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Help Protect The Wilts & Berks Canal at Chippenham
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [376426/32169/47]
Posted by JohnM at 09:56, 25th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Email from the Wilts & Berks Canal Trust https://wbct.org.uk/
As you may have seen or heard, developers (Gleeson-Gallagher) are looking to build around 1200 houses on land to the north and north-west of Pewsham Locks. The Trust is always neutral on these matters, however we do look to protect our interests i.e. the protection of the original canal line and the restoration of the canal.

The developers have produced a brochure with a Masterplan outlining the area of proposed development; where they talk about Biodiversity and Sustainability and Nature however not once do they mention The Wilts & Berks Canal, despite the fact that the line of the canal runs across part of the development!

The consultation document can be found at https://www.pewshamchippenham.co.uk/

They are asking for feedback and The Trust, and myself, would appreciate it if you could take a few minutes to complete this, stating that if the development does go ahead then the canal should be included in their development plan. Some of the things you may consider are:
  • Preserving Local heritage.
  • Boosting tourism and the local economy
  • Creating recreational opportunities and improving health and wellbeing e.g. walking and cycling routes, boating opportunities, nature observations
  • Supporting Wildlife and Biodiversity: Canals can act as wildlife corridors, linking habitats and providing homes for birds, insects, fish and aquatic plants. Restoration plans include biodiversity management and aim for habitat enhancement and biodiversity net gain.
  • Flood Risk management. The restored canal will play a functional role in sustainable drainage and flood attenuation within the development, forming part of a wider integrated water management strategy.
  • Educational Benefits: The canal provides opportunities for learning about Local History, Industrial Archaeology, Engineering, Environmental Science, Conservation.
  • Community Pride and Volunteering:  The restoration project has involved hundreds of volunteers over many years. Continued restoration strengthens community involvement, develops practical skills and gives residents a shared goal that improves the local area. Recent work at Pewsham Locks demonstrates the commitment of local volunteers.
The feedback form can be found at the ‘Next Stages and Feedback’ tab at the above link. Deadline for feedback is 28th June.

Thank You.

Howard Wilson (Melksham, Calne and Chippenham Branch Chairman)

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376425/32164/31]
Posted by broadgage at 09:51, 25th June 2026
 
Stayed in many Travelodge hotels over the years,so these are my comments.



When hotels are being built and fitted out,13 amp plug sockets should be fitted to an outside wall,which reduces the "smack" from those 13 amp plugs next door.
Don't like carpets in the rooms,it can stink of literally any thing

If you are staying for a long time,how often should you have the sheets changed? how often do you change your sheets at home.

Do you change your towels at home every day

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13 amp sockets are often installed on the party wall separating rooms because it is cheaper, the same cable can serve outlets on both sides of the wall.
I change sheets once a week at home, and would expect the same in an hotel. In all but the very cheapest hotels sheets should be white, 100% cotton, and generously sized. NOT containing ANY poly-anything.
No i do not change towels every day at home.

Re: SWR timetable consultation - a suggestion
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [376424/32168/20]
Posted by Mark A at 09:49, 25th June 2026
 
The Grand Central Waterloo-Bristol rumour's now the subject of an article in Rail magazine. (Subscription required).

Mark

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/grand-central-planning-new-london-routes-from-manchester-and-bristol

Re: SWR timetable consultation - a suggestion
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [376423/32168/20]
Posted by grahame at 09:26, 25th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
This one did not fit neatly into any of our line boards - which rather confirms that it would be a useful new service.

There's. a photocall from our MP (Brian Mathew) and the mayor of Bradford-on-Avon (Sam Blackwell) who asks

We wondered whether you (and any other WWRUG members) would be willing and available to meet with Brian and me on Saturday morning (11.30?) at the railway station for a photo?

SWR timetable consultation - a suggestion
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [376422/32168/20]
Posted by grahame at 09:17, 25th June 2026
 
South Western Railway (Or is that now Great British Railways | South Western) are re-doing their whole timetable for December 2027 and are looking for inputs from knowledgable parties (Stakeholders) to help inform them.

