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Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381768/32456/31]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:41, 9th November 2026
 
You might watch this - if you didn't see it back in 1982....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCXXzPcwj3c

A Nuclear Bomb in London | Q.E.D.: A Guide to Armageddon | BBC Archive

Re: Padlocking your luggage to the train to prevent theft
In "Across the West" [381767/32706/26]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 10:25, 9th November 2026
 
I do wonder what the rate of return is from stealing luggage from racks. In most cases you'd just end up with someone's part-worn clothes and toiletries, with any valuables surely(?) on the owner's body or in a small bag kept with them. It's a pity though that modern trains with seats crammed together don't readily allow for putting luggage behind seats to keep an eye on.

Back in the day I did used to worry a bit about my bike being stolen mid-journey from the guard's van everyone had access to. Knowing that locking it to the train wouldn't go down well, I compromised by locking it to itself, so that at least it would have to be carried rather than wheeled, making any theft harder and more obvious.

[otd] 10th November 1840 - Boiler explosion, Bromsgrove
In "Railway History and related topics" [381766/32707/55]
Posted by grahame at 10:07, 9th November 2026
 
From Wikipedia
10th November 1840 – The Bromsgrove Boiler Explosion: One of the earliest recorded fatal locomotive accidents in Britain occurred on the Lickey Incline. The boiler of an experimental steam locomotive named Surprise (often associated with Dr. William Church) exploded at Bromsgrove station in Worcestershire, killing two railway employees. A famous headstone at St John the Baptist Church in Bromsgrove commemorates the engineers

We often read / hear of steam engine boilers being "in ticket until ..." or "out of ticket" but I have drawn pretty close to a blank on researching the history of when these became mandatory.  Further links and quotes would be helpful!

The history of steam engine boiler certificates and safety inspections evolved from early 19th-century industrial disasters into a structured system of periodic testing and insurance

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381765/32456/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:59, 9th November 2026
 
Going off at a slight tangent here (and I can, because I'm an admin ), there is a somewhat related topic article, from the BBC:

Hut owner wins battle to keep living in off-grid home he built


Finnimore believes building the hut was the best option during a cost-of-living and housing crisis - Image © Geoffrey Finnimore

An off-grid hut that produces its own heating and electricity can continue to be the home of the man who built it, a council has decided.

Geoffrey Finnimore, a self-employed architectural designer, erected the structure in Glandwr, near Crymych, in 2020, but never told authorities or asked for permission.

Pembrokeshire council told him he must apply for retrospective permission for the home that is self-sufficient, and also collects rain water.

However, the local authority found that because it has now been occupied as a home for more than four years, it is immune from prosecution action.

"Without my home, which I created to solve my own problems without state assistance, having to pay for other accommodation would be catastrophic for my finances and well-being," Finnimore said.

The council asked him to apply for a lawful development certificate for the property.  This is a formal legal document confirming the development is lawful.

But as he had lived there for more than four years, it meant he could not be prosecuted, so his application was accepted, the Local Democracy Reporting Service said.


No doubt the Council will pay their own (misguided) legal costs - at their taxpayers expense. 

Re: Tram overturns in Croydon - 7 killed, 51 injured - 9 Nov 2016
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [381764/17643/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:15, 9th November 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

Families of Croydon tram crash victims say justice not been done


Tram 2551 was en route from New Addington to Wimbledon via East Croydon when it crashed

Ten years on from the fatal Croydon tram crash, the families of those who died say they believe they were failed by the justice system.

Tram 2551 came off the tracks on a sharp bend at 06:07 GMT on 9 November 2016. It was travelling at over 43mph (70km/h) - more than three times the recommended limit.

Sixty-nine passengers were on board at the time. Seven people died and 61 were injured.

The driver Alfred Dorris was cleared of health and safety offences following a trial, while Transport for London (TfL) and Tram Operations Limited (TOL) were fined a total of £14m for failing in their health and safety duties.

"It's a milestone at 10 years, but to us we live with it everyday. Justice was not served," says Jean Smith, whose son Mark died in the derailment.

Danielle Richardson, who lost her grandfather Phillip Logan, says: "I'm always going to feel bitter. I'm always going to feel that anger towards Transport for London."


