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German rail network "at complete halt" 23/06 late evening.
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [376358/32163/52]
Posted by broadgage at 23:14, 23rd June 2026
 
Reported as being due to IT issues rather than heat  related.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crm0ek4z7ggo

Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376357/32138/26]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:17, 23rd June 2026
 
But I think this raises the issue of what market is CC trying to serve. Is it a business market or is leisure market service ? If the former, then it’s more likely that the destination station (or the city business district it serves) is the actual final destination. But if its leisure it maybe more likely that the final destination is further afield than a city business district, and most likely necessitating a change of transport (mode) anyway ?

I don't think any such analysis will help. The current Cross Country set-up is used for a variety reasons. Personally, I have used it for holidays (Reading-Newcastle as part of a Scottish trip, to get to Southampton Airport for a flights, and in my youth, before it was a thing, equivalent services for holidays in Scotland and Dorset starting from Reading), business (mostly to get to Birmingham, Wolverhampton or Manchester for meetings), family visits when my in-laws lived in North Yorkshire, and commuting, when Cross Country still ran to Gatwick and Portsmouth and sometimes it was a convenient (and much more comfortable) way to do the Reading-Guildford part of my commute.

I think that this misses the point. It's not just an end-to-end service for grannies in Manchester or Newcastle to go the seaside at Bournemouth or Torquay. It is a very useful service for all kinds of travellers using various parts and various lengths of its network. The main cause of complaint repeated on this forum (over-crowding) shows that there is more demand for its services than can be coped with by its current capacity. Small fixed-formation 4- or 5-car trains are no longer sufficient.

You may also call the Swansea -> Portsmouth and Brighton service (as it was) Cross County, and Liverpool - Newcastle ... under GBR▸ there is some logic to move things between logical divisions for today rather than for the last 30 years.  Might add the Marches line too.

This highlights a confusion. Are we talking about the current Cross Country franchise operation, based on long-distance services running largely on an X-shaped network linking Scotland, the North-east, Yorkshire and the East Midlands (on one arm), Manchester, Cheshire/Staffs and Wolverhampton (on the second), the Thames Valley and the Solent/Greater Bournemouth area (on the third) and Bristol and the South-west on the fourth, and a "tail" to Stanstead, all radiating out of Birmingham? I can see the sense of these remaining as a single business unit, with a common core fleet of trains and staff, into which the other routes you mention do not seem to fit well.

Or do you mean that under a new unified GBR, they ought to be promoted together as part of a strategy to encourage more rail use by long-distance travellers not intending to travel via London? I can support this, as over many years I've been surprised by how few potential passengers are surprised to learn (for example) that there are direct trains from Reading to Gatwick or Manchester. But I cannot see any advantage or possible improvement to the trains on the current Cross Country routes from lumping them into the same operating division or business unit.

Re: Two South Western Ambulance workers arrested after six people die in Wiltshire
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376356/30766/31]
Posted by broadgage at 21:55, 23rd June 2026
 
I think that this occurred during or slightly before one my hospital trips.
My oxygen saturation was measured and recorded frequently in line with normal practice.
But what struck me as unusual, was that some readings by had to be witnessed by a second person.
There was nothing concerning about the actual readings,

"Cancellations on all routes" 24-26 June 2026
In "Across the West" [376355/32162/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:45, 23rd June 2026
 
Cancellations to services on all routes

Due to severe weather:

Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:59 26/06.
Customer Advice
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Amended service to run during extreme heat following rare Met Office red weather warning.
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Essential travel only on Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June into, through, or out of the red warning area.
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Due to a rare red warning of extreme heat, customers are being warned of essential travel only on Wednesday and Thursday.
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Extreme heat can cause rails to expand and buckle, so when temperatures reach certain thresholds, trains must run more slowly to keep services safe. This will mean fewer trains and slightly longer journey times during the warmest periods of each day.
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Prolonged high temperatures can also affect equipment on our older regional train fleet, including engines and cooling systems. This means there may be some short-notice changes or cancellations, particularly during the hottest parts of the day.

