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| Re: Lifts at Swindon In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377571/32287/18] Posted by grahame at 11:48, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Lifts and anything else will inevitable fail from time to time, or require to be out of service for maintenance work and servicing. Where that is a single point of failure, the rule appears to stipulate that it should have been thought through and a Plan B should be in place:
Carry out a Diversity Impact Assessment – do you have a Plan B in place in case the lift or escalator stops working for any reason? How will disabled passengers continue their journey?
Based on the lack of direction / instruction / information we have seen on this one so far, there has not been a customer friendly "Plan B" in place, or if there has been, NR and GWR have failed to action it. Of course - if "Plan B" were to be "keep as quiet as you can about it and hope it doesn't make the headlines so we don't have to spend on these passengers who are expensive to look after", it could be that they have implemented it - their unfriendly Plan B.
There days, Lisa and I are travelling by train a lot and it's very hard for her to use straights. At Osnabroek and at Beurs we have used the "three lift solution". Where lines cross each other and there are four lifts linking the platforms, a single lift out of action can be replaced by using three. Same would work at places like Berlin Hbf. A lift out of action at Brescia lead to another three lifts being used - rather than rising to the main entrance from the main subway, we went back up to the platform, and along to the secondary subway also fitted with lifts and did a down, across, up there.
We'll be coming back London - Swindon - Melksham next week. It will be interesting to see what advice if any we are offered at Paddington; Swansea or Cardiff trains will be an issue - we know the solution for Bristol and Cheltenham Spe services.
| Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377570/22806/31] Posted by grahame at 11:31, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Stonehenge has been a ticketed attraction for 125 years, with public access kept to a path with barriers.
Not quite sure about the veracity of this statement. I've not been around for 125+ years and can certainly remember clambering over the stones as a youngster.
From English Heritage
Stonehenge first started charging an admission fee in 1901. The then-owner, Sir Edmund Antrobus, erected a wire fence around the ancient monument and charged visitors one shilling (sixpence earlier on by family members) to help stop tourists from damaging and chipping away pieces of the stones for souvenirs.
From The Smithsonian Magazine
They officially stopped allowing people to climb on and touch the stones in 1977
| Re: Learning around Prague In "Introductions and chat" [377569/32290/1] Posted by grahame at 11:23, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Similar, posted on my social media. Questioner asks:
Not just Wiltshire - the whole country. If they can do it, why can't we?
Answer (from me):
Some the UK could do, some they could not. Electrification, good connections to local stations, trains with enough space to do something useful while you travel, ticket cost, afforbable station rents for stores you could. Double deck trains would be much harder with our loading gauge, but modern technology should allow for a further generation of them (things have changed since 1949) which a single level over the wheels with steps up to the first floor and down to the near-ground floor. Modern materials reduce the physical need for a solid straight underframe.
| Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377568/22806/31] Posted by Clan Line at 11:15, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Stonehenge has been a ticketed attraction for 125 years, with public access kept to a path with barriers.
Not quite sure about the veracity of this statement. I've not been around for 125+ years and can certainly remember clambering over the stones as a youngster.
Yes I saw the different ISBN, but wondered whether the content might be pretty similar, or a superset?
Thanks, JohnM.
That's a different book - "Wilts & Berks Canal Revisited", by Doug Small: ISBN 978-0-7524-5146-6.
Doug Small wrote several books, as archivist for the Wilts & Berks Canal Trust.
| Re: Station fire at Paignton. Footbridge? In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377565/32262/24] Posted by REVUpminster at 10:25, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
At the station today just in time for the level crossing to fail up.
The platform no 2 has two temporary entrances in the car park which is closed and only being used by Chief Rentals. The portacabin never materialised and is expected today.
The platform in use is long enough for a five car train and the expected xcountry was terminated at Newton Abbot because of the level crossing failure.