Dorota Rynkiewicz, Dane Chinnery, Donald Collett, Mark Smith, Phil Seary, Philip Logan and Robert Huxley were killed in the derailment - Image © Met Police

The seven people who died were Dane Chinnery, 19, Philip Seary, 57, Dorota Rynkiewicz, 35, Robert Huxley, 63, and Philip Logan, 52, all from New Addington, and Donald Collett, 62, and Mark Smith, 35, both from Croydon.

Of the 61 injured, 19 were seriously hurt. Many sustained life-changing injuries, from chronic pain to amputations.

All of them were on their way to work.

(BBC article continues, in some detail)


I recommend a full read of that BBC news item - it contains a lot of detail about that sad incident.

CfN. 

Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381763/24927/21]
Posted by Mark A at 09:08, 9th November 2026
 
This can be a situation where a rising tide can lift all boats. A more joined-up network, more useable and relevant to people's lives and this catalyses services to be strengthened on parts of the network in reach but less well served.

Re: Padlocking your luggage to the train to prevent theft
In "Across the West" [381762/32706/26]
Posted by Mark A at 09:04, 9th November 2026
 
Well there was that time, as I retrieved it approaching Newport, the waistband of my rucksack accidentally fastened itself securely to the light fitting of a class 166, thankfully the staff were very understanding as I undertook an unintended trip to accompany it from Newport to Cardiff. I've never seen a carriage full of people travelling to work go so deadpan though.

(When this happens to you, something thin and flexible will make for a quick-release key: push the strap further in to the light fitting, persuade whatever you have to hand to pass beneath the buckle and withdraw both together.)

Re: Where to live around London
In "Transport for London" [381761/32704/46]
Posted by grahame at 08:57, 9th November 2026
 
As soon as people start doing this, house prices will go up steeply. Homes in other London commuter belt towns within 30-45 mins train ride that have become popular options have all rocketed in price

There is always going to be an ongoing up-and-down as travel improves / regresses, as local facilities and schools and medicals get better / worse in an area, and as popularity / marketing / fashion changes.   I recall that at one time, the Medway towns (Rochester, Chatham, Gillingham) were a good, lower priced place to live, encouraged by fast, lower peak cost rail services - not sure if that's still the case.  When I lived in Harpenden, there was a joke about a line marked "£6000" on the road to Luton which was the typical difference in house price for that one (as it was in those days) extra stop on the train; got married for the first time in 1978, moved north and swapped a two-up two-down mid terrace in Batford for a three bedroom semi in Caddington without the need for much extra capital.

Padlocking your luggage to the train to prevent theft
In "Across the West" [381760/32706/26]
Posted by grahame at 08:23, 9th November 2026
 
From a social media enquiry from a group looking at travel for older people around Europe - on padlocking your luggage to the train's luggage rack in order to reduce / prevent theft

Does anyone have a recommendation for a cable lock to secure your luggage while on the train?  Thanks in advance.

A mix of responses ranging from recommendations of particular lock products to "don't do it".  I replied:
In many countries, you are not permitted to to cable lock your luggage to the train. Best check for the specific country.
and brough a whole load of "like"s and support such as
I saw a very angry train manager on a French train call out a tourist for chaining a case in the luggage rack.
which I confirmed
I can believe it. They hinder others including staff from arranging things to make best use of space, and they're a nightmare when someone leaves their baggage on a train by mistake, looses the key of forgets the combination.

But - oh dear - I seem to have annoyed the people who have flown under the radar with this and seem to routinely lock their luggage to racks:
I was happy to contribute to this as I have a well used lock (link below) BUT why are there so many inaccurate and angry responses. This is a friendly group normally so even if you disagree you can state it more kindly than some have.  In my experience (UK & Europewide) it only takes a little consideration (which I would have thought natural to this older crowd) when using said locks to avoid inconveniencing others. Product recommendation not quoted

Locking luggage to a train rack is generally discouraged or prohibited by many train operators.  As an example, Lumo (a UK operator) state "For safety reasons, luggage cannot be padlocked to the train's infrastructure or doors."

