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Re: When will all stations be "fully accessible"?
In "Across the West" [360408/22629/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:49, 11th April 2025
 
Mostly the latter I think.  Very noticeable how it’s increased a lot over the last few years.

It is, on the whole, an excellent and reliable service.  Naturally we get to hear about it on the odd occasion it goes wrong.

Re: Crosscountry axe UK's longest direct rail route
In "Cross Country services" [360407/30131/43]
Posted by John D at 09:00, 11th April 2025
 
I think main reason is (excessive) time, cross country effectively operate semi-fast services, nothing express.  

Many London services will have sections that are 50-100 miles between stations, and the trains use electric power to quickly accelerate to high speed.

Cross country uses (aging) diesel trains, often with downrated motors or one engine isolated so they are a noisy, sluggish by comparison train.  You never get the feeling you are flying along making good progress with cross country. 

Then there are other problems, cramped seats, lack of view with some seats looking at pillars, and tickets that are expensive (if you are not aware of spilt ticket sites), and even if you use split ticketing they seem to deliberately change your seat every split, sometimes change from front to back unit mid journey too.

My last cross country journey, trolley was static on way out, so no food unless wanted to fight way along aisle crowded with standees, on way back was double unit, but our seats were in unit without trolley.  So no refreshments available.  If I could get equivalent of a good pub lunch on a 3+ hour journey I would spend the money, but I can't so if I have a choice I avoid XC

Re: Crosscountry axe UK's longest direct rail route
In "Cross Country services" [360406/30131/43]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:53, 11th April 2025
 
.....Why is there no really long distance travel avoiding London? Is there a market for it?  How can it best be served?  Why is it nor served / used at present? .....

Has that first statement been confirmed as correct by an analysis of the relevant ticket data? Either way for our fairly frequent trips to visit family in Yorkshire - does that qualify as really long distance? -  the obvious rail solution would be the direct XC services between Exeter and Wakefield/Leeds but we always travel via London because:
the c.25 year old Voyagers are awful
tickets via London can usually be cheaper than XC's offering (DIG>WKF Railcard Standard Class 2 weeks in advance XC Direct £88.80, GWR/LNER £72.75 using the National Rail planner)
LNER offer a very nice London><Yorkshire First Class trip at a reasonable price (don't mention GWR!)
the travel time via London is not that much more than the direct XC route but it provides a significantly more comfortable journey
XC service punctuality & reliability is seemingly not that great

Re: Can a penguin fly a helicopter?
In "The Lighter Side" [360405/30137/30]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 08:45, 11th April 2025
 


The report did not say why they had picked up the penguin.


Maybe they felt a little p-peckish?

https://youtu.be/fI0Fa66h6Qo?si=21zaWcbZuyvZj0FJ

Re: Crosscountry axe UK's longest direct rail route
In "Cross Country services" [360404/30131/43]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:21, 11th April 2025
 
Speed of journey.

There is/was a keenness to get the services stopping 'on my patch' in order to increase journey opps.

XC has really suffered - they shouldn't be being used for 'local' journeys of less than 30mins frankly, and connection hubs used (they did try these outside the BHM central hub a few years ago, but customers wanted the BHM facilities), so gave up again.

It could work, but the longer the journey, the faster end-to-end you need to make them work.

Re: Daily Mile - coming to Melksham for April
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360403/30078/50]
Posted by Mark A at 08:02, 11th April 2025
 
Very effective photos and the local talent clearly see the underpass needed murals and also plumped for very sombre blue lias faux masonry. (The real thing would have needed to be fetched some distance...)

Next, guerilla gardening on the spiral ramp thing would be positive.

Mark

Re: Crosscountry axe UK's longest direct rail route
In "Cross Country services" [360402/30131/43]
Posted by grahame at 07:52, 11th April 2025
 
My thoughts ... cross country services (lower case - description not company) have become (and intentionally) more of a regional service that crosses over the spoked of main lines from London. The various services arjoined up on these crossservices because there's no single station on most of the routes where evenyone gets off and on. There have been very few  passengers travelling from Penzance to Aberdeen on the one train, and there are very few from Cardiff to Portsmouth Harbour. I suspect that very few people got onto the train at Crewe headed for Skegness when that was a through train. And does anyone catch the through train that runs from Bristol Temple Meads to Stanstead Airport (1L98 at 06:25, due in 11:41)

Why is there no really long distance travel avoiding London? Is there a market for it?  How can it best be served?  Why is it nor served / used at present?

Speed?
Comfort?
Lack of luggage space and assistance?
Fares?
Facilities on the train (e.g. meals at seat)?
Marketing?
Simply no-one would use it?

