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Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376619/32149/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:58, 1st July 2026
 
He'll have problems making urgent statements in the House then.

Re: Eight countries in the last couple of weeks.
In "The Lighter Side" [376618/32189/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:57, 1st July 2026
 
Two correct so far

5. Germany (Aachen) - ChrisB
8. Belgium (Leuven) - eightonedee

Sorry - no. 1 is not the Netherlands.


Re: Eight countries in the last couple of weeks.
In "The Lighter Side" [376617/32189/30]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:48, 1st July 2026
 
5. Germany

Re: Eight countries in the last couple of weeks.
In "The Lighter Side" [376616/32189/30]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:45, 1st July 2026
 
My bid is for 1. to be Den Haag, Netherlands

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376615/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 09:18, 1st July 2026
 
Today Newquay 2 hour gap but looks like 175003 coming off training to take up the diagram. 175114, 175115, 175009, and a 150 working the HST diagrams. Paignton had a one gap and a later short form probably to fill the missing train.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376614/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 09:11, 1st July 2026
 
Will GBR keep the management on in December?

Why wouldn’t they?

I have sympathy for ‘the management’ as they have inherited an already unreliable fleet which needed much TLC to offer up OK levels of reliability with TfW and which was left to fester for a year or two in sidings.

A far worse decision from ‘the management’ would have been to chuck them out in service at a rate of knots, and watch them screw up the main line by failing on a daily basis.

Or another poor decision would have been to take the Class 175s over a much more reliable unit…but the 175s were all that was on offer.

And if GWR had persevered with the 769s the turbos would have come west.

And they were told not to persevere with the 769s by the DfT to cut costs.

And had they persevered, they would probably have been less reliable than the 175s!

https://www.railbusinessuk.com/traction-rolling-stock/2022/12/23/gwr-fleet-to-shrink-further-as-it-abandons-class-769-introduction/
And stopped Alliance Rail using them this year.

Re: The Red Arrows - RAF display team, popular with members on the Coffee Shop forum (merged posts)
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376613/6939/31]
Posted by Mark A at 08:58, 1st July 2026
 
'Smoke' is famous now, I read.

Mark

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376612/32151/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:45, 1st July 2026
 
Correct - but at the same time it is valid to be ask if the RAIB is uncovering all the facts.  I have absolutely no reason/evidence to suggest they are not doing a really good and complete job, but never the less it is valid to check up on the skilled and trained specialists.  Just because someone's appointed to a role as the expert / authority does not make them perfect - as we have seen from various scandals in other fields over the years.

That's fine, if that's the scrutiny/question. BUT this isn't - as has already been noted, they are on a wild goose chase about an extra signal that would NOT have made the slightest difference IN THIS case, as it would only have been effected on that fast first train, while the second slow train would not have passed it at all.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376611/32151/51]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 08:32, 1st July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I'm confident that in the light of the Neville Hill collision and now this, the RAIB will subject the behaviour of the class 8xx couplings to scrutiny. They're now working with a sample of two collisions, the first at ~14mph and the second, far more severe, ~50mph and in both, one of the train's carriages has derailed and been laterally displaced sufficient to foul an adjacent running line.

I’m sure many things will be put under scrutiny. 

Worth remembering that a similar speed rear end collision in the 1950s caused the second biggest rail disaster in British history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrow_and_Wealdstone_rail_crash

Appreciating that all incidents are different, and that there were far more passengers on the trains at Harrow, it just shows how far we have come in terms of crash worthiness design.  Had similar rolling stock to that at Harrow been involved they would have telescoped and/or folded like a pack of cards.

Re: E-scooters being advertised for commuting despite UK road ban - BBC - 1.7.2026
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [376610/32188/50]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:04, 1st July 2026
 
The quoted BBC article is incorrect in that it fails to state the use of e-scooters in the UK is completely banned except for the specified trial areas:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-scooter-trials-guidance-for-users#trial-areas


Re: E-scooters being advertised for commuting despite UK road ban - BBC - 1.7.2026
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [376609/32188/50]
Posted by JohnM at 08:00, 1st July 2026
 
In other countries, what happens if an e-scooter hits your car? No one is injured, but does the driver have to claim on their insurance - how does it work?

In fact what happens in this country if you're hit by a legal rented e-scooter - you claim on the rental company?