Paignton station 30 July 2026 Two temporay entrances by Robert, on Flickr
Paignton station 30 July 2026 by Robert, on Flickr
Paignton station 30 July 2026 150 in platform by Robert, on Flickr| Re: Call for volunteers - 18th July 2026 - Walkers for Melksham Carnival In "Diary - what's happening when?" [377564/32222/34] Posted by grahame at 10:13, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Really good that Faresaver participated.
Mark
Mark
Indeed - it worked really well for the community and for them. I love these partnership events.
The Melksham News comes out today ... and from the electronic version, here is the Carnival page banner. A further worthwhile marketing publicity.

| Re: Lifts at Swindon In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377563/32287/18] Posted by stuving at 10:08, 30th July 2026 Already liked by grahame | ![]() |
I have asked what the prognosis is for the lift at Swindon and am awaiting an answer.
Thanks, Bob. There are lots of flows that go through those staircases or have to use the lifts if they can't ...
What about people who arrive at Swindon Station by bus / taxi / on a mobility chair and are headed for London?
This is another area of divided responsibility between the TOC and NR. There is a short NR document called "Lifts and Escalators handbook for Franchised Stations" (dated March 2023). Here are a couple of quotes:
Network Rail is responsible for the provision and maintenance of lifts and escalators in stations.
Lifts and escalators can greatly impact passengers as their availability and reliability may mean the difference between a smooth or stressful journey.
In support of Network Rail’s Putting Passengers First programme, we are raising the profile of our lifts and escalator assets and dedicating resource to the improvement of their management to deliver a better experience for our passengers and rail colleagues by:
• delivering a great passenger experience
• enhancing safety
• improving reliability of lifts and escalators
• providing value for money.
To achieve this, we need help from Train Operating Companies (TOCs) who are the Station Facility Owners (SFO) at franchised stations. You are our eyes and ears at these locations on a day-to-day basis. TOC daily checks, regular cleaning and effective reporting are essential to keeping these assets moving, helping to enable us to meet our obligations for repairing and maintenance of lifts and escalators.
Let’s work together for better accessibility at our stations for all our customers and improve the customer experience.
Lifts and escalators can greatly impact passengers as their availability and reliability may mean the difference between a smooth or stressful journey.
In support of Network Rail’s Putting Passengers First programme, we are raising the profile of our lifts and escalator assets and dedicating resource to the improvement of their management to deliver a better experience for our passengers and rail colleagues by:
• delivering a great passenger experience
• enhancing safety
• improving reliability of lifts and escalators
• providing value for money.
To achieve this, we need help from Train Operating Companies (TOCs) who are the Station Facility Owners (SFO) at franchised stations. You are our eyes and ears at these locations on a day-to-day basis. TOC daily checks, regular cleaning and effective reporting are essential to keeping these assets moving, helping to enable us to meet our obligations for repairing and maintenance of lifts and escalators.
Let’s work together for better accessibility at our stations for all our customers and improve the customer experience.
Recommendations
We recommend your organisation considers some of the following to help us work together better:
• Set up lift and escalator working groups – meet regularly to look at periodic lift fault and reporting, and agree how to resolve and prevent future issues
• Carry out a Diversity Impact Assessment – do you have a Plan B in place in case the lift or escalator stops working for any reason? How will disabled passengers continue their journey?
• Access for contractor responding to a fault – establish a line of communication for contractors attending each site and confirm someone will be on site when the contractor arrives
We recommend your organisation considers some of the following to help us work together better:
• Set up lift and escalator working groups – meet regularly to look at periodic lift fault and reporting, and agree how to resolve and prevent future issues
• Carry out a Diversity Impact Assessment – do you have a Plan B in place in case the lift or escalator stops working for any reason? How will disabled passengers continue their journey?
• Access for contractor responding to a fault – establish a line of communication for contractors attending each site and confirm someone will be on site when the contractor arrives
That second bullet point it the only explicit mention of the vital importance of lifts to passengers who can only travel through a station using them. And it is basically passing the buck to the TOCs!
| Re: Getting to the airport - an advert for public transport! In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377562/32285/5] Posted by grahame at 09:48, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Living in the far West, unfortunately mostly it's a car.