To help customers, those with tickets to travel on Tuesday 23, Wednesday 24 and Thursday 25 June can use them to travel on Monday 22, Tuesday 23 and up to and including Friday 26 June. The ticket changes apply to those travelling into, through, or out of the red warning zone local journeys in Devon and Cornwall do not apply.
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While we expect to operate the majority of services across the network, the reduction follows the Met Office extreme heat weather warning from Monday 22 June until Thursday 25 June.

Re: Cancellations to services between Bournemouth & Southampton Central - ongoing incidents
In "South Western services" [376354/30445/42]
Posted by MVR S&T at 21:22, 23rd June 2026
 
Two issues this evening, both up and down lines in separate locations on the Brockenhurst panel area.

Re: Marlow
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376353/27661/13]
Posted by Mark A at 19:14, 23rd June 2026

Re: Marlow
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376352/27661/13]
Posted by Electric train at 19:01, 23rd June 2026
 
The donkey's broken down, poor creature.

Mark

It is only the Donkey, services on the former Maidenhead - High Wycombe main line are still operating a service Maidenhead - Bourne End

Windsor Central
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376351/32161/13]
Posted by Mark A at 18:21, 23rd June 2026
 
The branch line train has expired. Disruption 'Until the end of the day'.

Mark

Marlow
In "Thames Valley Branches" [376350/27661/13]
Posted by Mark A at 18:19, 23rd June 2026
 
The donkey's broken down, poor creature.

Mark

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376349/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 17:57, 23rd June 2026
 
175004 to Exeter depot today.

Ely :3: 175005/008, 175104 (175008 is in two halves)

Wolverton :8 :  175102/103/105/106/107/108/109/110

Laira : 14: 175002/007/009, 175114 ex Ely; 175001/003/006/011, 175101/111/112/113/115/116 ex Wolverton

Exeter : 1 : 175004 ex Wolverton

Long Rock : 1 : 175010 ex Ely

as of 23 June 2026

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [376348/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:52, 23rd June 2026
 
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376347/28556/25]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:24, 23rd June 2026
 
And another one in Cornwall falls over................

Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Due to a points failure between Par and Newquay all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:30 23/06.

........also caused the direct Newquay-Paddington service to be started from Plymouth.

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376346/31355/51]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:18, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Mark A
 
Haven't seen this before - I guess it's not the first time: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/gwr-weather-20260622/
The extreme heat forecasted this week can lead to an increase in points failures. To reduce the risk of this, Network Rail are not moving some of these points to protect the key route into London.

Yes, it's nothing new and is part of the KRS discussed here yesterday:

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=31163.msg376248#msg376248

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376345/31355/51]
Posted by JohnM at 14:58, 23rd June 2026
 
Haven't seen this before - I guess it's not the first time: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/gwr-weather-20260622/
The extreme heat forecasted this week can lead to an increase in points failures. To reduce the risk of this, Network Rail are not moving some of these points to protect the key route into London.

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [376344/25368/42]
Posted by Mark A at 14:36, 23rd June 2026
 
There's an impending 'Early engagement event' at Waterloo -for the future timetable - which was scheduled for Thursday 25th June but given the forecast it's been postponed to 1st July (16:00-20:00 on the concourse by the platform 10-11 gateline).

Mark

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376342/28556/25]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:41, 23rd June 2026
 
Customer Advice
As a result, the service is running hourly as opposed to the usual hourly service. All trains will continue to serve Perranwell.

huh?

Insert 'half'... 

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376341/28556/25]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:31, 23rd June 2026
 
Customer Advice
As a result, the service is running hourly as opposed to the usual hourly service. All trains will continue to serve Perranwell.

huh?

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376340/28556/25]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:13, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Mark A, eightonedee
 

Just the two branches nixed today.............

Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Dreadful grammar, does no one take O level (GCSE nowadays) in English anymore

Lines are blocked because more trains need repair, surely that should be nothing to do with a blockage, but depot can't cope with repairing trains allocated to it, so can't find any rolling stock.  Or does it mean a train has broken down blocking the line (and why all lines, not line, is there more than one)

Truro and Falmouth docks, again no explanation of why happens to between those stations, rather than other lines.   Also can be read as 1 of 2 trains isn't operating, so does that mean half fleet for that line is unrepaired.