I am not a fan of AI answers, but this one I got when I asked seems to me to confirm the situation as I understand it:

The Rules and Risks

* Staff Interventions: Train guards and staff may ask you to remove chains, bike locks, or heavy cables if they obstruct emergency aisles, block other people's bags, or slow down operations at busy stops.
* Safety & Evacuation: In an emergency, locked-down bags can trip people or delay a fast evacuation.
* Theft Realities: While luggage theft does occasionally happen—usually when thieves grab a bag right as doors open or rifle through unmonitored overhead racks—widespread consensus notes that locking a bag to a communal rack is often unnecessary and can annoy staff

Practical Alternatives

* Choose Your Seat Wisely: Book a seat close to the end-of-coach luggage stacks or overhead racks so you can keep your eyes on your belongings.
* Keep Valuables Near You: Always pack passports, money, laptops, and phones in a small daypack or bag that stays under your seat or on your person.
* Use Light Deterrents (If Preferred): If you choose to use a flexible tether, compact options like retractable cable locks are available via Amazon.co.uk Cable Lock Listings

Personally?   I travel a lot, do not use locks but do place luggage sensibly within sight. My own rucksack has straps which have firm clips on them - released in an instant, but hold if you don't press on exactly the right spot. Where I put my luggage down / have it with me (not so much on train, but in restaurant, waiting or seating areas, etc), I DO clip it to the seat sometimes.  Doesn't stop it being picked up, but does mean that an opportunist doing a grab and would find him/herself pulled up short.  To my knowldege, the effectiveness of approach has never been tested on my luggage, and I do take care to ensure that personal stuff stays much closer to my person.



The rules / regulations on this are not exactly stuff that makes the headlines - after all, there are so many pressing issues around that much need to go unsaid.   I can recall a past conversation about shelling prawns on the underground, which whilst we considered it antisocial didn't appear to be against the rules - but as far as I know, there are no specifics anywhere.

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381759/32456/31]
Posted by broadgage at 08:16, 9th November 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Governments telling us to stockpile much more officially now - so what do they know? Mar-a-largo being equipped with surface to air missiles (defence??). US military training soldiers to dig mass graves.  Russia Is Ready For War With Europe, Putin Warns.  What was going on at Fairford?  Trump threatens Iran escalation after the mid-terms.   

This thread, I note, is in "The West, but not trains in The West".   Am I straying too far from trains?


I suspect that they "know" just how vulnerable modern society is to any disruption in food supplies or utilities, and that the UK  is especially bad at preparing for this.
It is now about 80 years since the last major war in Europe.
It is now about 75 years since the East Coast floods.
It is now over 50 years since the last major national disruption to electricity supplies, outside living memory for many.
When I was a kid most homes still had a fire place, now rare.

Most of the population have no idea how to cope with significant disruption.

It is in my view a proper subject to discuss.

Re: West of England Line - Soil Moisture Deficit Update - 10 October 2025
In "South Western services" [381758/30889/42]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:49, 9th November 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Chris from Nailsea
 
.....you would need to redouble the line to get all the extra water trains through. .....

I should have mentioned that I would expect the water trains to run overnight, which would also reduce evaporation rates.

Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381757/24927/21]
Posted by grahame at 07:43, 9th November 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Mark A
 
I have added a calendar link into the Coffee Shop diary.    For those of us from further afield, first train would involve staying away from home the night before (hotel, hostel, park bench) and I will probably be with you in spirit rather than in person.

I admit - slight jealousy.  New stations at Ashely Down, Portway Parkway, Bristol Parkway, Yate, Cam and Dursley, and Pill and Portishead physically under way ("shovels in the ground") with Henbury not far behind. Last brand new station in Wiltshire - 1937. Just one re-opening of a Beeching era (1966) closure in 1985 and with a much thinner service than any of the WECA / Bristol area stations.  Congratulations to the area, including all the campaigners and community advocates and partners in the area who have and continue to help on this appropriate re-inviguration of rail in the area.

Re: More RMT strikes on the Tube starting 26 November
In "Transport for London" [381756/32699/46]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:49, 9th November 2026
 
A strike designed to stop people having the choice of a shorter working week and more time off is a strange choice to make.
Beware greeks bearing gifts!
An employer offering a shorter working week - brilliant.  Yes, I'll take it.
Hang on. It has to save the employer money, so what's the catch?