Indeed / I can sympathise. Newquay, Exeter, Bristol airports ... none has a rail connection. I still fancy the idea - pink flying elephant time - of the Strawberry line re-opening to Wrington and then extending into an underground station at Lulsgate / Bristol Airport. Four trains an hour - to Cornwall (Falmouth?), to Cardiff via Bristol, to Minehead via Taunton, and to Swindon via Bath Spa.
| Re: Grand Union Canal dries up during drought - ongoing issue and discussion In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377561/30680/51] Posted by Mark A at 09:12, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
It's the Kennet and Avon whose water supply as built was a bit of a joke and whose summit level was very much a joke, but now has a substantial provision of solar powered electrified back-pumping and what a glorious contrast in terms of technology to the lovely but archaic beam engine installation at Crofton. When dry spells coincide with hours of sunshine, solar energy for lifting water via the canal itself must be about as good a fit as is possible, with not even the need for battery storage to bridge the gaps. Even the loss by evaporation will help with humidity, and loss via leakage will find its way into an aquifer.
Mark
At the risk of sounding facetious or cynical. may I suggest that the buses are being cleared out of the way, to allow for Helen and Andy's mass transit system ie trams to be installed ?

Why do the press so often term bus or rail users "commuters" when they're clearly not? Almost as irritating as being called customers!
Agreed. ‘Passenger’ is a much better word, covering every type of user. Perhaps it’s its ubiquity that makes journalists look for a different word, but it is a bit like calling every cat a mouser.
Personal view
- "commuter" is misused / it should be (as it has been in the past) to signify a regular and frequent journey between home and place of work, learning, medical attention, personal business or perhaps between two such places.
- "passenger" is reasonable and logical for anyone using a train or bus
- "customer" is a subset of passenger - it excludes those who are not directly or indirectly paying for their travel. I would include people travelling legitimately on their ENCTS card - indirectly paid and a registered journey that brings an income, but clearly (to me) it does not include fare evaders.
I prefer the term customer - as to me it reminds everyone that these people paying for their travel are the whole reason that the train or bus is running. "Passenger" gives and aura of inconvenience - "I like running this train because it's quiet" is something I have heard said, but "we have very few customers on this train" gives a feeling of alert.
In grahame's excellent collection of books, I found a copy of "Images of England - The Wilts & Berks Canal", compiled by Doug Small.
Second hand copies of that available from a few sellers online. Amazon has what might be an updated version of the same book, not sure, for £15 new:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wilts-Berks-Canal-Revisited-Small/dp/0752451464/
| Re: Getting to the airport - an advert for public transport! In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377557/32285/5] Posted by GBM at 08:01, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
Living in the far West, unfortunately mostly it's a car.
| Re: Getting to the airport - an advert for public transport! In "Buses and other ways to travel" [377556/32285/5] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:58, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
.....but for any of the other airports it's simply too risky, and that's even before thinking about having to carry luggage around.
Do you really believe the public transport options for getting to/from Gatwick Airport are inadequate?
| Re: Potential rail strike over lack of toilets In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377555/32288/51] Posted by GBM at 07:57, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
I also feel for bus drivers though, a different set of circumstances altogether without either of those options, I think it's one of the most undervalued and underpaid jobs there is, especially when compared to train drivers.
So true.
Little provision for bus drivers, and no encouragement from management to do anything about it!
Generally runs of up to 5 and a half hours before a 'meal break'. 5 and a half hours is the legal maximum, so our duties were timed for between 5 and 5 hours thirty!
Legally, if you were late, you must not drive further. Try telling your passengers in the middle of nowhere you are stopping for a 15 minute break!
The problem was you arrived at your half way/return point very late (even more so in summer time), and invariably a large queue of passengers waiting for you. So, keep it in, load up passengers and return.