Re: Eight countries in the last couple of weeks.
In "The Lighter Side" [376608/32189/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 07:48, 1st July 2026
 
8 looks like Belgium

Eight countries in the last couple of weeks.
In "The Lighter Side" [376607/32189/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:35, 1st July 2026
 
Can you identify the countries (some easy, some not, all different)

1.


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4.


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8.

Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376606/32149/40]
Posted by John D at 07:32, 1st July 2026
 
From the BBC:

Andy Burnham plans to work some days in Manchester as PM

Andy Burnham plans to spend some of his working week in Manchester if he becomes prime minister, the BBC has been told.

It is not clear whether he will spend a set number of days there, or whether there will be a more informal arrangement. But he plans to split his time between Downing Street and the North West, it is understood.

In his first speech since launching his Labour leadership bid, Burnham announced on Monday he would create a new "No 10 North" unit in Manchester if he replaces outgoing PM Sir Keir Starmer.

(BBC article continues)


Fair enough: Andy Burnham 'working from home' would limit his reliance on train services between Manchester and London - just for example.


I think he lives near Golborne, don't know exact part, but his local stations would be Bryn or Newton-le-Willows

Golborne gets a new station in 18 months time (currently under construction). It formerly had two stations, South on LNWR and North on Great Central (ex Liverpool, St Helens and South Lancashire Railway)


Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376605/28556/25]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:26, 1st July 2026
 
...............and again (x2)

09:03 London Paddington to Newquay due 14:27

09:03 London Paddington to Newquay due 14:27 will be terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Lostwithiel, Par and Newquay.

This is due to a fault on this train.

14:52 Newquay to London Paddington due 20:23

14:52 Newquay to London Paddington due 20:23 will be started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Newquay, Par, Liskeard and Saltash.

This is due to a fault on this train.

E-scooters being advertised for commuting despite UK road ban - BBC - 1.7.2026
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [376604/32188/50]
Posted by grahame at 05:10, 1st July 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3g20yxvm4o

E-scooters being advertised for commuting despite UK road ban

Retailers including Amazon, Argos and Currys have been found to advertise e‑scooters for use on public roads and paths, despite this being against UK law.

An investigation from the Press Association (PA) found major brands and independent sellers were promoting their use on the roads.

But only rented e-scooters can legally be ridden on roads, cycle paths and in parks in the UK. Privately-owned e-scooters can only be used on private land with the landowner's permission.

The major outlets changed their advertising after being contacted by PA. They also pointed to guidance on their websites which said customers had to follow local laws.

Personal view - the UK ban is beyond crazy ... travelling so much in other countries, private e-scooters are the norm and the are a common way of getting around ... for everyone.

Re: Minor lines in the far north
In "Railway History and related topics" [376603/27346/55]
Posted by grahame at 05:03, 1st July 2026
 
And at the opposite end of the scale - line OPENED 1st July 1903

That's the same day that the Badminton cutoff was opened - Wikipedia link and that survives to this day and is a very expensive piece of infrastructure to keep open and run reliably.  With some disquiet, I looked at Labour's plans to provide a railway that is more reliable and costs the public purse less. Closing expensive to maintain cutoffs would meet both of those manifesto objectives.  Electrify Chippenham to Temple Meads and Parkway to Temple Meads, 20 minute frequency London to Bristol with one train onward to Swansea ... just asking.

Somewhat ironic "on this day" ....

This is a reminder email regarding the upcoming engineering work between Bristol Parkway and Swindon where we'll be undertaking track renewal work, structural repairs and some further drainage work.

Between Monday 6 July and Sunday 2 August, services from London Paddington to South Wales will use an alternative route, extending journey times by around 25 minutes.

The frequency of services between London and South Wales will be reduced to hourly due to the longer journey times diverting trains via Chippenham instead. Additional services will also be provided between London Paddington and Swindon by extending some trains between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway.

For more information please visit the GWR website.

We would appreciate any support in cascading this information locally and please do get in touch if you have any questions
.

As it cuts the only electric train route from London to South Wales ... reduces what they can run on it too.  Should have electrified the whole alternative route too ;-)


Re: London Transport Museum announces "transformation"
In "Transport for London" [376602/32186/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:01, 30th June 2026
 
Thank you for your post here, stuving. 

Instinctively, I had a look around on the Coffee Shop forum, as I was sure there has been some previous discussion about the excellent London Transport Museum.  Indeed, there has been. 

