/32621/4]
Posted by grahame at 06:32, 14th October 2026
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cx7vpe1p070mo

Ticket rises and more TV packages - why is price of sport increasing?

At least £115 to watch a day of the Ashes in Birmingham - unless you are an Edgbaston member.

A minimum of £255 for a standard seat at the Wimbledon singles finals.

Prices starting from £289 for general admission to the British Grand Prix at Silverstone on raceday.

Those are the ticket fees British sports fans have been told a single adult must pay if they want to attend some of the country's most beloved sports events in 2027.

The cost of entry to elite sport in the UK has risen sharply in the 2020s, but attendances across the majority of sports are as strong as ever.

Even for armchair fans watching at home, the breadth and expense of television subscriptions can be a barrier to accessing sport.

So what exactly is behind the rise in prices, can the increases possibly be justified and what does it all mean for fans?

I find myself looking at this report and wondering if there are crossover lessons and alerts into public transport matters. 

Re: Publicly owned rail is popular but does it make the trains run on time?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [380861/32613/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:40, 14th October 2026
 
This, in a nutshell.

The Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander says that she wants to see subsidy levels fall. Meanwhile, Network Rail has acknowledged a squeezed budget means difficult choices, and shoring up the network against the effects of more extreme weather requires investment.

Prof Glaister says: "When the public is hoping for a better level of service, more reliability, fewer breakdowns and lower fares, what they're really asking for is more money to be put into the railway.

"I don't think it's likely the government is going to be able to find more money, probably [it will have] less, actually. And so I think there's a real problem with ministers raising expectations from this policy."

Coffee Shop posting - for real people!
In "News, Help and Assistance" [380859/32620/29]
Posted by grahame at 05:03, 14th October 2026
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Mark A
 
Our "rules of engagement" - the forum agreement - is written for direct (human) posters and not for automated agents. In the current environment / with concerns about AI, it makes sense to me for Coffee Shop posting to remain in principle limited to real people who we may meet on the train, who have life experiences, and who can agree to / sign up to our forum agreement.   

Occasionally in our many years, a real person has "gone rogue" and our team has been able to take actions which bring our posted content back within our guidelines, often with the agreement of that person though very occasionally through enforcement mechanisms we have, underpinned by the background of that agreement which does include a couple of safety nets that lets it cope with the unexpected.  I am uncomfortable with the thought of moderating an agent which does not have the characteristics / bounds of a real person, and so sign up requests from automata will be / are declined at present. That does not stop automata reading the public areas of the Coffee Shop, nor does it stop them communicating with us through our official email address, nor does it stop them making use of public material "scraped". 

At present, we've had very few sign up requests indeed from automata, and such requests where they want to sign up to "comment on a particular story" will be answered by an invite to email to us what they would like to say, and the admin or moderator team will consider sharing what's suggested, and with reference to the source as appropriate.  This policy means that we welcome and share information from the widest range of sources, but at the same time provide members and (in public areas) guests with a re-assurance that what they read is submitted with true thought, intent, and over which our team has backup tools to look after.

Re: Server slow ...
In "News, Help and Assistance" [380858/30293/29]
Posted by grahame at 05:01, 14th October 2026
 
From around 10 p.m. on 12th, our server loads ballooned ... requests to the worker server up from around 350,000  to around 650,000 over the 24 hours of 13th (October).  And most of that extra loading was before 18:00, at which point I identified and diverted the loads - which were ... in my view ... from 'bots not useful to the Coffee Shop.  There's an element of this identification being a manual process - though I do have code in place such to help me describe a pattern and automate ongoing rejection once I identify it (and I can even do so from a very limited internet connection!)

Re: West, but not trains. Where?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380857/32605/31]
Posted by grahame at 04:32, 14th October 2026
 
May I offer our collective thanks to grahame for his latest quiz challenge here.  I found it encouraging that there was, as ever, some friendly competition and different answers suggested for some of those locations.

Delighted that it worked ... I posted in some trepidation as to whether it might sink like a lead balloon as so many of our members don't get very far from the platforms - let alone the stations - on their travels.    In recent years, I have travelled to some of the furthest points in Europe and there's more of that to come in my current window between retirement and increasing limitations, but I wrestled with whether and how to share those experiences.