The quality of toilet provision provided varied between a well used portaloo and OK'ish........
| Learning around Prague In "Introductions and chat" [377554/32290/1] Posted by grahame at 07:55, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
A "spare" afternoon yesterday - based in Prague - and too hot to walk around the city. I took the opportunity to travel on some random trains, keep cool, see the countryside, perhaps meet some of the people, and learn about what works and perhaps does not work here.
Praha Masaykovo n. - Poříčany
Poříčany - Nymburk hl.n
Nymburk hl.n - Usti Nad Labem hl.n
Usti Nad Labem hl.n - Praha hl.n
Pictured
- double deck train to Poříčany
- modern "railbus" on to Nymburk
- train to Usti advertises passenger comfort and low cost
- business-aware seating allowing good use of travel time
- smart branding for a GW train
So many lessons - fast, comfortable, electric trains. A train that pulled out of Poříčany on time - then pulled up along the platform to allow people to connect into it from another train that was just arriving. Passengers to and from Třebestovice - a small 'halt' just out from Poříčany, yet thriving in spite of its closeness to that main station, perhaps because of a reliable hourly service that really connects. The use of really good pricing to encourage people to use the trains. Open stations that are naturaly friendly without barriers, but with ticket checks on all legs. Display screen in trains telling me what the ongoing connections were at intermediate stations. A train manager who let me know that a train was going to reverse at an intermediate station ... so I not be concerned. On time arrival back into Prague, and a call in the supermarket actually located in the station, well stocked at sensible prices, and many, many outlets making the station very much a shopping mall for general use too. And walking / easy access back to the hotel with just one very local access road to cross.





Why do the press so often term bus or rail users "commuters" when they're clearly not? Almost as irritating as being called customers!
Agreed. ‘Passenger’ is a much better word, covering every type of user. Perhaps it’s its ubiquity that makes journalists look for a different word, but it is a bit like calling every cat a mouser.
| Re: Cornish mainline and branch line delays - ongoing discussion In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [377552/28556/25] Posted by GBM at 07:46, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G15387/2026-07-30/detailed#allox_id=0
2N02 0707 Par to Newquay
175007 coupled to 175114
| Re: Rail passenger numbers and crowding published In "Across the West" [377551/32283/26] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:48, 30th July 2026 | ![]() |
It is perhaps encouraging to note that the Secretary of State for Transport, Heidi Alexander, has herself experienced some degree of overcrowding, on GWR trains between Swindon and London Paddington:
From the BBC:
'I've sat on train floors' - transport secretary

The transport secretary has said she has sat on the floors of overcrowded trains as she vowed to improve the rail network.
When asked about delays and overcrowding on the railways, Heidi Alexander told BBC Radio Wiltshire: "I've had this problem myself to be honest. I am on trains a lot and I've sat on the floor on a couple of occasions," the South Swindon MP added. "As Secretary of State, I've sat on the floor on a Great Western train from Paddington to Swindon."
(BBC article continues)

The transport secretary has said she has sat on the floors of overcrowded trains as she vowed to improve the rail network.
When asked about delays and overcrowding on the railways, Heidi Alexander told BBC Radio Wiltshire: "I've had this problem myself to be honest. I am on trains a lot and I've sat on the floor on a couple of occasions," the South Swindon MP added. "As Secretary of State, I've sat on the floor on a Great Western train from Paddington to Swindon."
(BBC article continues)
| Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [377549/22806/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:00, 29th July 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Stonehenge circle to be opened up for rare visits

One paying visitor or group will be chosen to enter the site's inner circle every day in August - Image © English Heritage
Most people see Stonehenge from behind a barrier, but this summer a select few visitors will be able to stand within the stones for no extra cost.
English Heritage has said it will choose one booking at random every day in August to get private entry into the site's inner stone circle.
Exclusive close-up access to Stonehenge is usually only given to presidents, celebrities, or visitors paying for premium guided tours. The stones can also be accessed for free during winter and summer solstice - albeit with thousands of other people.