However, on this occasion, I resisted the temptation to do some of my 'moving and merging' of topics: if any of our readers would like to read more about the London Transport Museum here, please do a forum 'deep search'.

CfN. 

Re: The Red Arrows - RAF display team, popular with members on the Coffee Shop forum (merged posts)
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [376601/6939/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:38, 30th June 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

Red Arrows to get new jets replacing ageing Hawk

The Red Arrows will get new jets as part of a £15bn increase in military spending, the government has announced.

According to the UK's defence investment plan (DIP), the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has committed to investing £360m in developing a new "British Jet Trainer System", which will include "new jets for the Red Arrows to replace the ageing Hawk aircraft".

Last month, the team said it would fly with fewer aircraft at most displays in a bid to extend the lifespan of the Hawk, which entered service in the 1980s.

Welcoming the announcement, former Red Arrows pilot Andy Wyatt said: "It provides much-needed certainty that the process of replacing the Hawk aircraft is finally moving forward."

He said: "The aircraft chosen must meet the RAF's operational requirements, but I hope equal weight will be given to supporting British engineering, protecting highly skilled jobs and preserving sovereign aerospace capability.

"The aircraft carrying the famous red, white and blue smoke for decades to come should be a symbol of the very best that Britain can design, build and support."

(BBC article continues)


Re: Andy Burnham elected to parliament, with a strong transport reputation
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [376600/32149/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:23, 30th June 2026
 
From the BBC:

Andy Burnham plans to work some days in Manchester as PM

Andy Burnham plans to spend some of his working week in Manchester if he becomes prime minister, the BBC has been told.

It is not clear whether he will spend a set number of days there, or whether there will be a more informal arrangement. But he plans to split his time between Downing Street and the North West, it is understood.

In his first speech since launching his Labour leadership bid, Burnham announced on Monday he would create a new "No 10 North" unit in Manchester if he replaces outgoing PM Sir Keir Starmer.

Burnham's allies hope his presence in the city would be a strong symbol of his commitment to devolve power away from Westminster.

The former mayor of Greater Manchester announced his intention to stand to replace Sir Keir last Monday, shortly after being elected as the MP for Makerfield.

So far, he is the only Labour MP to announce a leadership bid. If he remains the sole candidate, he could become the next prime minister as early as 20 July.

Past prime ministers, including Sir Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, have spent some time away from London in their constituencies, but those around Burnham say his arrangements would be different to the norm.

If Burnham chose to not to make Downing Street his main home, he would become the first prime minister since Labour premier Harold Wilson not to reside primarily in the famous London building.

Wilson lived in No 10 during his first term in office between 1964 and 1970, but opted to live at Lord North Street, a short walk from Parliament, during his second premiership between 1974 and 1976.

(BBC article continues)


Fair enough: Andy Burnham 'working from home' would limit his reliance on train services between Manchester and London - just for example.


Bangor to Carmarthen by coach from autumn 2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [376599/32187/5]
Posted by Mark A at 21:45, 30th June 2026
Already liked by Richard Fairhurst
 
New service launching this autumn. That's put my January trip northbound from Carmarthen as far as Aberystwyth in the shade... Unfortunately the page doesn't have the timetable for the run.

Mark


https://www.gov.wales/new-coach-between-north-and-south-wales-will-cut-journey-times-over-hour

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376598/32151/51]
Posted by grahame at 20:58, 30th June 2026
 
Scrutinise all they like on the facts as given by RAIB - otherwise it is speculation of the worst kind

Correct - but at the same time it is valid to be ask if the RAIB is uncovering all the facts.  I have absolutely no reason/evidence to suggest they are not doing a really good and complete job, but never the less it is valid to check up on the skilled and trained specialists.  Just because someone's appointed to a role as the expert / authority does not make them perfect - as we have seen from various scandals in other fields over the years.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376597/32151/51]
Posted by Mark A at 20:46, 30th June 2026
 
I'm confident that in the light of the Neville Hill collision and now this, the RAIB will subject the behaviour of the class 8xx couplings to scrutiny. They're now working with a sample of two collisions, the first at ~14mph and the second, far more severe, ~50mph and in both, one of the train's carriages has derailed and been laterally displaced sufficient to foul an adjacent running line.

Mark

London Transport Museum announces "transformation"
In "Transport for London" [376596/32186/46]
Posted by stuving at 19:55, 30th June 2026
 
This is from the Londonist:
Major transformation is afoot at London Transport Museum.