Re: When will all stations be "fully accessible"?
In "Across the West" [360401/22629/26]
Posted by John D at 07:45, 11th April 2025
 
Latest ORR figures put GWR as second (after Network Rail main stations) as operator with most passenger assists

36,499 for period 8-10 (13 Oct - 4 Jan)
increase of 25% on previous year,
and averaging just over 3000 per week

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/vdjdaxz1/assists-factsheet-2024-25-rail-periods-8-10.pdf

Not sure if that means more people are finding trains harder to use so booking more assists, or if GWR usage has gone up 25%, or if more are aware it exists so choosing to use it.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360400/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 04:28, 11th April 2025
 
Friday April 11

At 04:30, JourneyCheck had 148 'Train Formation Updates', including this pair:
Facilities on the 05:16 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 07:24.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.
Last Updated:11/04/2025 03:40

Facilities on the 05:53 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 08:38.
Will be formed of 9 coaches instead of 5.
Last Updated:11/04/2025 03:37

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360399/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 03:23, 11th April 2025
 
To summarise:

1P11 05:16 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington (07:24) : departed +17, arrived +15.
1P02 05:23 Hereford to Paddington : 5 cars, diverted from Worcester Shrub Hill via Stroud, arrived +25.
1P16 06:43 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington (08:44) : departed +42, held Charlbury (+59), arrived +58.
2E80 07:00 Worcester Shrub Hill to Didcot Parkway (08:46) : departed +9, arrived +9.
1P18 07:13 Great Malvern to London Paddington (09:42) : held Shrub Hill (+18), Norton (+26) and Charlbury (+34), arrived +24.
1P20 08:15 Worcester Shrub Hill to Paddington (10:23) : departed +35, held Norton (+43) and Charlbury (+55), arrived Reading +51 and cancelled thereafter.
1P22 08:56 Great Malvern to London Paddington (11:24) : started from Worcester Foregate Street.

1W11 05:53 London Paddington to Great Malvern (08:38) : held Evesham (+21) and Parkway (+32), arrived Worcester Foregate Street +38 and cancelled thereafter.
1W21 10:53 Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill (13:01) : started from Reading.
1W33 16:58 Paddington to Great Malvern (19:25) : started from Reading (+15), arrived +13.

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360398/30135/10]
Posted by stuving at 22:48, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
... So the trains through CPM may have been ... or just virtually empty because so few passengers managed to make use of them.

but presumably they would have stopped if they had been 'normal' services? They all should stop AFAIK, unless the decision was taken to skip some stops to make up time - hopefully the passengers were suitably warned if that was the case

Sorry, I should have been clearer that there were trains running off route. RTT never shows off-route trains, since it can only show reports against a timetable. Even LiveRail, which can show some off-route trains, does not list them under off-route stations. It can only show the diversion in place of the originally intended route.

So RTT continues to show an off-route train progressing along its timetabled route, with no report for the bit it has diverted round. If you look a station (or timing point) on the section that was diverted round, this train still appears listed but will show no report. Of course a "no report" is not evidence of anything, since reports go missing for all sorts of reasons.

Re: Can a penguin fly a helicopter?
In "The Lighter Side" [360397/30137/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:46, 10th April 2025
 
So that's why Trump wanted to hit an island full of penguins with high tariffs - or had he seen too many Wallace & Gromit films?

Re: Daily Mile - coming to Melksham for April
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360396/30078/50]
Posted by grahame at 22:14, 10th April 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad
 
From this evening - a welcome to Melksham and some local characters to greet you






Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360395/30135/10]
Posted by bobm at 21:53, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Not helpful for this case now but even if a train isn’t shown on RTT they usually do appear on signalling maps like Open Time Trains.  You can often then work out what it is from the headcode.

Re: Paddington bear stolen from Newbury in Berkshire, now recovered - March 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [360394/29972/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:03, 10th April 2025
 
Thanks, Clan Line.


Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360393/30135/10]
Posted by Hafren at 21:00, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Could have been these - both left SWI around the and would have run non-stop on diversion through Chippenham:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y21977/2025-04-10/detailed#allox_id=0 - left SWI 1729

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y21978/2025-04-10/detailed#allox_id=0 - shows 'pass' SWI 1723 but actually must have stopped as it was there a while when I was keeping an eye on it and ended up behind the above one

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360392/30135/10]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:57, 10th April 2025
 
RTT won't have shown these if looking at Chippenham, as they were off their timetabled route. A search for those passing Wootton Bassett might offer more clues, as for a while the majority of trains running west would have ended up going through Chippenham.

Can a penguin fly a helicopter?
In "The Lighter Side" [360391/30137/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:56, 10th April 2025
 
I can't believe I'm even posting this here, as it's so ... wow! 

From the BBC:

Unsecured penguin caused helicopter crash in South Africa



An "unsecured" penguin in a cardboard box was the cause of a helicopter crash in South Africa, a report into the incident has found.

The penguin, which had been placed in the box and on the lap of a passenger, slid off and knocked the pilot's controls just after take-off from Bird Island off the Eastern Cape on 19 January.

The South African Civil Aviation Authority said the impact sent the helicopter crashing to the ground. No-one on board, including the penguin, was hurt.

The authority said that "the lack of secure containment for the penguin" was responsible for creating the "dangerous situation".