I believe staff can chose the 4 or 5 day working week - so those who want a four day week can have it.

Yep - that quote is directly from a senior ASLEF official, whose members have voted to accept the new arrangements.

This is largely about Dempsey doing what Dempsey does.

Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381755/24927/21]
Posted by johnneyw at 23:42, 8th November 2026
 
Less than a minute from the station entrance are a cluster of container type commercial units which includes a coffee shop ...

That's absolutely brilliant, johnneyw - thanks for posting that information!  

I rather intend to attend that event, and will look out for other members of the Coffee Shop forum there.  Please do walk up and tap me on the shoulder, if you do happen to recognize me.

CfN.  


Looks likely that I'll be in Bristol then so I might plod down the to see the first train off or, more likely, make a grand entrance on the first train in just a little later. 


Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381754/24927/21]
Posted by johnneyw at 23:35, 8th November 2026
 
In terms of roads / paths etc, how much is open up there? Living near Ashley Down thinking thia may be a nice easy way of visiting Aerospace Bristol but obviously that depends on being able to easily get to there from the new station.

I took the 75 from Gloucester Road and got off just before the newly built Runway Avenue which runs up through the middle of the former airfield.  It's a bit of walk up to the station from there (although one of the Metrobust services that goes to the Mall runs along there) and the station is signposted from the Avenue even if it's not entirely clear were the pathway is (best to walk past the frontages of the container outlets).  The entrance to the station is right next to the side of the Propeller Quarter building.
Off course, from Ashley Down Station, there's the 07.17 to Brabazon....the first train arrive at, rather than depart, Bristol Brabazon.

Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381753/24927/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:34, 8th November 2026
 
Less than a minute from the station entrance are a cluster of container type commercial units which includes a coffee shop ...

That's absolutely brilliant, johnneyw - thanks for posting that information!  

I rather intend to attend that event, and will look out for other members of the Coffee Shop forum there.  Please do walk up and tap me on the shoulder, if you do happen to recognize me.

CfN.  

Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381752/24927/21]
Posted by WelshBluebird at 22:33, 8th November 2026
 
For anyone interested in going to the station opening on the 23rd or using it in the future, I noticed on my visit that there are nearby refreshment opportunities.  Less than a minute from the station entrance are a cluster of container type commercial units which includes a coffee shop and for the hungrier, a pasta bar.  I've not tried either so I can't comment on the how good they are, nor can I recall the options on offer, other than that the pasta place seemed to be reasonably priced.
All of the outlets seemed to be geared to the adjacent student flats which provided the only signs of human life that day apart from a middle aged couple who stopped in their car to ask me if I knew of a pasta restaurant nearby.

In terms of roads / paths etc, how much is open up there? Living near Ashley Down thinking thia may be a nice easy way of visiting Aerospace Bristol but obviously that depends on being able to easily get to there from the new station.

Re: New station at North Filton - now named as 'Bristol Brabazon' - ongoing discussion
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381748/24927/21]
Posted by johnneyw at 21:10, 8th November 2026
Already liked by Mark A, grahame, Chris from Nailsea
 
For anyone interested in going to the station opening on the 23rd or using it in the future, I noticed on my visit that there are nearby refreshment opportunities.  Less than a minute from the station entrance are a cluster of container type commercial units which includes a coffee shop and for the hungrier, a pasta bar.  I've not tried either so I can't comment on the how good they are, nor can I recall the options on offer, other than that the pasta place seemed to be reasonably priced.
All of the outlets seemed to be geared to the adjacent student flats which provided the only signs of human life that day apart from a middle aged couple who stopped in their car to ask me if I knew of a pasta restaurant nearby.

Re: Where to live around London
In "Transport for London" [381744/32704/46]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 20:16, 8th November 2026
 
As soon as people start doing this, house prices will go up steeply. Homes in other London commuter belt towns within 30-45 mins train ride that have become popular options have all rocketed in price

Where to live around London
In "Transport for London" [381743/32704/46]
Posted by grahame at 20:06, 8th November 2026
 
From My London

The commuter town named one of UK's best with homes £300K cheaper

We spoke to a business owner and a local Councillor about what life is like in the area

Londoners have loads of nearby towns and villages we can move to in search of a cheaper life while keeping their jobs in the capital. Leighton Buzzard, which 'has lots of character' and is just 30 minutes from London Euston by train, is one of those places.