Ahead of celebrating its 50th anniversary in 2030, the Covent Garden museum — which opened inside the Victorian flower market building in March 1980 — has revealed plans for a "once in a generation" glow-up.

These include a 'new' entrance on Covent Garden Piazza (technically the current entrance is already on the Piazza, via the gift shop, but the mock-up above suggests use will be made of an existing adjacent doorway.)

An extra 500 square metres will also be freed up inside the museum "for improved galleries and learning experiences", to include LTM50, an area "celebrating London's journey from Victorian innovation to the capital of tomorrow." What that means in terms of brand new exhibits, we're not yet sure.

The museum will remain open throughout the revamp, which will also include "major environmental upgrades" and "upgraded visitor facilities". It's not yet clear when works will commence.

The museum's own version is here (only a small screen/large print version).

Re: Server slow ...
In "News, Help and Assistance" [376595/30293/29]
Posted by grahame at 19:29, 30th June 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Our worker server has been overworked again - not sure of the details.   I have done something which I hope has brought it back - a test post suggest it's running.   I'm on a train and will have better connectivity in an hour or two.

OK - better connectivity here and I had cleared a problem.  No obvious pattern with the quick look I have had, so this may of may not have fixed it.  Server load dropping again as I write, so promising.


Ironically, whilst I have cleared a couple of naughty-boys that were loading the server, I have not found whatever it or who it is that is spiking a couple of times every day - and because that thing is starting from a lower base after my cleanup of other issues, it's getting more headroom and spiking worse.

I am home tomorrow afternoon, Eurostar and Great Western permitting (feels a bit like double jeopardy) and will find a quiet corner with some canine company to take another look.   In the meantime, I suggest you copy and paste a local copy of long posts before you submit them, just in case your post falls onto a spike.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376594/28982/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:20, 30th June 2026
 
Will GBR keep the management on in December?

Why wouldn’t they?

I have sympathy for ‘the management’ as they have inherited an already unreliable fleet which needed much TLC to offer up OK levels of reliability with TfW and which was left to fester for a year or two in sidings.

A far worse decision from ‘the management’ would have been to chuck them out in service at a rate of knots, and watch them screw up the main line by failing on a daily basis.

Or another poor decision would have been to take the Class 175s over a much more reliable unit…but the 175s were all that was on offer.

And if GWR had persevered with the 769s the turbos would have come west.

And they were told not to persevere with the 769s by the DfT to cut costs.

And had they persevered, they would probably have been less reliable than the 175s!

https://www.railbusinessuk.com/traction-rolling-stock/2022/12/23/gwr-fleet-to-shrink-further-as-it-abandons-class-769-introduction/

Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [376593/28556/25]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:46, 30th June 2026
 
Oh dear - again.

14:52 Newquay to London Paddington due 20:23

14:52 Newquay to London Paddington due 20:23 will be started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Newquay, Par, Liskeard and Saltash.

This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376592/32151/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:07, 30th June 2026
Already liked by IndustryInsider
 
Scrutinise all they like on the facts as given by RAIB - otherwise it is speculation of the worst kind

Re: Two East Midlands Railway trains collide near Bedford, 19th June 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [376591/32151/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:57, 30th June 2026
 
Looks like some safety recommendations may have been ignored.......

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/rail-chiefs-refused-new-signals-near-fatal-crash-site/ar-AA26JXuP?ocid=socialshare

Surely not the Telegraph muck-raking? A new signal on the Up Fast on the approach to Bedford South Junction would have been of no relevance to the second train, which was not on the fast line until switched to it at South Junction. At the end of the article, the NR spokesman does point this out.

Some may regard it as muck-raking, others will consider it scrutiny.

It's mud racking, "scrutiny"  by jurno's comes after the real scrutiny by the professional investigators, RAIB and BTP

That's a valid opinion.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [376590/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 14:45, 30th June 2026
 
The 175s weren't meant to replace 158s just yet.


Two months short of two years this thread - feels a very long time
Which 175s have replaced IETs. The over used 150s are covering 175s giving short forms on Paignton-Exmouth (2 today, 2 yesterday). Yesterday I train on Falmouth, shortform on St Ives and two 150s on Newquay.
Something is coming from Wolverton tomorrow to Exeter believed to be a 150. Last week 175004 arrived at Exeter and must be in the shed.

GWR are not interested in the South West. They rebuilt  Exeter Depot with their own money but abandoned extending platform 2

 
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