According to the report, released this week, the flight had been conducting an aerial survey of the island in Gqeberha, Eastern Cape province.

After completing the survey, the helicopter landed, where a specialist then requested the transport of one penguin back to Port Elizabeth.

The report did not say why they had picked up the penguin.

The aviation authority said the pilot conducted a "risk assessment" but omitted to include the transport of the penguin on board which "was not in accordance with the Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR) 2011".

When the helicopter was about 15m (50 feet) above ground, the cardboard box slid off the lap of the specialist to the right and caused the cyclic pitch control lever to move to the far-right position causing the aircraft roll, the report determined.

Unable to recover, the main rotor blades then struck the ground and the helicopter ultimately crashed on its starboard side approximately 20m from the point of lift-off.

While the helicopter sustained substantial damage, both the pilot and passengers were uninjured and the penguin was unharmed.

The report said all situations should be subject to "established safety protocols" and compliance with aviation safety procedures.

It also said that a proper evaluation of the situation and potential hazards (such as cargo shifting) should have been conducted.

"The absence of a proper, secured crate meant that the penguin's containment was not suitable for the flight conditions," it said.


 

Re: Paddington bear stolen from Newbury in Berkshire, now recovered - March 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [360390/29972/31]
Posted by Clan Line at 20:55, 10th April 2025
 
Back in place !!  (Today's Telegraph)


Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360389/30135/10]
Posted by matth1j at 20:52, 10th April 2025
 
Were they definitely empty or just lightly loaded?
Not definitely - didn't spot any occupants as they passed through, but even the slower trains were moving reasonably quickly so I can't say for sure.

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360388/30135/10]
Posted by Hafren at 20:46, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
I've just been caught up in the knock-on delays. Were they definitely empty or just lightly loaded? Paddington-Swansea trains were diverted through Chippenham. It looks like some were held for some time at Swindon - perhaps awaiting crew, or maybe awaiting decision on whether or not the main line would reopen, or even awaiting slots between other trains. As a result of these waits at Swindon several ended up running through in close succession, so perhaps the first one had mopped up passengers and those behind were fairly empty.

Perhaps some had terminated at SWI for the same reason, and were running ECS to move out of the way. I note that a number of the Wales axis trains had started short at Reading; I suppose it's possible that one of the the 'second in the hour' Cardiff trains was part-cancelled and moving out of the way as well.

RTT won't have shown these if looking at Chippenham, as they were off their timetabled route. A search for those passing Wootton Bassett might offer more clues, as for a while the majority of trains running west would have ended up going through Chippenham.

Re: Spreading wings for a few days
In "Introductions and chat" [360387/30134/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:46, 10th April 2025
 
A small colony of those at our local Backwell Lake would be absolutely brilliant! 


Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360386/30135/10]
Posted by matth1j at 20:45, 10th April 2025
 
... So the trains through CPM may have been ... or just virtually empty because so few passengers managed to make use of them.

but presumably they would have stopped if they had been 'normal' services? They all should stop AFAIK, unless the decision was taken to skip some stops to make up time - hopefully the passengers were suitably warned if that was the case

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360385/30135/10]
Posted by stuving at 20:20, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
You'd do better to look at JourneyCheck:
Following a points failure near Chipping Sodbury, which has lasted much of the day, our South Wales to London Paddington services are taking the normal route again, between Bristol Parkway and Swindon. However, this incident has caused some considerable disruption, and many trains are running very late, and in some cases remain cancelled.

Or in RTT at Bristol Parkway there's a mass of red "cancel" and delay, while at Reading several trains can be found that show "no report" from BPW to Wootton Bassett Junction. So the trains through CPM may have been ECS, or just virtually empty because so few passengers managed to make use of them.

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360384/30135/10]
Posted by bobm at 20:16, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
I suspect after a number of signalling issues and a fatality at Stapleton Road today there were some positioning moves to get sets back into the right place.   These last minute moves do occasionally appear on RTT after the event but not always.

Re: Spreading wings for a few days
In "Introductions and chat" [360383/30134/1]
Posted by Clan Line at 20:09, 10th April 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
You don't have to go to Cornwall to see those - we've got them in the park in Warminster !   

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360382/30135/10]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:51, 10th April 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Interesting, that's it, ok, so I don't know why it isn't showing any ECS movements

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360381/30135/10]
Posted by matth1j at 19:42, 10th April 2025
 
RealTime Trains in Extended mode will tell you....

Thanks Chris - I can see a 'detailed' option, but that doesn't show anything - am I doing it wrong?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1owIBDxb7cTPhw6JJY-P0jqoG49zJh9OC/view?usp=drive_link

(Tried to insert image... failed...)

Re: Golfing by Train
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [360380/27369/31]
Posted by TonyK at 19:37, 10th April 2025
 
My wife rang to say there was a man harpist in the next carriage, making a lot of noise.  I think that's what she said.

Re: Chippenham this evening - empty trains
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [360379/30135/10]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:27, 10th April 2025
 
RealTime Trains in Extended mode will tell you....

 
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