Re: Tarka Line - Exeter to Barnstaple: services, facilities, incidents and events
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [380855/15711/24]
Posted by JayMac at 01:12, 14th October 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, RichardB, Witham Bobby
 
Railway YouTuber Geoff Marshall recently visited the Tarka Line (Exeter - Barnstaple) to tick off some stations, discuss the line, its history and its future. Some excellent detail on possible future work to increase capacity and frequency provided by RichardB of this very parish.



Re: What's the biggest saving you can make by splitting your tickets?
In "Fare's Fair" [380854/9439/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:08, 14th October 2026
 
... I saved a whopping 17p (yes, I know,  s e v e n t e e n  whole pennies) ...

I'm going off at yet another slight tangent here (and I can, because I'm an admin ), but it struck me, even as a twelve-year-old at the time when our currency was dismalised, in February 1971, that there shouldn't have been provision for a 'half-penny' in any new decimal coinage - it was a contradiction in terms.

CfN. Grumpy Old Git.

Re: Holiday home in Torquay (Torre) anyone? - be aware of train noise
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [380853/24457/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:40, 13th October 2026
Already liked by Pb_devon
 
You weren't tempted into making a bid, RichardB, for a possible retirement residence - close to the railway?

CfN. 

MOVED: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [380852/32619/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:22, 13th October 2026
 
This topic has been moved to Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA) as the 'campaign' has (at last!) come to fruition.

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=231.0

Re: Cross Country - 8 trains added to fleet over next 18 months
In "Cross Country services" [380851/32614/43]
Posted by RailCornwall at 22:24, 13th October 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
What's needed for XC in Cornwall isn't more trains, it's capacity on the existing, more coaches far more important throughout the week, a virtually impossible need I'll agree.

Re: West, but not trains. Where?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380850/32605/31]
Posted by Mark A at 20:49, 13th October 2026
 
That photo's so evocative of a particular sort of damp wet day, that light, the stone, road surface, grass, it's making my nose twitch.

Re: West, but not trains. Where?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380849/32605/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:37, 13th October 2026
Already liked by eightonedee
 
May I offer our collective thanks to grahame for his latest quiz challenge here.  I found it encouraging that there was, as ever, some friendly competition and different answers suggested for some of those locations.

Not all my pictures are at or near railways - or even buses. Here are some from various places within our main area - can you identify them?

15.



I very nearly made a public fool of myself by bidding 'Tormarton, South Gloucestershire' for that one.



Oh, hang on a minute. 

CfN. 

Re: Sydney Gardens No. 2 Tunnel, Bath. Navigation and towpath closed.
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380848/32604/47]
Posted by Mark A at 18:59, 13th October 2026
 
Hopefully a bread and butter repair, albeit above water. But then... listed building, at least two agencies involved, negotiations to be had...

Off topic, from a quick exchange with a group of people working at Blisworth Tunnel in the late 1980s: they indicated that I think it was £27 per square metre was the going rate for brick lining repairs at that time. I have a faint recollection that didn't involve simple repointing but with brick lining, where do you stop...

Re: West, but not trains. Where?
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [380847/32605/31]
Posted by grahame at 17:17, 13th October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
All now identified correctly ...

1 Hayling Island - Chris from Nailsea
2 Hyde Park - Mark A
3 Melksham - Chris from Nailsea
4 Taunton - Chris from Nailsea
5 Dartmouth - RobT
6 Tavistock - AMLAG
7 Needles (Isle of Wight) - johnneyw
8 Temple Footbridge (River Thames) - TonyN
9 Reading Town Centre - stuving
10 Bicester Village - chuffed
11 Evesham - Mark A
12 Woodhenge - eXPassenger
13 Abbotsbury - eightonedee
14 Barry Island - Trowres
15 Yetminster - bradshaw
16 Chepstow - Red Squirrel

Re: Sydney Gardens No. 2 Tunnel, Bath. Navigation and towpath closed.
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [380845/32604/47]
Posted by chipbury at 17:00, 13th October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
We walked under there on the Thursday as they were working above and I wondered how deep they were going!
I had a look on Monday from the East end of the tunnel but there was nothing to see.
I wonder how long it'll take to repair?

 
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