Fewer trains are able to run on some lines, what does that mean, which lines, why are they unable rather than could if we had enough.

Homework mark about D+ for confused reasoning and inaccurate facts

Agreed, this style of messaging is incoherent and doesn't reflect well on the industry.

With the Looe branch, 150239 has been sent down on a VSTP schedule so the branch reopened with the 10:48 from Liskeard, so the first three trains ended up being cancelled.

As for the Falmouth branch, was this additional information for the Falmouth entry showing earlier today, but not quoted, TG?

Customer Advice
Due to a train fault, one of the trains we had planned to run the Truro to Falmouth Docks service is out of action, with a spare not immediately available.

As a result, the service is running hourly as opposed to the usual hourly service. All trains will continue to serve Perranwell.

Customers can, if they prefer, use their tickets on local buses. Details below.
Go Cornwall Bus route 32A: Falmouth (The Moor), Penryn, Truro (Bus Station), Truro (Station), Go Cornwall Bus route 33, 33A: Falmouth (The Moor), Penryn (Station), Redruth (Station) and Go Cornwall Bus route 36: Truro (Bus Station), Perranwell (Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376339/31355/51]
Posted by didcotdean at 11:00, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Puzzled by today's weather as the possibility of that downpour seems to have been missed by the forecasts. The satellite imagery of it shows that once it reached Bristol(ish) the cloud top expanded into a roughly circular patch covering a lot of south east England. It's the sort of event of which organisations much prefer to have advanced warning, perhaps the paid-for forecasts provided to and paid for by the likes of the railway included it.

Mark
The Met Office high resolution model UKV did show some potential for thunderstorms but the global models didn't have a sniff of them. Models specifically designed for thunderstorm potential also did reasonably well although those in the South East ended up a bit further north.

Re: Thunderstorms in the West Country - May and June 2026 - ongoing
In "Across the West" [376338/32078/26]
Posted by JohnM at 08:49, 23rd June 2026
 
We left Melksham for Downend (Bristol) yesterday evening at about 6.30, during the storm. It was chucking it down, with loads of water on the roads, and a small lake on the A4 just before the Bathford/Batheaston roundabout. There was a long queue coming the other way on the dual carriageway; there might have been something blocking the A363 down to Bradford as well.

Coming back just after 10.00 it was all clear.

Re: Thunderstorms in the West Country - May and June 2026 - ongoing
In "Across the West" [376337/32078/26]
Posted by Mark A at 08:35, 23rd June 2026
 
Overview from Bath from last night is that there were a lot of instances of flash flooding, often in places you'd not expect to see it - in the roads and roundabout at the top of Wellsway wouldn't be the first place that would come to mind as susceptible, and downhill roads then vulnerable to water flows, and where it was already damaged, removing the road surface. Also, instances of water escaping from overstretched drainage and then bursting road surfaces from beneath, and flooding of properties from the flash flooding on the roads and from roof drainage that blocked. Not a good evening to have a valley gutter. Fallen trees too including one that injured someone. I've not been out and about but I expect there's a lot of clearing up to be done. If the railways escaped then so much the better, this unforecasted event probed vulnerabilities and found more than a few.

Mark

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376336/28556/25]
Posted by Mark A at 08:25, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Andy
 
Agreed, this style of messaging is incoherent and doesn't reflect well on the industry.

Mark

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376335/31355/51]
Posted by JohnM at 08:17, 23rd June 2026
 
National Rail 'incident' https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/hot-weather-20260617/
Hot weather is forecast in England and Wales until at least Saturday 27 June; please only travel if absolutely necessary on 24 and 25 June

Re: Frome station - facilities, services, improvements, events and incidents - merged posts
In "Heart of Wessex" [376334/247/19]
Posted by rogerpatenall at 08:16, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Running non-stop between Castle Cary and Bruton? That will be a special treat for the memory bank.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [376333/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:14, 23rd June 2026
 
Elizabeth Line has fallen over due to a points failure - so that options now gone for those travelling from Twyford/Maidenhead/Slough etc this morning if they wish to get to London.