Interim head of Stonehenge Georgia Butters said being alone inside the monument would allow visitors to see "delicate carvings". She added people would also be able to see "really rare lichen" - a mix of algae and fungi which grow on the stones and make them look like they have developed a hairy coat.
Stonehenge has been a ticketed attraction for 125 years, with public access kept to a path with barriers.
"Usually people can get within a few metres of the outer circle but we can't run it too close because there's really fragile archaeology," Butters said. However, anyone who is picked in the daily August draw will be given access to the inner circle.
"There's a certain stillness and tranquility about that space," Butters said. "It's sort of mind-blowing and puts you right back in touch with our ancestors."
(BBC article continues)

One paying visitor or group will be chosen to enter the site's inner circle every day in August - Image © English Heritage
Most people see Stonehenge from behind a barrier, but this summer a select few visitors will be able to stand within the stones for no extra cost.
English Heritage has said it will choose one booking at random every day in August to get private entry into the site's inner stone circle.
Exclusive close-up access to Stonehenge is usually only given to presidents, celebrities, or visitors paying for premium guided tours. The stones can also be accessed for free during winter and summer solstice - albeit with thousands of other people.
Interim head of Stonehenge Georgia Butters said being alone inside the monument would allow visitors to see "delicate carvings". She added people would also be able to see "really rare lichen" - a mix of algae and fungi which grow on the stones and make them look like they have developed a hairy coat.
Stonehenge has been a ticketed attraction for 125 years, with public access kept to a path with barriers.
"Usually people can get within a few metres of the outer circle but we can't run it too close because there's really fragile archaeology," Butters said. However, anyone who is picked in the daily August draw will be given access to the inner circle.
"There's a certain stillness and tranquility about that space," Butters said. "It's sort of mind-blowing and puts you right back in touch with our ancestors."
(BBC article continues)
| Re: Potential rail strike over lack of toilets In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377548/32288/51] Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:53, 29th July 2026 Already liked by GBM, Mark A | ![]() |
They don't want to sit on train loos basically. elitist clap-trap....
**SNIP**
Sort of occurred to me - can they not use the loos on the train when they stop at a station, or indeed the loos at a station itself?
*SNIP**
Sort of occurred to me - can they not use the loos on the train when they stop at a station, or indeed the loos at a station itself?
*SNIP**
The issue with that could be if there's pressure on time. Sods law leans towards the train loo turning out to be the UK's most occupied toilet / is out of order / the type of train is provided with only one loo etc.
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here. Staff do use toilets on the train and at stations where available, and if it's their recognised PNB (Physical Needs Break) then they will almost certainly have access to staff toilets of some sort.
I see the article TG linked to as basically ASLEF saying that a lot of companies agreed to the Welfare Facilities Charter which promised action by late this year, but in some cases very little improvement has been made, so they need to buck their ideas up. More detail here: https://aslef.org.uk/news/aslef-win-train-drivers-will-finally-have-access-toilets-work
The issue largely applies to freight train drivers who don't have access to a toilet on the train - or perhaps I'm wrong and ChrisB can let me know where to find the train loo on a freight train? - and may work long periods where there is simply no access to a proper toilet. But there are also some passenger operators that could make improvements.
The Guardian article TG linked to then goes on to rather randomly quote a couple of examples of completely unrelated industrial action on the railways, before rightly drawing attention to the similar issues that bus, coach and lorry drivers face as well.
In grahame's excellent collection of books, I found a copy of "Images of England - The Wilts & Berks Canal", compiled by Doug Small.
ISBN 0-7524-1619-7 Published in 1999, 128 pages.
I am reading through it: it's absolutely fascinating.
CfN.

| Re: Lifts at Swindon In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377546/32287/18] Posted by grahame at 20:30, 29th July 2026 | ![]() |
I have asked what the prognosis is for the lift at Swindon and am awaiting an answer.
Thanks, Bob. There are lots of flows that go through those staircases or have to use the lifts if they can't ...
What about people who arrive at Swindon Station by bus / taxi / on a mobility chair and are headed for London?
I have now amended (again) the date on our Coffee Shop forum calendar.