1. One of their (SWR / GBR|SW) current services runs from Salisbury to Waterloo Station in London, with calls / onward connections at Clapham Junction, Waterloo and Woking for trains to destinations in South London, Kent, Surrey and East Sussex

2. Great Western Railway (to become Great British Railways | Great Western in December) now run services on the "Bristol Metro" from Bristol as far as Salisbury, serving Bristol, Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford, Avoncliff, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, and Warminster along the way.

3. The SWR services are run using class 158 (and 159) trains, and the GWR services often are class 158 - they are run from a pool of class 158, 165 and 166 trains. SWR terminate in Salisbury's platforms from the east, and GWR services terminate - often at the same platforms - from the West.

4. My "Rumour Mill" suggests that Grand Central (an Arriva owned Open Access operator) have applied for rights to run a Waterloo, Salisbury, Warminster, Westbury, Trowbridge, Bradford on Avon, Bath Spa, Bristol Temple Meads service.  Which rather confirms a view in the industry that there is a demand for such a service worth backing up by serious investment, and that (under Open Access license terms) it is not "primarily abstractive" of traffic of other services, and that there is capacity for it.

5. The distance between London Waterloo and London Paddington where current Bristol and Bath to London services go is about 4 miles (6.4 km), putting them into different walking and cycling catchments.  London is a huge city and onward public transport from both is good, but underground and bus are daunting / difficult for many occasional passengers.

6. Suggestion - why not join up the Bristol -> Salisbury and the Salisbury -> Waterloo service from December 2027? Trains arriving in Salisbury from the west already join on to extra carriages before they continue to London, and 2 or 3 carriage trains of class 158/159 from Bristol (there are already a couple from Westbury) could do that, up as far as 8 or 9 carriage trains onwards

*** To be noted amongst the major benefits:
* A whole raft of popular new / restored service for which there is significant identified demand.
* Economic benefit of through London services from Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge and Dilton Marsh
* Operational improvement - efficiency at Salisbury
* An easy early win for Great British Railways

*** Previous services along the length of this corridor

Through services on this route ran preCovid and I summarised why they should remain - to no immediate avail - documented at https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/16-reasons-continue-through-trains-london-graham-ellis/ and http://waterloo.savethetrain.org.uk (link is an old one - http not https!). Here are some updated / comments on issues at the time

* We had two operators under commercial contract from Bristol and Bath to London, and our dominant operator to Paddington wanted rid of the competition which undercut them, all be it with a less frequent and slower service.  They would now be complementary services

* As SWR and GWR were separate organisations, each needed their own drivers and route knowledge for the Bristol service for SWR crews was hard and expensive to maintain.  Under GBR, all staff are under the same banner and would be changed along the way.

* Train paths were being cleared for MetroWest between Bristol and Bath (Bathampton). Fair enough - those paths have been taken up by the MetroWest service which is the very service we are asking to link on to Waterloo. No problem any more

* HMG were looking to save money by thinning out services in the postCovid era.  But we are back up to 1.83 billion journeys a year (to March 2026) versus 0.99 billion journeys which was the latest data when the previous service was cut.  The strongest regrowth, you will note, is in the occasional traveller / leisure / personal business (such as students to/from Uni) markets which are the very market that this service will address.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376421/32151/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:11, 25th June 2026
 
From the BBC:

Council sorry for parking fines after train crash

A council has apologised after drivers were fined for not moving their vehicles from a station car park after a fatal train crash.

Passengers were left stranded after two trains collided near Bedford on Friday, leaving a 60-year-old train driver dead and more than 100 people injured.

Some passengers were unable to return to their cars parked at Bedford railway station, but when they finally did they found fixed penalty notices stuck to their windscreens.

A Bedford Borough Council spokesperson said: "We are aware of this matter and apologise for any incorrect tickets issued."

One man posted a picture on social media of a fixed penalty notice on his windscreen in the station car park, adding to the council: "Really? Why are you issuing parking tickets to cars at Bedford train station after yesterday's major incident? Police were telling people NOT to go to the station! How were we supposed to collect our cars? Or extend parking?"

He said the penalised vehicles were in a car park adjacent to the station in Ashburnham Road and it was managed by the council, not a private company. He added his paid parking expired at midnight after Friday's crash and a ticket was issued to him at 09:00 on Saturday.

The man had earlier been evacuated from a train on the Bedford line behind the crash site. He also filmed his neighbours and his partner throwing bottles of water and snacks to stranded passengers from a road next to the railway, saying this was "humanity at its best".