No service between Heathrow Terminals 2&3 and Heathrow Terminal 4 due to flooding caused by heavy rain and SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line due to a points failure at Southall. Tickets are being accepted on London Underground via any reasonable route.

Update

Route(s) affected
Between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminals / Reading

Description
Severe weather at Heathrow Terminal 4 means that all lines are blocked to / from this station. As a result, trains running to / from Heathrow Terminals may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

Lines have now reopened following an earlier points failure at Southall. Trains running between London Paddington and Reading may continue to be cancelled, delayed by up to to 25 minutes or revised.

Disruption is expected until 10:00.

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376332/31355/51]
Posted by ray951 at 08:03, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Heritage Rail GWSR have cancelled all services this week owing to the heatwave.

West Somerset Railway the same. All services cancelled 23rd-25th inclusive.

https://www.wsfp.co.uk/news/record-forecasted-temperatures-see-west-somerset-railway-halt-trains-for-three-days-919570

Surely they could run diesel services, if steam is considered too much of a fire risk .

Diesel's suffer in very hot weather, in BR days it was not uncommon for many of what are now heritage would fail in service, BR often took rad louvers off of some classes of locos.

Also I sure the GWSR were considering the volunteers who would have to work in the extreme heat.

During the recent steam gala at the GWSR a volunteer collapsed due to heat stroke, and the whole timetable had to be recast to allow for breaks and to ensure that there were no delays causing trains to be stationary for long periods of time in the sun.

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376331/28556/25]
Posted by John D at 07:53, 23rd June 2026
 

Just the two branches nixed today.............

Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Truro and Falmouth Docks fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Dreadful grammar, does no one take O level (GCSE nowadays) in English anymore

Lines are blocked because more trains need repair, surely that should be nothing to do with a blockage, but depot can't cope with repairing trains allocated to it, so can't find any rolling stock.  Or does it mean a train has broken down blocking the line (and why all lines, not line, is there more than one)

Truro and Falmouth docks, again no explanation of why happens to between those stations, rather than other lines.   Also can be read as 1 of 2 trains isn't operating, so does that mean half fleet for that line is unrepaired.

Fewer trains are able to run on some lines, what does that mean, which lines, why are they unable rather than could if we had enough.

Homework mark about D+ for confused reasoning and inaccurate facts



Re: How would YOU solve CrossCountry ?
In "Across the West" [376330/32138/26]
Posted by grahame at 07:32, 23rd June 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
If I had a spare day or two (spoiler: I don't) I'd be very tempted to take the Origin/Destination Matrix data and map it onto CrossCountry route patterns.

In other words, of the journeys starting in (say) Reading, how many are heading for a destination that is best served by a CrossCountry service across Birmingham? I genuinely don't know the answer - I'm intrigued to see that there are more Reading–Banbury passengers than Reading–Manchester Piccadilly, for example, but then when you add Stockport…

I suspect you could get some interesting answers simply by matching up origins/destinations within certain polygons (e.g. the North-West to the South-West).

The ticket sales data is interesting - it tells a story of where people have travelled and not what the potential for travel is were it to be easier.    We have a Complete matrix for Reading in the Coffee Shop - showing 2400 different sources/destinations for tickets sold. 

It is instructive to look at the history and see changing patterns with the arrival of the Elizabeth line - ticket sales to place like Stratford.    And, yes, re-analysing (I don't have the spare time either) the data in zones is interesting; I have in the past done that to look at Swindon / Chippenham to the Solent area ...

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [376329/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:07, 23rd June 2026
 
Elizabeth Line has fallen over due to a points failure - so that options now gone for those travelling from Twyford/Maidenhead/Slough etc this morning if they wish to get to London.

No service between Heathrow Terminals 2&3 and Heathrow Terminal 4 due to flooding caused by heavy rain and SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line due to a points failure at Southall. Tickets are being accepted on London Underground via any reasonable route.

 
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