CfN.

| Re: Can I Break My Journey at Weston-super-Mare? In "Fare's Fair" [377544/32282/4] Posted by stuving at 19:42, 29th July 2026 | ![]() |
[snip] ... Note that if you travel outbound on a via Taunton ticket, you need to come back the same way - you can't drop back to the cheaper route via Trowbridge.
The Man in Seat 61 gives an example that appears to cover this with a journey between Reading and Exeter(?) for which there are only two routes given - via Taunton or via Honiton (there is no 'via any permitted route') - one is more expensive than the other - can't remember which. Having bought the most expensive route return, when travelling back via the cheaper route and not via that place on the ticket, he suggests that the passenger asks for an excess fare ticket to be issued, and the person issuing it would find that its price is zero.
That should not be necessary. Where there are alternative fares for the same journey with different "via" routeings, a more expensive fare is always valid by any cheaper routes. As the instructions document to the Routeing Guide puts it:
Where the fare specifies a particular route, there will be restrictions in the fare routes data that will affect thee routes listed in the Guide which pass through the station shown in the route description... Where there are other permitted routes, these may also be used for the same journey provided the same or a lower fare applies
In some cases the tickets make this clear. The most expensive ticket is likely to be marked "valid via any permitted route". This is the case for the GWR-priced ticket from Wokingham to London that is valid via Reading. The cheapest ticket for this journey is marked "valid only via Staines", as it can't be used on any other route.
There is another fare in between those two, via Guildford. This route's short name is "Ascot/Guildford", which is confusing. As I've never bought one I don't know how the tickets are marked. However, the TVM information for the Ascot/Guildford option on the selector page says: "valid only for travel via (changing trains or passing through) Ascot or Guildford". Given the ticket has space for just oner line of routeing text, I imagine that would be "valid only via Ascot or Guildford".
As far as I know it is permitted to travel on a train with a ticket for the right journey by the wrong route. You just have to pay the relevant excess fare if asked to to so. However, the NCoT (and NCoC before that) doesn't really address the point. The bit about excess fares in the 2013 NCoC related to travel not by a permitted route at all, and in the current NCoC even that's not present. What is there mixes up a ticket being valid for your journey with being valid on the service used - so explicitly missing exactly the point in question!
In such cases, if your Ticket is not valid for the journey you intend to take, you must, before you commence your travel, either purchase a new Ticket or, (where the terms and conditions of the Ticket you hold allow), exchange or excess it for a ticket that is valid for the service you wish to use
| Re: Lifts at Swindon In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [377543/32287/18] Posted by bobm at 19:14, 29th July 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
That lift has been problematic for a few weeks but in recent days it seems to have suffered a fault which needs a more permanent repair.
I am aware of one person who arrived at Swindon for a TransWilts service and needed the lift. They were put on a train from platform 4 (which has both a lift and level access) to Chippenham where they could change onto the following TW train a few minutes later. Not sure what would have happened if they had arrived closer to the TW departure time.
I understand the favoured option for people heading east is to stay on the train to Reading. There is level access to platform 1 at Didcot Parkway but it involves going through the gateline and out into the car park to get there. There is no lift for platform 1. There is also a more frequent service from Reading back to Swindon - although of course don't catch one to Cheltenham Spa!
I have asked what the prognosis is for the lift at Swindon and am awaiting an answer.
| Re: Potential rail strike over lack of toilets In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377542/32288/51] Posted by Mark A at 19:10, 29th July 2026 | ![]() |
**SNIP**
Sort of occurred to me - can they not use the loos on the train when they stop at a station, or indeed the loos at a station itself?
*SNIP**
Sort of occurred to me - can they not use the loos on the train when they stop at a station, or indeed the loos at a station itself?
*SNIP**
The issue with that could be if there's pressure on time. Sods law leans towards the train loo turning out to be the UK's most occupied toilet / is out of order / the type of train is provided with only one loo etc.
Mark