The council added it had "already taken corrective action" and asked anyone who still needed a ticket rescinded to email.

(BBC article continues)


Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376420/32162/26]
Posted by JohnM at 08:55, 25th June 2026
Already liked by grahame, GBM, Mark A
 
Pretty bad day for anyone needing to (rather than choosing to) travel
Melksham-Bristol commute not too bad - the Plan A 05:11 Gloucester-Southampton (to Trowbridge) was cancelled (train fault), but the plan B 06:35 Salisbury-Worcester (to Chippenham) was ok.

Then the 06:28 Paddington-Weston was delayed by 23 mins at Chippenham (speed restriction), but the official connection of the 07:00 Oxford-Bristol was only a minute late (07:48) so got to the office on time (for plan B).

I could claim for the plan A cancellation but not going to bother. I could/should have worked from home today, but I had to do that for the other 2 days I was supposed to be in the office this week (not due to weather), so felt I should show my face.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376419/32162/26]
Posted by John D at 08:13, 25th June 2026
 
Pretty bad day for anyone needing to (rather than choosing to) travel

Graphic on front page currently has
Cancelled 225
Part route 97

Rare to be over 300

Re: Hotel etiquette
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376418/32164/31]
Posted by infoman at 07:05, 25th June 2026
 
Stayed in many Travelodge hotels over the years,so these are my comments.

I think televisions MIGHT be on a timer(not sure if they are and how long it is)so the telly switches its self off after a certain time that it has been on.

Plastic water cups,glad they don't have these any more or even glass tumblers,we can use the china cups to have a drink.

Always put the kettle on the floor to have a hot drink which reduces the noise  level during the early hours of the morning.
Always take our own coffee,and what benefit do guests  get from taking the milk tumblers and also the sleeves of coffee and tea?

When hotels are being built and fitted out,13 amp plug sockets should be fitted to an outside wall,which reduces the "smack" from those 13 amp plugs next door.
Don't like carpets in the rooms,it can stink of literally any thing

If you are staying for a long time,how often should you have the sheets changed? how often do you change your sheets at home.

Do you change your towels at home every day

Rubbish bins,always take our rubbish into the reception area for disposal.

What I don't like is they allows dogs in any of their hotels.

Smoking can be an issue

Finally, toothpaste we always remember to take our tooth brush but forget the paste.,
just wish they would supply those small toothpaste tubes,but without those small temporary tooth brushes 

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376417/32151/51]
Posted by Electric train at 06:18, 25th June 2026
 
...  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, ...

The SPAD should have been noted by the signalling system (and thence, the signaller). Is there a standard protocol to be followed by the signaller in such a case?

I don't know if they get an alarm in the signalling centre, but I've been in an area where another train passed a signal at danger and the signallers sent me an emergency stop message. I suspect the RAIB will look at the workload of the signallers covering Bedford. 

If you look at the timeline the Signaller would not have had sufficient time to do anything once 1H46 was in the auto signal area, even if the Signaller had picked up a handset to call 1H46 the crash would have happened; the Signaller see a track circuit block showing occupied a train can be anywhere in that block so they do not know exactly where a train is.  I do not know if there is ARS (automatic route setting) in the Bedford area, I'm not a signalling engineer, but once the path has been accepted by the Signaller the Signaller moves onto another signalling task, they may even have been talking to the driver of 1B67 about the AWS fault

RIAB may ask why 1H46 was crossed over onto the UP Main behind a failed 1B67, but in normal circumstance that is a performance issue and not a safety of trains issue.


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376416/31359/18]
Posted by JohnM at 06:05, 25th June 2026
 
The 05:11 Gloucester - Southampton Central is 'delayed', or over 35 mins late if it sets off as I'm writing this.
...and unsurprisingly "This journey has been cancelled because of more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time".

Re: Musings from Italy ...
In "Introductions and chat" [376415/32165/1]
Posted by grahame at 06:01, 25th June 2026
 
***snip***

We have just left Catanzano Lido - 11:45 (54 minutes late!) and following a diversion back and forth across the foot of Italy because the direct line along the sole close is closed for engineering until the end of this month.  And we have just passed through Catanzano 'itself' with a narrow gauge connection, a station in the process of being rebuilt, and few passengers to seen around.  In many parts I get the feeling of their being more staff than passengers but that might to some extent be because I'm choosing truly off-peak (I don't know when the peak might be!)