Where would you suggest for economic, practical and enjoyable living for London based commuters about the Leighton Buzzard distance / time out.

Re: Egypt - At least seven killed, over 100 injured, in train collision - 8 Nov 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381741/32702/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:49, 8th November 2026
 
An update, from the BBC, which includes reference to previous incidents, reminding us that Egypt has a rather sad history, in terms of railway safety:

At least seven people have died in a train crash near the Egyptian city of Giza, with more than 100 injured.

The country's railway authority said two trains travelling south from Giza and Cairo collided, causing several carriages to derail and fall down an embankment.

Images from the scene showed people looking inside overturned carriages for injured passengers as a massive emergency response was launched.

Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said he had ordered state authorities to "investigate the circumstances of the accident, and hold accountable anyone found to have been negligent".

The public prosecutor's office warned the death toll could rise.

The government said hospitals in the area had been put "on heightened alert" as they dealt with a massive influx of patients.  Egypt's health minister Dr Khaled Abdel Ghaffar said people were being treated for broken bones and head injuries.

The driver of one of the trains was among those who died in the crash, the ministry confirmed.

The first train involved in the crash was travelling from Giza to Fayoum, south of Cairo, when it crashed into the rear of another service heading south from Cairo to Aswan, which was stationary on the tracks.  Images from the scene showed some carriages had overturned, with the body of at least one appearing to have split in two.

Trains between Giza and the Upper Egypt region were suspended as cranes were dispatched to remove the wrecked trains.

The collision occurred in the area between Kafr Ammar and Al-Raqqa stations in Al-Ayyat, close to where Egypt's deadliest train tragedy occurred in February 2002, when a fire engulfed a passenger train travelling from Cairo to Luxor.

The train continued for around nine kilometres (5.6 miles) before coming to a halt.  In that incident, more than 370 people were officially reported killed, although some estimates put the toll considerably higher.

Two further crashes in the area in 2009 killed dozens more.

There were calls in Egypt on Sunday for the transport minister to resign over the latest deadly rail disaster.


Re: Egypt - At least seven killed, over 100 injured, in train collision - 8 Nov 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381740/32702/52]
Posted by grahame at 18:11, 8th November 2026
 
Train travelling south collided with another train - Reuters
published at 15:26

The state railway authority says a train travelling from Giza to Fayoum - approximately 100km (62 miles) south of Cairo - collided with the back of another train, the Reuters news agency reports.

The authority also says that the second train was travelling between Cairo and Aswan, in southern Egypt, the agency adds.
Local news agency al-Masry al-Youm notes that the collision happened between the Kafr Ammar and Al-Raqqa stations.

and

More now from the Public Prosecution Office statement.

The office says that after an inspection of the scene, and speaking to eyewitnesses, they have determined that the front of the train travelling from Giza to Fayoum crashed into the back of the Cairo-Aswan rail service.

It adds that the train in front (Cairo-Aswan service) had stopped on the tracks. Both trains were heading in the same direction, the statement says.

It reads to me that the local train from Giza to Faroum crashed into the the long distance train from Cairo to Aswan which was stationary at the time.   No indication as to the probable cause or other factors as yet.

Egypt - At least seven killed, over 100 injured, in train collision - 8 Nov 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381739/32702/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:52, 8th November 2026
 
From the BBC:

At least seven killed and more than 100 injured in Egypt train collision, health ministry says



Summary

At least seven people have died and dozens are injured after a train collision in al-Ayyat in Egypt's Giza governorate, the local health ministry says

A train driver is among those killed, the ministry adds - it's not yet clear what caused the collision

More than 70 ambulances have been deployed to the scene, officials say, with at least 112 people thought to have sustained injuries

Three hospitals are being used to treat the wounded, the health ministry says in its statement

Images show derailed train carriages with large crowds of people nearby, and Egyptian Red Crescent workers at the scene

This crash site has a long history of rail disasters, writes our reporter, including the country's deadliest when hundreds of people died in 2002 after a passenger train was engulfed in flames


 
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