Tied myself in knots trying to follow your route on maps. Not to worry, the satellite view does you're traversing an area with a lot of reconstruction at that point. Catanzano in particular is most tortuous as it seems to be a town where generations of rail (and road) engineers have left their marks.

Mark

Here to help is the map from my journey planner.  From Catanzano to Sibari we did a clockwise semicircle crossing from south to north coast and then back, rather than following the bulge via Crotone in a counterclockwise loop.   These maps suffer from crow-flying syndrome - direct lines shown between calling points even when the actual route is far from direct.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376414/31359/18]
Posted by JohnM at 05:48, 25th June 2026
 
The 05:11 Gloucester - Southampton Central is 'delayed', or over 35 mins late if it sets off as I'm writing this.

Re: Musings from Italy ...
In "Introductions and chat" [376413/32165/1]
Posted by grahame at 05:37, 25th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
***snip***

We have just left Catanzano Lido - 11:45 (54 minutes late!) and following a diversion back and forth across the foot of Italy because the direct line along the sole close is closed for engineering until the end of this month.  And we have just passed through Catanzano 'itself' with a narrow gauge connection, a station in the process of being rebuilt, and few passengers to seen around.  In many parts I get the feeling of their being more staff than passengers but that might to some extent be because I'm choosing truly off-peak (I don't know when the peak might be!)

Tied myself in knots trying to follow your route on maps. Not to worry, the satellite view does you're traversing an area with a lot of reconstruction at that point. Catanzano in particular is most tortuous as it seems to be a town where generations of rail (and road) engineers have left their marks.

Mark

The train did get somewhat busier and dragged into Brindisi around 45 minutes late.  A bit like a Cross Country or Cardiff - Portsmouth train, with end to end traffic (and I got off one stop short of Lecce) rare. 

I had warned my guest house I would be about an hour late, and had also allowed 30 minutes to find the place from the station but it only took 15.   Result in my standing outside pressing a call button that went to a phone and it did not answer.   There's a whole non-rail story in that.

Many, many places along the way - all the way from Melksham to Brindisi - worth further exploration. I wake up this morning of the first time single leading home knowing I am staying inn the same place for a second night - that I am not packing my bags and moving on by 11 (or 10) a.m.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376412/32162/26]
Posted by grahame at 05:15, 25th June 2026
 
It would have been helpful if public-facing information systems had given a fullsummary of the cancellations planned.

For example, all the Bristol-Salisbury services seem to be planned cancellations, but they don't appear on gwr.com or Journeycheck.com (or at least, not where I've searched for them.

Oh yeah, it's covered by "cancellations on all routes". Not very helpful and, one might observe, not all routes are equal when cancellations are decided.

From past reading an understanding, there is a cutoff and different system for trains cancelled/changed well in advance (48 hours?) and those which change shortly before they were due to run.  We've seen what I believe to be the effect of this on things like the closed-for-too-long Looe line where the first days made it to Journey Check and the feed we use for our disruption map, but then it became planned-further-ahead and did not flag in the short term changes.

Having a cutoff makes sense in that it avoids flooding the system at times of planned engineering works

I suspect that for this week, many changes were put into the system at or near the cutoff.

Re: Bath: Faresave and First bus stop alterations - evening of the 24th June.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [376411/32166/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:05, 24th June 2026
 
Thanks for that detailed and illustrated local update, Mark. 

Re: Bath: Faresave and First bus stop alterations - evening of the 24th June.
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [376410/32166/5]
Posted by Mark A at 22:16, 24th June 2026
 
The road reopened by 8pm and buses back to 'Normal for Bath'. An electrical fault beneath the pavement outside Bath's Guildhall had dumped enough energy to lift paving stones. Staff were awaiting the arrival of a technician to assist with a fix - there being eight cables beneath the pavement there. The fault might be a product of Monday afternoon's unbelievable weather event.

Mark


Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376409/32151/51]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 21:52, 24th June 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Red Squirrel
 

I really feel for the driver of the 810 though. They're always going to be left wondering if they could have done something differently.  That's a hard thought to shift.  
I'd thought that too. I would hope the final report will make clear that the 810's driver acted totally correctly.

On a separate point, the RAIB appear careful to say that the train passed a red signal, rather more neutral wording than referring to the driver passing it.  Not just semantics; the latter could be interpreted as assigning blame already when that is far from certain.

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376408/32162/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:36, 24th June 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
When were those thunderstorms?

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376407/32151/51]
Posted by a-driver at 20:36, 24th June 2026
 
...  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, ...

The SPAD should have been noted by the signalling system (and thence, the signaller). Is there a standard protocol to be followed by the signaller in such a case?

I don't know if they get an alarm in the signalling centre, but I've been in an area where another train passed a signal at danger and the signallers sent me an emergency stop message. I suspect the RAIB will look at the workload of the signallers covering Bedford. 

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376406/32151/51]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 20:31, 24th June 2026
 
...  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, ...

The SPAD should have been noted by the signalling system (and thence, the signaller). Is there a standard protocol to be followed by the signaller in such a case?

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376405/32162/26]
Posted by MVR S&T at 20:20, 24th June 2026
Already liked by JohnM, Witham Bobby
 
Ahh, all explained why it is not raining at all in Somerset..

Re: "Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376404/32162/26]
Posted by Electric train at 20:16, 24th June 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Its a good thing that this is fallow year for Glastonbury

Re: Marlow Branch line, Marlow Donkey - services, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376403/168/13]
Posted by Electric train at 20:14, 24th June 2026
 
This branch would be great for a class 398 if they can sort some wiring for the line and im sure a 398 will fit in both platforms at Bourne end

When I was still at work I had a number of visits to the West Ealing / Greenford trial, the GWR team were confident that the system could handle any of the TV branches, the Maidenhead / Marlow would only require the charge at Maidenhead, the unit on the Borne End / Marlow peak shuttles would not require charging.

Excellent: and market the service as the 'Electric donkey'. The sparks effect will have passenger numbers growing strongly, and people will be like 'Hi, Sparkydonks, how're you doing? Compared to the old train you're as regular as a quartz clock.'

Mark

Agreed a new train set, greener and quitter would be a good marketing, especially if the half hourly Maidenhead / Marlow through service was introduced at the same time.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376402/32151/51]
Posted by MVR S&T at 20:12, 24th June 2026
 
Reading the RAIB report, seems they have the video, as it on a separate recorder to the data.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376401/32151/51]
Posted by Electric train at 20:06, 24th June 2026
 
I'm surprised that little mention has been made that 1B67 was almost 20 late at the time, apologies if I've missed it, that in my view has to have some contribution to the incident.

That is one slice of the Swiss cheese a-driver mentioned.

The RAIB interim report states they were unable to access the OTDR of 1H46 until it had been lifted, the OTDR should have the information of the AWS and video images from the forward facing camera

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376400/32151/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:27, 24th June 2026
 
It still wouldn't have had any effect if it hadn't come to a stop (which is being investigated)

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376399/32151/51]
Posted by RailCornwall at 19:18, 24th June 2026
 
I'm surprised that little mention has been made that 1B67 was almost 20 late at the time, apologies if I've missed it, that in my view has to have some contribution to the incident.

Re: Marlow Branch line, Marlow Donkey - services, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376398/168/13]
Posted by Mark A at 19:17, 24th June 2026
 
Excellent: and market the service as the 'Electric donkey'. The sparks effect will have passenger numbers growing strongly, and people will be like 'Hi, Sparkydonks, how're you doing? Compared to the old train you're as regular as a quartz clock.'

Mark

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376397/32151/51]
Posted by a-driver at 19:14, 24th June 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
Yes, the whole sequence of events was apparently started by a fault on AWS on the 810, if the 810 hadn't stopped on the fast line then it would have been long gone and crash wouldn't have happened.   So potentially AWS contributed  ...

I think it is just sadly ironic that the express stopped on the fast lines due to an AWS failure. After all, it was just doing its job and failing safe - for the express.

AWS could have contributed but ultimately its down to the driver to observe the signals and for some reason, he wasn't able to.  RAIB will find out why.  There's so many things that could have contributed,  it could be a classic case of the Swiss Cheese Effect, everything lined up to conspire against Sean.

I really feel for the driver of the 810 though. They're always going to be left wondering if they could have done something differently.  That's a hard thought to shift.  

 
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